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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
September 17 2016 21:44 GMT
#6701
Abaddon
Added Healing Salve to Starting Items
Added Lotus Orb to Situational Items
Moved Drum of Endurance to Core Items
Moved Solar Crest to Situational Items
Moved Pipe of Insight to Extension Items
Removed Iron Branch
Removed Soul Ring

Arc Warden (Core/Safe)
Created New Tab: "Early Game"
Added Boots of Speed to "Early Game"
Added Maelstrom to Core Items
Added Monkey King Bar to Extension Items
Moved Hand of Midas to "Early Game"
Moved Ring of Aquila to "Early Game"
Moved Silver Edge to Situational Items
Moved Black King Bar to Extension Items
Removed Desolator
Removed Eye of Skadi

Arc Warden (Core/Mid)
Created New Tab: "Early Game"
Created New Tab: "Utility Items"
Added Boots of Speed to "Early Game"
Added Healing Salve to "Utility Items"
Added Enchanted Mango to "Utility Items"
Added Maelstrom to Core Items
Added Monkey King Bar to Extension Items
Moved Hand of Midas to "Early Game"
Moved Ring of Aquila to "Early Game"
Moved Silver Edge to Situational Items
Moved Black King Bar to Extension Items
Removed Ring of Aquila
Removed Desolator
Removed Eye of Skadi

Doom (Jungle)
Added Drum of Endurance to Core Items
Added Silver Edge to Situational Items
Added Crimson Guard to Situational Items
Added Pipe of Insight to Situational Items
Added Lotus Orb to Situational Items
Added Assault Cuirass to Extension Items
Moved Iron Talon to Core Items
Moved Mekansm to Extension Items
Removed Stout Shield
Removed Ring of Protection
Removed Wind Lace
Removed Arcane Boots
Removed Mekansm
Removed Blood Mail
Removed Refresher

Doom (Offlane)
Added Crimson Guard to Situational Items
Added Pipe of Insight to Situational Items
Added Lotus Orb to Situational Items
Added Assault Cuirass to Extension Items
Removed Iron Talon
Removed Magic Wand
Removed Wind Lace
Removed Blade Mail
Removed Refresher

Kunkka (Core)
New Skill Build: W Q W E W R W Q Q Q R E E E R (1. Tidebringer 2. Torrent 3. X Marks the Spot)
Added Boots of Travel to Extension Items
Added Stout Shield to Starting Items
Added Gauntlet of Strength to Starting Items
Moved Drum of Endurance to Core Items
Removed Wind Lace

Kunkka (Support)
Added Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Extension Items
Moved Vladmir's Offering to Situational Items

Phantom Assassin
Removed Magic Wand

Underlord (Offlane)
New Skill Build: E W Q Q Q R Q W W W R E E E R (1. Firestorm 2. Pit of Malice 3. Atrophy Aura)
Added Iron Branch to Starting Items
Added Arcane Boots to Core Items
Added Mekansm to Core Items
Added Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Situational Items
Added Lotus Orb to Situational Items
Moved Crimson Guard to Situational Items
Moved Vladmir's Offering to Situational Items
Moved Blink Dagger to Extension Items
Moved Guardian Greaves to Extension Items
Removed Clarity
Removed Tranquil Boots
Removed Soul Ring
Removed Necromonicon - Level 3
Removed Drum of Endurance
Removed Boots of Travel

Underlord (Support)
Added Observer Ward to Starting Items
Added Mekansm to Core Items
Added Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Situational Items
Added Lotus Orb to Situational Items
Moved Crimson Guard to Situational Items
Moved Blink Dagger to Extension Items
Moved Guardian Greaves to Extension Items
Removed Necromonicon - Level 3
Removed Drum of Endurance
Removed Boots of Travel

Elder Titan (Offlane)
Added Wind Lace to Starting Items
Added Iron Branch x2 to Starting Items
Added Magic Wand to Core Items
Moved Pipe of Inishgt to Extension Items
Removed Animal Courier
Removed Observer Ward
Removed Infused Raindrop
Removed Ring of Protection
Removed Blade Mail

