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On October 24 2012 23:45 theqat wrote:
TA is a dumb hero. There are heroes that hard counter other heroes, heroes that are tough to mid against, all sorts of bad matchups, etc. etc. But there are no other heroes that hard counter not having a DOT. Literally any hero with no DOT ability is completely worthless against a good TA. Playing SD and your only possible good team comp had no good DOTs? Welp, gg.
Luckily the game isn't balanced around randoming.
Find TA such a menace? Pick a dot hero simple
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doesn't urn damage eat refraction charges? early game laning might be tough, but the core idea is that if TA is gone ganking just stay mid and get all the free gold and xp. The only problem is when idiots try to hug the enemy tower despite enemy heroes missing, but that can feed any hero, not just TA. Any hero with a huge amount of early kills is dangerous, even that squishy CM or wisp.
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Just got flamed for going safe lane with Void, because clearly the lastpick random Luna should go there. Yeah, would have loved to see her against the BS/CM lane. ^^
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i don't really get all the qq about ta, just pick fuckin huskar or bat rider and rape her. if you still get beat, then it's not the hero
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Man just played a game with a friend of mine and 3 randoms. We decide to do a trilane with a morph and we manage to get like 5 kills to morph in laning phase.
We also dominated midgame and we could have finished it easily by around 30-35 minute mark.
But morphling refused to push until he had ALL slots filled with items and could solo kill the whole enemy team.
Game went over 50 minutes. I hate it when people don't finish clearly decided games because they need to get every item -.-
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On October 25 2012 02:32 Kabras wrote:
i don't really get all the qq about ta, just pick fuckin huskar or bat rider and rape her. if you still get beat, then it's not the hero
Because there is literally no counter to her, with the exception of heroes with dots. You don't want to play a hero with dot? Well too bad, you've lost the game. Not everyone wants to play venomancer just to be able to take a game from TA.
She doesn't require any skills to play well either. Simply put, she's a very boring hero to play against.
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On October 25 2012 01:25 akatama wrote:
doesn't urn damage eat refraction charges? early game laning might be tough, but the core idea is that if TA is gone ganking just stay mid and get all the free gold and xp. The only problem is when idiots try to hug the enemy tower despite enemy heroes missing, but that can feed any hero, not just TA. Any hero with a huge amount of early kills is dangerous, even that squishy CM or wisp.
Nope. Health removal (of which Urn is a type of) goes through refraction without removing any charges.
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all russian team, 10-1 in 10 minutes, BH 0-4.....cant wait for a couple of hours and go on NAE server
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On October 25 2012 01:25 akatama wrote:
doesn't urn damage eat refraction charges? early game laning might be tough, but the core idea is that if TA is gone ganking just stay mid and get all the free gold and xp. The only problem is when idiots try to hug the enemy tower despite enemy heroes missing, but that can feed any hero, not just TA. Any hero with a huge amount of early kills is dangerous, even that squishy CM or wisp.
Afaik urn is direct hp removal, which doesn't chew through refraction charges. Don't quote me on that one.
E. too slow anyway.
I just had a really 'weird' match. Our solomid Pudge was 0-5 after 10 minutes. Nothing turned out good from that point on and we got rolled withing the next 15 minutes.
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On October 25 2012 02:38 Excludos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 02:32 Kabras wrote:
i don't really get all the qq about ta, just pick fuckin huskar or bat rider and rape her. if you still get beat, then it's not the hero Because there is literally no counter to her, with the exception of heroes with dots. You don't want to play a hero with dot? Well too bad, you've lost the game. Not everyone wants to play venomancer just to be able to take a game from TA. She doesn't require any skills to play well either. Simply put, she's a very boring hero to play against.
yea well sorry, this isn't the game of counters lol. it's a 5v5 and some heroes are tough to deal with without some teamwork or other things like dust and wards n shit. she is a very strong mid but she's entirely reliant on refraction and her mana pool is shit. try to deny her runes, you'll hurt her a lot more than you'd imagine. also, always watch her mana pool and only act when it's low. QOP's very good in that respect for example (+ she has dot as well) and you can't say qop isn't fun to play. personally i played vs TA mid a ton of times and didn't lose nearly as much. i feel like most mid heroes can hold their own against her, but patience, good positioning and constantly checking her items and mana pool are quite important. If anything, it's harder to play against since you need to do more stuff while last hitting and watching minimap, but saying you need dot to beat her is a very narrow way of looking at it.
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On October 24 2012 22:53 Firebolt145 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 22:46 Gentso wrote:
So in regards to matchmaking... I've always played DOTA2 exclusively with friends, and I've been one of those people to complain about teammates. I've started solo queu'ing and my games have actually been enjoyable. The skill bracket I play in when I solo queue is much, much higher than when I queue with friends. Therefore, I believe that matchmaking intentionally puts you with lower skilled players when you're queuing with friends. Valve used to match stacks of people against people around the average MMR of your stack. But they found that they achieved much better balance by skewing it towards the MMR of the best player in your stack.
Well that would explain why the people I party with usually lose their lanes hard...
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shadow shaman forced to go against sf solo mid thanks to 4 melee carry picks...sad day for me
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On October 25 2012 03:51 hmsrenown wrote:
shadow shaman forced to go against sf solo mid thanks to 4 melee carry picks...sad day for me
Thats not even bad, lol.
