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icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-08 03:36:49
May 14 2014 12:57 GMT
#1
I'm an avid better of items of dota myself (mah rares!) and the lack of thread/place for me to discuss gave me the initiative to create one.

There is only one site I bet and it's dota2lounge (www.dota2lounge.com)

Here's a video on how to bet in dota2lounge



it's easy as a point-blank arrow

afaik, you can only bet commons, uncommons, rares and keys.
auspicious-tagged items can't be placed and you can only bet 4 items at a given time.


IN CASE YOU GET MAD BECAUSE YOU LOST YOUR ITEMS, PLEASE DIRECT IT TO THE QQ THREAD

Let's use this thread to discuss bets related topics. If you have more betting (items-only) sites then feel free to share.

Tip:
-When you win, you don't have to retrieve your winnings right away. You can bet them again in other matches without the hassle of trading with bots. There is a limit on how many items dota2lounge can keep for you though.

-Taking Length of series into account:

On September 08 2014 09:41 motbob wrote:
If you bet regularly on Dota2lounge, you are probably familiar with the fact that you need to take the length of a series into account. As the series gets longer, you should be willing to take odds that are more skewed towards the favorite. An example: today there was a match between Empire and Alliance. Empire has looked significantly better than Alliance recently, so the 60/40 odds look off at first glance... until you realize the match is a Bo1. OK, that's fine, Bo1 games are pretty high variance. The odds would probably be something like 65/35 if it were a Bo3.

But I worked out something interesting regarding the so-called "best of two" format where teams teams play two games (with the potential of a 1-1 tie). It turns out that, on Dota2lounge, you should treat Bo2 matches the same as a Bo5 for betting purposes. The favored team is about as likely to win you rares in a Bo2 as it would be to win a Bo5. Here's the math comparing a Bo3 and a Bo2:

Let's say Team A has a 60% chance of beating Team B in a given game.

In a Bo2, Team A has a .6*.6=.36 chance of going 2-0, while Team B has a .4*.4=.16 chance. The chance of a 1-1 is 0.6*0.4*2=0.48, but Dota2lounge returns your items in the case of a tie, so we need to focus only on the two cases where a team goes 2-0. Items are won/lost 52% of the time (.36+.16), and Team A goes 2-0 36% of the time, so we just take 36%/52%=0.69 to find out the proper odds for betting on Team A (69/31).

In a Bo3, Team A has a .36 chance of going 2-0. As mentioned above, the chance of a 1-1 is 0.48, and Team A has a 60% chance of winning the third game, so the chance of Team A winning in three games is .48*.6=0.288. Since either going 2-0 or winning the third game are the only two ways Team A can win the series, we add .36 and .288 to get the chance of Team A winning the series (0.65, so the proper odds for a Bo3 are 65/35).

69% for a Bo2 vs 65% for a Bo3. I won't do the math here, but the chance of Team A winning a Bo5 against Team B is also about 69%.

If you take issue with my math, I will be happy to defend it to the death in the thread below.



I'll update this thread in the future with more info.

6/3/2014 edit: You can now bet mythicals, legendaries and immortals

9/8/2014 edit: Added a bit of motbob's tips in betting regarding length of the series
LiquidDota StaffAre you ready for a Miracle-? We are! The International 2017 Champions!
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-14 13:02:18
May 14 2014 12:58 GMT
#2
Poll: Have you ever participated in PhoneSecks?

WTF IS PHONESACKS? (30)
 
19%

With random broads I meet over the internet. (25)
 
15%

Yes, only with the whores that I paid 2$ min. (22)
 
14%

Only with my girlfriend! (22)
 
14%

Only for pretend. (22)
 
14%

With good friends in real life (21)
 
13%

With my mom, and OBNLY my MOM! (20)
 
12%

162 total votes

Your vote: Have you ever participated in PhoneSecks?

(Vote): Yes, only with the whores that I paid 2$ min.
(Vote): Only with my girlfriend!
(Vote): With random broads I meet over the internet.
(Vote): With good friends in real life
(Vote): Only for pretend.
(Vote): With my mom, and OBNLY my MOM!
(Vote): WTF IS PHONESACKS?




currently 53% (NAR) 47% (LIQUID)
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Potential reward:

FOR NAR
Rares
0.8 for 1
1.6 for 2
2.4 for 3
3.2 for 4

Uncommons
0.9 for 1
1.9 for 2
2.9 for 3
3.8 for 4

Commons
0.9 for 1
1.9 for 2
2.9 for 3
3.9 for 4

Keys
0.6 for 1
1.3 for 2
2 for 3
2.6 for 4


FOR LIQUID
Commons
1 for 1
2 for 2
3.1 for 3
4.1 for 4

Uncommons
1 for 1
2 for 2
3.1 for 3
4.1 for 4

Rares
1.2 for 1
2.4 for 2
3.7 for 3
4.9 for 4

Keys
1.4 for 1
2.8 for 2
4.2 for 3
5.6 for 4


Poll: Do you think polls are being overused?

I don't care go away (29)
 
19%

YES!!!!1111 Polls make jesus cry (27)
 
18%

Yes, but you're still a retard (23)
 
15%

LOL poll about poll ROOFLES (23)
 
15%

No, i love polls(and crayons) (21)
 
14%

You're a retard (17)
 
11%

No, but you're still a retard (11)
 
7%

151 total votes

Your vote: Do you think polls are being overused?