Chaos Knight
Added Vladmir's Offering to Situational Items
Added Echo Sabre to Situational Items

Outworld Devourer
New Skill Build: W E Q E E R E Q Q Q R W W W R (1. Essence Aura 2. Arcane Orb 3. Astral Imprisonment)

Renamed Support
Elder Titan
New Skill Build: Q W Q E Q R Q E E E R W W W R (1. Echo Stomp 2. Natural Order 3. Astral Spirit)
Created New Tab: "Utility Items"
Added Animal Courier to Starting Items
Added Observer Ward to Starting Items
Added Wind Lace to Starting Items
Added Clarity x2 to Starting Items
Added Tranquil Boots to Core Items
Added Soul Ring to Core Items
Added Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Core Items
Added Infused Raindrop to "Utility Items"
Added Observer Ward to "Utility Items"
Added Sentry Ward to "Utility Items"
Added Dust of Appearance to "Utility Items"
Added Gem of True Sight to "Utility Items"
Added Smoke of Deceit to "Utility Items"
Added Veil of Discord to Extension Items
Added Pipe of Insight to Extension Items
Added Force Staff to Extension Items
Added Aether Lens to Extension Items
Added Refresher Orb to Extension Items
Removed Stout Shield
Removed Iron Branch x2
Removed Bottle
Removed Phase Boots
Removed Echo Sabre
Removed Black King Bar
Removed Glimmer Cape
Removed Drum of Endurance
Removed Blade Mail
Removed Moon Shard
Removed Assault Cuirass
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
September 20 2016 18:22 GMT
#6702
Going to push through changes.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
September 22 2016 15:21 GMT
#6703
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=154433300

Found a very popular Sniper guide. 2.03 million subscriptions.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Velzi
Profile Joined June 2012
Finland659 Posts
September 22 2016 17:06 GMT
#6704
Well thats pretty much basic starting items + basic core items and then he lists randomly every end game item to different categories. Nothing to see here.
Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you to their level and then beat you with experience. http://www.dotabuff.com/players/115305822 https://yasp.co/players/115305822
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
September 22 2016 17:29 GMT
#6705
It's just very impressive. It's the third most popular hero build and the only 2million sub. hero build that isn't mine.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
September 23 2016 18:27 GMT
#6706
stats today
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-24 04:15:50
September 24 2016 04:08 GMT
#6707
After ~15 days (September 8 to September 23), we have risen from 164,509,575 to 167,385,495 combined subscriptions

A difference of 2,875,920
Average Subscribers per Guide is 1,115,903.30
Growth Percentage is 1.75%


5 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
  1. Underlord (Offlane) (234,826)
  2. Warlock (Core) (193,763)
  3. Invoker (Quas/Wex) (167,407)
  4. Shadow Shaman (Core) (145,077)
  5. Underlord (Support) (117,212)


5 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  1. Sven
  2. Lifestealer (Jungle)
  3. Juggernaut
  4. Phantom Lancer
  5. Phantom Assassin


Notable Growths in Subscriptions:
  • Phantom Assassin (1,878,062 -> 1,927,664)
  • Drow Ranger (1,551,722 -> 1,594,613)
  • Jakiro (999,266 -> 1,014,110)
  • Abaddon (993,897 -> 1,009,504)
  • Tiny (Core/Mid) (976,331 -> 1,000,017)


Newly Released Guides:




    Patreon.com/Torte, this project continues to be made possible by the contributions of:

    Alfred Vogl, Pearson Mewbourne, Leonardo Lambertini, Scott MacDonald, Sutas, Nicholas Chlumecky, Dice, Bartlomiej Jan Pasek, Mikey Kaminski, Ryan Goss, Startracker, Freeze ray, Nate Hubbard, The WLD Crew, Benjamin Miller, Kistaro Windrider, Elliot Cuite, Daniel Thackray, Jose Cacho, Max Kemeny, Matthew Nami, tale, Joel Absolom, Justin, Aaron Bell, Jason Davis, Cooper Johnson, Samuel Enocsson, JimmaDaRustla, Slashershot, Igor Dolgiy, Ramona Brown, Duncan, Alishams Hassam, Leon Traill, Josh Laseter, Genc Musliu, Joshua Rodman, Moe Foster, Alli Goss