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On October 25 2012 03:13 Kabras wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 02:38 Excludos wrote:On October 25 2012 02:32 Kabras wrote:
i don't really get all the qq about ta, just pick fuckin huskar or bat rider and rape her. if you still get beat, then it's not the hero Because there is literally no counter to her, with the exception of heroes with dots. You don't want to play a hero with dot? Well too bad, you've lost the game. Not everyone wants to play venomancer just to be able to take a game from TA. She doesn't require any skills to play well either. Simply put, she's a very boring hero to play against. yea well sorry, this isn't the game of counters lol. it's a 5v5 and some heroes are tough to deal with without some teamwork or other things like dust and wards n shit. she is a very strong mid but she's entirely reliant on refraction and her mana pool is shit. try to deny her runes, you'll hurt her a lot more than you'd imagine. also, always watch her mana pool and only act when it's low. QOP's very good in that respect for example (+ she has dot as well) and you can't say qop isn't fun to play. personally i played vs TA mid a ton of times and didn't lose nearly as much. i feel like most mid heroes can hold their own against her, but patience, good positioning and constantly checking her items and mana pool are quite important. If anything, it's harder to play against since you need to do more stuff while last hitting and watching minimap, but saying you need dot to beat her is a very narrow way of looking at it.
And yet, here we are. With a hero that requires a counter..
Denying runes is well and fine, but can also be largely dependant on luck (doubly so in pubs where wards are never bough, and if you run to one rune spot and TA to the other, you have a 50% chance of getting it..or in my personal experience, 5% chance. Not to mention a good TA will just fly the bottle back to base and refill it that way.
Yes, QoP holds her oen very nicely against TA in mid, so does a lot of other heroes. Thats not actually where the problem arises. The problem comes from TA being able to run around with a massive slow, with literally infinite range, and being able to dish out a metric fuckton of damage without any items whatsoever. This isn't a game of counter, and yet this hero forces you to have one.
Even puppey thinks she's a boring hero (from Talkdota, yesterday). He'll pick her, and she's ok to play. But playing against her is shit.
Let me just reemphasize the 2 biggest problems with TA:
In pubs, YOU need to pick a counter to TA. No one else will, and if you don't get mid (someone picking invoker and yells "mid or feed!" first second of the game), you're heropool is going to get incredibly small.
In captains mode, she limits your strategy pools immensely by either forcing you to take certain mid heroes (which can be tough, as a team who picks TA will usually ban a lot of those heroes, like QoP, early on), or pick venomancer (if you have a player who can play pudge, its christmas! For everyone else, tough luck). Neither of these picks will make you lose automatically, but just the fact that you're forced to respond in a certain way limits your choice insanely.
When I play captains mode, TA is always my first ban. I just cant stand playing against her, and watch her rip the team apart with nothing but blink and boots.
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On October 24 2012 22:53 Velr wrote:
It's not "bad"... Just pretty often you got 1 guy that clearly does not belong in the game he finds himself in (be it because he's damn good or damn bad).
Just played against a team of very decent people, but that didn't matter couse when i finished Armlet and almost got BKB their morph had 2 slippers of agility and basic boots. Game tried to balance that by giving us our Gyro, but he wasn't nearly as bad as their "worst mmr player".
And about TA - i stoped having problems with her after i started to give some love to Bane.
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i don't want to go into this more than i have to, i think i was clear enough. we obviously have different views on how to play the game entirely. Puppey thinking she's boring to play doesn't equate to him or any other pro for that matter thinking she needs a counter so idk why you mentioned that. i don't think TA forces a response more than any other strong hero does and i'll gladly play invoker vs her any day. QOP, Huskar, Pudge, Batrider are more direct counters that easily deal with refraction but they're by no means the only ways to beat her mid. Having no dot takes more awareness, attention and patience like i mentioned in the previous post, but it's not like you insta lost the lane by any stretch. anyways, i'm starting to repeat myself and i don't like it at all. All i know is that i play a ton of dota, played vs TA mid with a lot of heroes and i really don't remember ever getting raped because TA's op and my hero didn't straight up countered her. Everything else is just my personal experience and thought process when facing her.
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Pretty much everything that makes TA problematic is DotA 2 engine-specific.
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I'm bad at this game
I wanna be all pro, get last hits, communicate and be awesome
but the truth is that I'm awful and whenever I get a really good score as a Carry is when I'm playing vs even worse players
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On October 25 2012 05:28 TheYango wrote:
Pretty much everything that makes TA problematic is DotA 2 engine-specific.
yeap...
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On October 24 2012 23:45 theqat wrote:
TA is a dumb hero. There are heroes that hard counter other heroes, heroes that are tough to mid against, all sorts of bad matchups, etc. etc. But there are no other heroes that hard counter not having a DOT. Literally any hero with no DOT ability is completely worthless against a good TA. Playing SD and your only possible good team comp had no good DOTs? Welp, gg.
What about Phantom Lancer? He hard counters anything without heavy area damage. Way more annoying than TA imo. and TA cant A-move down a lane and get two towers in the average pub.
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