(Vote): YES!!!!1111 Polls make jesus cry
(Vote): Yes, but you're still a retard
(Vote): LOL poll about poll ROOFLES
(Vote): I don't care go away
(Vote): No, i love polls(and crayons)
(Vote): No, but you're still a retard
(Vote): You're a retard


currently 75% (SNA) 25% (UG)
+ Show Spoiler +
Potential reward:

FOR SNA
Rares
0.3 for 1
0.5 for 2
0.8 for 3
1.1 for 4
Uncommons
0.3 for 1
0.7 for 2
1 for 3
1.3 for 4
Commons
0.4 for 1
0.8 for 2
1.2 for 3
1.6 for 4
Keys
0.3 for 1
0.6 for 2
0.9 for 3
1.2 for 4

FOR UG
Commons
2.5 for 1
5 for 2
7.5 for 3
10 for 4
Uncommons
2.9 for 1
5.8 for 2
8.7 for 3
11.6 for 4
Rares
3.5 for 1
7 for 2
10.6 for 3
14.1 for 4
Keys
3.1 for 1
6.3 for 2
9.4 for 3
12.5 for 4
LiquidDota StaffAre you ready for a Miracle-? We are! The International 2017 Champions!
Steelavocado
Profile Joined May 2010
United States2123 Posts
June 03 2014 08:47 GMT
#3
I would like to see this get some traction, you have my support
MIRACLE IS YOUR TI7 CHAMP
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
June 03 2014 08:50 GMT
#4
hm, i think d2lounge now accepts mythicals etc? imma update it when i get home
LiquidDota StaffAre you ready for a Miracle-? We are! The International 2017 Champions!
Steelavocado
Profile Joined May 2010
United States2123 Posts
June 03 2014 08:53 GMT
#5
Wow a quick response by op on a 2 week old post. Anyways I will update/participate tomorrow, about to pass out.
MIRACLE IS YOUR TI7 CHAMP
Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4553 Posts
June 03 2014 11:08 GMT
#6
Yeah you can bet almost everything now, there is an epic screenshot of someone betting 4 arcanas on PR vs EG and getting an insane return.
TheRubicon
Profile Joined February 2013
United States1342 Posts
June 03 2014 11:22 GMT
#7
ye, i saw that screenshot. i missed the betting cutline due to playing csgo , at least i got in on the navi throw vs rox

pokerface vs ZL is my next big bet... but its gonna be a good fight
Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4553 Posts
June 03 2014 11:40 GMT
#8
Liquid has 23% odds vs Mouz, thoughts?
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
June 03 2014 11:42 GMT
#9
if you guys want to discuss a certain matchup (whether to bet on team a or b), just post it here, there might be some gossip or info about the match that may sway odds to your favor
LiquidDota StaffAre you ready for a Miracle-? We are! The International 2017 Champions!
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
June 03 2014 11:44 GMT
#10
On June 03 2014 20:40 Laurens wrote:
Liquid has 23% odds vs Mouz, thoughts?

depends on the server. isnt mouz bootcamping in EU atm? it'd be pretty stupid having to play a game in eu when its AMERICAN dota league
LiquidDota StaffAre you ready for a Miracle-? We are! The International 2017 Champions!
TheRubicon
Profile Joined February 2013
United States1342 Posts
June 03 2014 11:47 GMT
#11
mouz has better cohesion overall, so unless tl can come with some niche strat, it should goto mouz. that bounty hunter series showed how strong mouz is, i mean they picked a roaming bh for pajkatt and almost won. upsets do happen, but i think ill just refrain from this one
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
June 03 2014 12:16 GMT
#12
i think TL has a shot against mouz with server advantage. i know NAR lost with the same advantage, but TL might upset with those odds.
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
June 03 2014 13:34 GMT
#13
PR vs Empire

22%-78%

pretty nice underdog bet for PR

although past encounters between pr and empire goes to empire (9 wins, 1draw, 1 loss against pr), both teams in a roll and we know that PR can upset top teams

http://www.gosugamers.net/dota2/tournaments/3711-dota-2-champions-league-3/998-playoffs/3714-playoffs/matches/45170-esfxtv-powerrangers-vs-team-empire-dota2
LiquidDota StaffAre you ready for a Miracle-? We are! The International 2017 Champions!
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
June 03 2014 13:36 GMT
#14
it's a BO5 though, lower chance for an upset. i'm probably not gonna bet there haha
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
June 03 2014 13:37 GMT
#15
wow didn't notice that. nice catch lol
LiquidDota StaffAre you ready for a Miracle-? We are! The International 2017 Champions!
Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4553 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-03 13:44:14
June 03 2014 13:43 GMT
#16
How do you guys bet by the way? I'm pretty attached to my hats, so I only use duplicates atm (I have loads), my gains aren't spectacular.

Do you guys just repeatedly throw high value items at bets or do you have a 'strategy'?
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
June 03 2014 14:20 GMT
#17
well, no risk no reward
LiquidDota StaffAre you ready for a Miracle-? We are! The International 2017 Champions!
Loanshark
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
China3094 Posts
June 03 2014 14:27 GMT
#18
Never really bet with any of my rares in Dota, I mostly just sold them to get other items I wanted. Now that I'm getting back into the game, I may start betting if I find a few rares.
No dough, no go. And no mercy.
TheRubicon
Profile Joined February 2013
United States1342 Posts
June 03 2014 15:35 GMT
#19
mostly with keys, every now and then i bet a bloom bounty box :o
EmilA
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark4618 Posts
June 03 2014 16:17 GMT
#20
I bet small value on PR, 18 vs 82 seems LUDICROUS for PR lol.

Just threw away my highest value item (a $2 HUD lol) on the Pokerface vs ZL match. Damn, bad call Emil.
http://dotabuff.com/players/122305951 playing other games
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