    Portions of their pledges will go to long-time community members, dedicated to providing feedback to keep this collection of hero builds accurate to current standards of play.
    https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
    Torte de Lini
    Profile Blog Joined September 2010
    Germany38463 Posts
    Last Edited: 2016-09-24 04:15:35
    September 24 2016 04:12 GMT
    #6708
      This latest update and hero builds changes was made possible thanks to the feedback and knowledge of the following community members. Sincere thank you to: Belisarius, Velzi, Thetwinmasters

    • 17.41% of last month's unique players [13,349,142] are subscribed to the our highest subscribed guide: Sven Guide

    • Jakiro (1,014,110)
    • Abaddon (1,009,504)
    • Tiny (Core/Mid) (1,000,017) recently hit the 1 million mark

    • Six guides are currently swimming towards the 1 million mark: , , , , .
    https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
    TheWanderingZebra
    Profile Joined November 2015
    United States16 Posts
    October 02 2016 17:38 GMT
    #6709
    Just curious, have you ever tested echo sabre on Bristleback?
    "There are no gods to save us, there is only ourselves now."
    Torte de Lini
    Profile Blog Joined September 2010
    Germany38463 Posts
    Last Edited: 2016-10-25 06:47:27
    October 07 2016 20:29 GMT
    #6710
    No, I haven't tried it.

    To-Do:

    Change Clockwerk Boots to Tranqs OR Phase
    Change Shadow Shaman Aether Lens to Situational (Blink stays)
    Double-Check Tinker Build Order + Aghanim's Scepter inclusion
    Lifestealer earlier Blight Stone
    Juggernaut Item Build (and skill?)
    Double-Check OD
    Warlock Skill/Item build
    Watch Kunkka Skill Build
    Morphling Item Build
    Drow Ranger Item Build
    Omniknight Item/Skill Build
    Outworld Devourer Item/Skill Build
    Faceless Void Item Build
    Arc Warden Item/Skill Build
    Underlord Skill/Item Build
    Bloodseeker double-check for Echo Sabre
    Check Sniper (Middle + Lane)
    luna




    Tomorrow stats.
    https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
    bdonballer
    Profile Joined October 2014
    United States408 Posts
    Last Edited: 2016-10-08 03:14:38
    October 07 2016 20:39 GMT
    #6711
    I think phase boots are better for clockwerk. Clock actually hits pretty hard with phase and blademail.
    Plus you dont need the tranquil boots armor since blademail gets it for you.
    I carry hard!
    Torte de Lini
    Profile Blog Joined September 2010
    Germany38463 Posts
    Last Edited: 2016-10-08 21:16:59
    October 08 2016 20:11 GMT
    #6712
    More armour is always nice. I've seen players get both so I will have to take a look at the competitive side of things.

    However, I will be inactive for the month of October as I have been invited to attend the Epicenter event in Moscow and will be relocating to Europe.

    please change title to 170 million
    https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
    Torte de Lini
    Profile Blog Joined September 2010
    Germany38463 Posts
    October 09 2016 06:51 GMT
    #6713
    After ~15 days (September 23 to October 8), we have risen from 167,385,495 to 170,200,148 combined subscriptions

    A difference of 2,814,653
    Average Subscribers per Guide is 1,134,667.65
    Growth Percentage is 1.68%


    5 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
    1. Underlord (Offlane) (264,448)
    2. Warlock (Core) (204,736)
    3. Invoker (Quas/Wex) (197,984)
    4. Shadow Shaman (Core) (153,189)
    5. Underlord (Support) (133,290)


    5 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
    1. Sven
    2. Lifestealer (Jungle)
    3. Juggernaut
    4. Phantom Lancer
    5. Phantom Assassin


    Notable Growths in Subscriptions:
    • Lycan (Jungle) (995,538 -> 1,008,878)
    • Winter Wyvern (995,112 -> 1,008,516)
    • Techies (994,561 -> 1,003,704)
    • Dragon Knight (Core/Safe) (991,083 -> 1,001,776)


