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Belisarius
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I still think Underlord offlane should start E. W isn't going to keep you alive reliably and his lane pressure is so important. I'm pretty sure offlane doom still wants iron talon. The item is and remains stupid on any hero that hits creeps. Arc mid needs some kind of midgame regen, either salve/mango or bottle or any combination thereof. | ||
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On September 13 2016 15:21 Belisarius wrote: I would strongly recommend a point in X at 3 or 4 for mid kunkka. All he needs for a freekill on like half the heroes in the game is X and a support that stumbles drunkenly into the lane. I still think Underlord offlane should start E. W isn't going to keep you alive reliably and his lane pressure is so important. I'm pretty sure offlane doom still wants iron talon. The item is and remains stupid on any hero that hits creeps. Arc mid needs some kind of midgame regen, either salve/mango or bottle or any combination thereof.  Ok at 4Underlord: Right now the choices are: Lvl 1: W Lvl 2: W Skip W al'together They all have their merits, so it's difficult to gauge a standard expectancy of when to level it. Arc Warden: Okay on Bottle, I will remove Aquila. | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
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roaming underlord probably wants to go 241 and laning underlord probably wants to go 421 all into 441 i dont think leveling e past 1 before 441 is ever really good not sure about early levels but you probably definitely want at least one point in root by 4 | ||
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Belisarius
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That said, I personally prefer salve/mango as needed since it's cheaper and does much the same thing. I think EWQQQ is the build for offlane underlord. Also unrelated but I think you should consider switching pudge to a support. It's by far his most stable position and it seems like most of the mid or feed publords are using other guides anyway. | ||
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On September 13 2016 16:04 Belisarius wrote: Arc is perfectly happy to have both bottle and aquila. It's not an either-or. His consumable abuse is too good to not do something with it, and aquila is very good for his laning. That said, I personally prefer salve/mango as needed since it's cheaper and does much the same thing. I think EWQQQ is the build for offlane underlord. Also unrelated but I think you should consider switching pudge to a support. It's by far his most stable position and it seems like most of the mid or feed publords are using other guides anyway. Arc Warden: I can add Salve/Mango to a Utility Items tab if it fits (I think there isn't any room) Underlord: Ok  If you mean roaming support, I can do it once I don't feel so personally annoyed when my team picks it. It may be awhile. | ||
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Belisarius
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Roaming pudge is far less rage-inducing than mid pudge, so I don't see the problem there. If he can't hook he can still run around, rot/ult things and generally scare them as a 4pos. If he's mid instead you basically just lose the game unless he's 8-0 at 10:00. | ||
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On September 13 2016 19:17 Belisarius wrote: I think bottle or salve+mango, maybe bottle+mango are all fine. I don't think you get bottle every game, sometimes salve+mango is enough. Roaming pudge is far less rage-inducing than mid pudge, so I don't see the problem there. If he can't hook he can still run around, rot/ult things and generally scare them as a 4pos. If he's mid instead you basically just lose the game unless he's 8-0 at 10:00. : Arc Warden: It's under utility items, should be fine. : Biggest problem at lower levels with a roaming Pudge is they're inefficient. They don't get their kills, they don't ward and they don't follow-through on keeping up in levels. At least with a Mid Pudge, we guarantee two things:1. Levels 2. Possibility of target (with combined efforts from roaming supports). I understand the popularity of Roaming Pudge. I am not ready to push him in that direction. | ||
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Earthshaker starting items Chaos Knight core items Enchantress Core Items Legion Commander - Jungle + Core Starting Items | ||
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Velzi
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Is it intended CK doesnt have more regen in starting items? Current build uses only 450g. Core seems fine, Echo Saber is something u have to consider, Also there are no satanic mentioned anywhere which i personally prefer. HotD is pretty nice farming item overall if u dont have other ways to regen, even without heavily abusing ancient stacking. OD skills have infinite debate whether to max q or e first, if u are lucky go ahead and take q, but if u are like me and get 11 non-procs in row, dont. Usually WEEQQREE for me i think. | ||
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On September 16 2016 18:35 Velzi wrote: I'm in love with the supports starting with Wind Lace but its a bit tricky because u cant go Courier 2xWards Wind Lace Clarity Tangoes, u have to skip something in order to get Wind Lace+ Regen. Is it intended CK doesnt have more regen in starting items? Current build uses only 450g. Core seems fine, Echo Saber is something u have to consider, Also there are no satanic mentioned anywhere which i personally prefer. HotD is pretty nice farming item overall if u dont have other ways to regen, even without heavily abusing ancient stacking. OD skills have infinite debate whether to max q or e first, if u are lucky go ahead and take q, but if u are like me and get 11 non-procs in row, dont. Usually WEEQQREE for me i think. Depends on the hero where it really matters and doesn't. We could add more regen, but is it necessarY? I can add Echo Sabre to Situational Items I prefer to just keep it at Heart for the illusions. I will add Vlad's to Situational Items ok | ||