    Newly Released Guides:




      Patreon.com/Torte, this project continues to be made possible by the contributions of:

      Alfred Vogl, Pearson Mewbourne, Leonardo Lambertini, Scott MacDonald, Sutas, Nicholas Chlumecky, Dice, Bartlomiej Jan Pasek, Mikey Kaminski, Ryan Goss, Startracker, Freeze ray, Nate Hubbard, The WLD Crew, Benjamin Miller, Kistaro Windrider, Elliot Cuite, Daniel Thackray, Jose Cacho, Max Kemeny, Matthew Nami, tale, Joel Absolom, Daxdiv, Hursha, Aaron Bell, Jason Davis, Cooper Johnson, Samuel Enocsson, JimmaDaRustla, slashershot, Igor Dolgiy, Ramona Brown, Duncan, Alishams Hassam, Leon Traill, Josh Laseter, Genc Musliu, Joshua Rodman, Moe Foster

      Portions of their pledges will go to long-time community members, dedicated to providing feedback to keep this collection of hero builds accurate to current standards of play.
      https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
      Torte de Lini
      Profile Blog Joined September 2010
      Germany38463 Posts
      Last Edited: 2016-10-09 09:15:39
      October 09 2016 06:55 GMT
      #6714
        This latest update and hero builds changes was made possible thanks to the feedback and knowledge of the following community members. Sincere thank you to: TheWanderingZebra, Bdonballer

      • 18.05% of last month's unique players [13,117,476] are subscribed to the our highest subscribed guide: Sven Guide

      • Lycan (Jungle) (1,008,878)
      • Winter Wyvern (1,008,516)
      • Techies (1,003,704)
      • Dragon Knight (Core/Safe) (1,001,776) recently hit the 1 million mark

      • Four guides are currently swimming towards the 1 million mark: , , ,
      https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
      Torte de Lini
      Profile Blog Joined September 2010
      Germany38463 Posts
      Last Edited: 2016-10-26 19:59:18
      October 24 2016 15:08 GMT
      #6715
      After ~15 days (October 8 to October 23), we have risen from 170,200,148 to 172,924,739 combined subscriptions

      A difference of 2,724,591
      Average Subscribers per Guide is 1,152,831.59
      Growth Percentage is 1.60%


      5 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
      1. Underlord (Offlane) (287,287)
      2. Invoker (Quas/Wex) (229,121)
      3. Warlock (Core) (216,412)
      4. Shadow Shaman (Core) (161,744)
      5. Underlord (Support) (145,234)


      5 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
      1. Sven
      2. Lifestealer (Jungle)
      3. Juggernaut
      4. Phantom Assassin (previous rank 5)
      5. Phantom Lancer (previous rank 4)


      Notable Growths in Subscriptions:
      • Phantom Assassin (1,978,431 -> 2,026,474)
      • Phantom Lancer (1,989,172 -> 2,013,435)
      • Bloodseeker (Core/Safe) (983,341 -> 1,000,849)


      Newly Released Guides:




        Patreon.com/Torte, this project continues to be made possible by the contributions of:

        Alfred Vogl, Pearson Mewbourne, Leonardo Lambertini, Scott MacDonald, Sutas, Nicholas Chlumecky, Dice, Bartlomiej Jan Pasek, Mikey Kaminski, Ryan Goss, Startracker, Freeze ray, Nate Hubbard, The WLD Crew, Benjamin Miller, Kistaro Windrider, Elliot Cuite, Daniel Thackray, Jose Cacho, Matthew Nami, tale, Joel Absolom, Daxdiv, Hursha, Aaron Bell, Jason Davis, Cooper Johnson, Samuel Enocsson, JimmaDaRustla, slashershot, Igor Dolgiy, Ramona Brown, Duncan, Alishams Hassam, Leon Traill, Josh Laseter, Genc Musliu, Joshua Rodman, Moe Foster

        Portions of their pledges will go to long-time community members, dedicated to providing feedback to keep this collection of hero builds accurate to current standards of play.
        https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
        Torte de Lini
        Profile Blog Joined September 2010
        Germany38463 Posts
        Last Edited: 2016-10-24 15:32:24
        October 24 2016 15:13 GMT
        #6716
          This latest update and hero builds changes was made possible thanks to the feedback and knowledge of the following community members. Sincere thank you to:

        • 18.32% of last month's unique players [13,132,940] are subscribed to the our highest subscribed guide: Sven Guide

        • Phantom Assassin (2,026,474)
        • Phantom Lancer (2,013,435) recently hit the 2 million mark

        • Bloodseeker (Core/Safe) (1,000,849) recently hit the 1 million mark

        • Six guides are currently swimming towards the 1 million mark: , , , , ,
        https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
        Birdie
        Profile Blog Joined August 2007
        New Zealand4438 Posts
        October 25 2016 01:50 GMT
        #6717
        In the sniper (middle) guide, he should be starting with wraith band, 1 branch, 1 faerie fire, 2x shared tangos. Not sure what the policy is on items like wand but there should be either an early game or situational wand somewhere if he's mid, many/most mid heroes are spell-spammers.

        Not sure about the skill build, I feel like getting 2 levels of shrapnel by 3 is very strong. Maybe WQQE?

        Raindrop should probably be there too, similar reason as wand (spellcasters often mid, so you can survive lvl 6/7 attacks from heroes like puck, lina, qop etc.

        Situational shadowblade should probably be situational silver's edge, I think if you're going to get the shadowblade it should be specifically for silver's edge active eventually now that hurricane pike is core.

        SNY > manta on this hero, I would swap their positions in the build. Reasoning for this is that sniper excels as controlling heroes from afar. SNY gives more control through maim, and gives more movement speed, allowing him to keep good positioning more easily. Also, he doesn't rly have the mana to spam manta a lot and manta's not that great on him anyway (not high agil really, and ranged manta is pretty weak on most heroes too except a few like drow and luna).

        Desolator should be somewhere in the guide, probably situational or extension. It's very strong for sieging towers. Only issue I have with it is that it gives away your position with big red pewpews XD
        Red classic | A butterfly dreamed he was Zhuangzi | 4.5k, heading to 5k as support!
        Yurie
        Profile Blog Joined August 2010
        11960 Posts
        Last Edited: 2016-10-25 03:45:36
        October 25 2016 03:44 GMT
        #6718
        Is Luna still with two points in aura in the guide? Been looking at pro games and it is almost always just one level for easier last hitting then glaives for the faster farming. Nuke/ulti is correct as far as I know.
        Velzi
        Profile Joined June 2012
        Finland659 Posts
        October 25 2016 06:18 GMT
        #6719
        For Luna i dont know if u can put skill points into guide like that where u skip something. All and all i dont even think its that big of a deal because if u dont know how to farm, u dont really need the max glaives early. (again coming back to same discussion we have had 1000 times, to give guides in a way thats best for the noob to play in his current level or to give guide thats going to be better in the long run and is most effective in high level play)

        For Sniper i agree some last hitting power in form of wraith band wouldnt hurt, even tho the sniper attack animation is sick, damage still kinda meh. Whether u want to start off with lvl1 shrapnel / headshot is match up dependent, vs some heroes u wanna take over the lane by spamming shrapnel and forcing them out of last hitting and some match ups u just need raw damage to last hit better. QWQEQRQ or WQQEQRQ both fine, again not a big deal imo.

        Manta is kinda odd since it doesnt really do any damage but rather gives u more ways deal with shit thrown at u. Even purging minor slows with manta as sniper can be a difference between life and death. I dont think it deserves core status either but does SnY deserve? not so sure. Maybe we should have one true mobility item, either SB Blink or Force/Pike in Core?
        Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you to their level and then beat you with experience. http://www.dotabuff.com/players/115305822 https://yasp.co/players/115305822
        Birdie
        Profile Blog Joined August 2007
        New Zealand4438 Posts
        October 25 2016 06:58 GMT
        #6720
        Definitely pike core, usually I'd think dragon lance->yasha->pike->sny and then dmg item, something like that.
        Red classic | A butterfly dreamed he was Zhuangzi | 4.5k, heading to 5k as support!
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