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Added Healing Salve to Starting Items Added Lotus Orb to Situational Items Moved Drum of Endurance to Core Items Moved Solar Crest to Situational Items Moved Pipe of Insight to Extension Items Removed Iron Branch Removed Soul Ring Arc Warden (Core/Safe) Created New Tab: "Early Game" Added Boots of Speed to "Early Game" Added Maelstrom to Core Items Added Monkey King Bar to Extension Items Moved Hand of Midas to "Early Game" Moved Ring of Aquila to "Early Game" Moved Silver Edge to Situational Items Moved Black King Bar to Extension Items Removed Desolator Removed Eye of Skadi Arc Warden (Core/Mid) Created New Tab: "Early Game" Created New Tab: "Utility Items" Added Boots of Speed to "Early Game" Added Healing Salve to "Utility Items" Added Enchanted Mango to "Utility Items" Added Maelstrom to Core Items Added Monkey King Bar to Extension Items Moved Hand of Midas to "Early Game" Moved Ring of Aquila to "Early Game" Moved Silver Edge to Situational Items Moved Black King Bar to Extension Items Removed Ring of Aquila Removed Desolator Removed Eye of Skadi  Doom (Jungle)Added Drum of Endurance to Core Items Added Silver Edge to Situational Items Added Crimson Guard to Situational Items Added Pipe of Insight to Situational Items Added Lotus Orb to Situational Items Added Assault Cuirass to Extension Items Moved Iron Talon to Core Items Moved Mekansm to Extension Items Removed Stout Shield Removed Ring of Protection Removed Wind Lace Removed Arcane Boots Removed Mekansm Removed Blood Mail Removed Refresher Doom (Offlane)Added Crimson Guard to Situational Items Added Pipe of Insight to Situational Items Added Lotus Orb to Situational Items Added Assault Cuirass to Extension Items Removed Iron Talon Removed Magic Wand Removed Wind Lace Removed Blade Mail Removed Refresher Kunkka (Core)New Skill Build: W Q W E W R W Q Q Q R E E E R (1. Tidebringer 2. Torrent 3. X Marks the Spot) Added Boots of Travel to Extension Items Added Stout Shield to Starting Items Added Gauntlet of Strength to Starting Items Moved Drum of Endurance to Core Items Removed Wind Lace Kunkka (Support)Added Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Extension Items Moved Vladmir's Offering to Situational Items  Phantom AssassinRemoved Magic Wand Underlord (Offlane) New Skill Build: E W Q Q Q R Q W W W R E E E R (1. Firestorm 2. Pit of Malice 3. Atrophy Aura) Added Iron Branch to Starting Items Added Arcane Boots to Core Items Added Mekansm to Core Items Added Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Situational Items Added Lotus Orb to Situational Items Moved Crimson Guard to Situational Items Moved Vladmir's Offering to Situational Items Moved Blink Dagger to Extension Items Moved Guardian Greaves to Extension Items Removed Clarity Removed Tranquil Boots Removed Soul Ring Removed Necromonicon - Level 3 Removed Drum of Endurance Removed Boots of Travel Underlord (Support) Added Observer Ward to Starting Items Added Mekansm to Core Items Added Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Situational Items Added Lotus Orb to Situational Items Moved Crimson Guard to Situational Items Moved Blink Dagger to Extension Items Moved Guardian Greaves to Extension Items Removed Necromonicon - Level 3 Removed Drum of Endurance Removed Boots of Travel Elder Titan (Offlane) Added Wind Lace to Starting Items Added Iron Branch x2 to Starting Items Added Magic Wand to Core Items Moved Pipe of Inishgt to Extension Items Removed Animal Courier Removed Observer Ward Removed Infused Raindrop Removed Ring of Protection Removed Blade Mail Chaos Knight Added Vladmir's Offering to Situational Items Added Echo Sabre to Situational Items Outworld Devourer New Skill Build: W E Q E E R E Q Q Q R W W W R (1. Essence Aura 2. Arcane Orb 3. Astral Imprisonment) Renamed Support Elder Titan New Skill Build: Q W Q E Q R Q E E E R W W W R (1. Echo Stomp 2. Natural Order 3. Astral Spirit) Created New Tab: "Utility Items" Added Animal Courier to Starting Items Added Observer Ward to Starting Items Added Wind Lace to Starting Items Added Clarity x2 to Starting Items Added Tranquil Boots to Core Items Added Soul Ring to Core Items Added Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Core Items Added Infused Raindrop to "Utility Items" Added Observer Ward to "Utility Items" Added Sentry Ward to "Utility Items" Added Dust of Appearance to "Utility Items" Added Gem of True Sight to "Utility Items" Added Smoke of Deceit to "Utility Items" Added Veil of Discord to Extension Items Added Pipe of Insight to Extension Items Added Force Staff to Extension Items Added Aether Lens to Extension Items Added Refresher Orb to Extension Items Removed Stout Shield Removed Iron Branch x2 Removed Bottle Removed Phase Boots Removed Echo Sabre Removed Black King Bar Removed Glimmer Cape Removed Drum of Endurance Removed Blade Mail Removed Moon Shard Removed Assault Cuirass | ||
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Velzi
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On September 16 2016 21:59 Torte de Lini wrote: Depends on the hero where it really matters and doesn't. We could add more regen, but is it necessarY? I can add Echo Sabre to Situational Items I prefer to just keep it at Heart for the illusions. I will add Vlad's to Situational Items ok Obviously some heroes get a lot more out of Wind Lace than others, also depends on the enemies u are facing. After all its all about Movement Speed and Vision whether u get in range or not to kill the enemy. CK, I mean it depends on the lane obviously, u can get away with only 1 set of tangoes or not, highly situational. About the HotD, if u at any point wanna transition to jungle after laning stage u are forced to ferry regen to keep up ur health if u dont have lifesteal or regen. Echo Sabre Situational seems fine. U can keep only Heart too if u want. I dont think u want to add Vlads tho, CK runs out of slots fairly quickly even though he is not a fast farmer, Treads Wand Drums QB TP Vlads Armlet is already 7 slots so u would have to get rid of one item fairly quickly. You also don't want to commit to too many small items as a position 1. I didnt take in account u have some regen from the Armlet and Drums with the current build, maybe HotD is not needed if u have them both. | ||
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On September 17 2016 09:22 Thetwinmasters wrote: AW should be maxing E first though the level 1 point is game dependent but level 1 E is super nice for mid I'm seeing matches where either/or are maxed. | ||
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