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On November 09 2016 01:40 Sn0_Man wrote: right now it has qb AND iron talon in early game items which is probably a bit unintuitive. Oh, QB is supposed to be removed. Thanks | ||
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but up to you similar to how casual yasha isn't really a thing either (same issue, it's replaced with just windlace) and the build these days is radiance-travs-ocore-manta in that order | ||
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On November 09 2016 01:52 Sn0_Man wrote: I mean if you remove qb entirely and just leave iron talon, that's probably enough for a guide the way i see it but up to you similar to how casual yasha isn't really a thing either (same issue, it's replaced with just windlace) and the build these days is radiance-travs-ocore-manta in that order Yeah I meant to remove it. You're right on build order | ||
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Added Tango to Starting Items Added Ring of Protection to Starting Items Removed Quelling Blade Removed Healing Salve Removed Yasha Ancient Apparition (Support) New Skill Build: E Q Q W Q R Q W W W R E E E (1. Cold Feet 2. Ice Vortex 3. Chilling Touch) Moved Hand of Midas to Early Game Moved Urn of Shadows to Situational Items Ancient Apparition (Core) Added Tango to Starting Items Added Null Talisman to Starting Items Removed Faerie Fire Removed Iron Branch x2  EarthshakerNew Skill Build: Q E Q W Q R Q E E E R W W W R (1. Fissure 2. Aftershock 3. Enchant Totem) Added Shadow Blade to Situational Items Moved Force Staff to Core Items Moved Veil of Discord to Situational Items Moved Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Extension Items Removed Animal Courier Removed Flying Courier Removed Observer Ward Removed Sentry Ward Removed Dust of Appearance Removed Smoke of Deceit Removed Gem of True Sight  ChenAdded Tango to Starting Items Moved Vladmir's Offering to Situational Items Moved Necromonicon - Level 3 to Situational Items Moved Pipe of Insight to Extension Items Moved Force Staff to Extension Items Removed Healing Salve Removed Scythe of Vyse  ZeusNew Skill Build: Q E W W W R W Q Q Q R E E E R (1. Lightning Bolt 2. Arc Lightning 3. Static Field) Moved Veil of Discord to Core Items Moved Blink Dagger to Situational Items Moved Force Staff to Extension Items Removed Bloodstone Storm Spirit New Skill Build: Q E E Q E R E Q W Q R W W W (1. Overload 2. Static Remnant 3. Electric Vortex) Added Null Talisman to Starting Items Added Iron Branch to Starting Items Moved Black King Bar to Situational Items Moved Linken's Sphere to Extension Items Removed Faerie Fire x2 Removed Magic Wand  LichNew Skill Build: E Q E Q E R Q Q W E R W W W R (1. Frost Blast 2. Sacrifice 3. Ice Armor)  Witch DoctorNew Skill Build: Q E Q W Q R Q W W W R E E E R (1. Paralyzing Cask 2. Voodoo Restoration 3. Maledict) Added Lotus Orb to Situational Items Moved Aether Lens to Core items Moved Glimmer Cape to Extension Items  TuskNew Skill Build: Q W Q W Q R Q E W W R E E E R (1. Ice Shards 2. Snowball 3. Frozen Sigil) Added Wind Lace to Starting Items Added Pipe of Insight to Situational Items Added Lotus Orb to Extension Items Moved Vladmir's Offering to Situational Items Removed Iron Branch Removed Healing Salve Removed Enchanted Mango Templar Assassin Added Diffusal Blade - Level 2 to Extension Items Removed Manta Style Terrorblade New Skill Build: E W E W E W E W R Q R Q Q Q R (1. Metamorphosis 2. Conjure Image 3. Reflection) Added Poor Man's Shield to Early Game Added Butterfly to Extension Items Removed Quelling Blade  TidehunterNew Skill Build: E W E W E R E W Q W R Q Q Q (1. Anchor Smash 2. Kraken Shell 3. Gush) Added Enchanted Mango to Starting Items Added Iron Talon to Core Items Added Octarine Core to Extension Items Removed Animal Courier Removed Aghanim's Scepter Spirit Breaker New Skill Build: Q E W E E R E Q Q Q R W W W R (1. Greater Bash 2. Charge of Darkness 3. Empowering Haste) Added Tango to Starting Items Added Drum of Endurance to Situational Items Added Crimson Guard to Situational Items Added Lotus Orb to Situational Items Added Boots of Travel to Extension Items Added Aghanim's Scepter to Extension Items Moved Silver Edge to Core Items Removed Clarity Removed Shadow Blade Removed Wind Lace Removed Vladmir's Offering Removed Sange & Yasha  ViperNew Skill Build: Q W Q E E R E E Q Q R W W W R (1. Corrosive Skin 2. Poison Attack 3. Nethertoxin) Added Pipe of Insight to Situational Items Added Butterfly to Extension Items Moved Sange & Yasha to Situational Items Moved Manta Style to Extension Items Removed Monkey King Bar  VisageAdded Enchanted Mango to Starting Items Added Magic Wand to Core Items Added Pipe of Insight to Situational Items Added Scythe of Vyse to Extension Items Moved Aghanim's Scepter to Core Items Moved Force Staff to Extension Items Moved Rod of Atos to Extension Items Removed Clarity Removed Vladmir's Offering Removed Shiva's Guard  DazzleMoved Urn of Shadows to Core Items Removed Medallion of Courage Treant Protector New Skill Build: E W E Q E R E W W W R Q Q Q R (1. Living Armor 2. Leech Seed 3. Nature's Guise) Added Wind Lace to Starting Items Added Hand of Midas to Core Items Added Pipe of Insight to Extension Items Moved Aghanim's Scepter to Core Items Moved Medallion of Courage to Situational Items Removed Clarity Removed Stout Shield Removed Medallion of Courage Removed Orb of Venom  Doom (Jungle)New Skill Build: Q W W E W R W E E E R Q Q Q R (1. Scorched Earth 2. Infernal Blade 3. Devour) Added Boots of Travel to Extension Items Moved Blink Dagger to Core Items Removed Mekansm Removed Crimson Guard Doom (Offlane)New Skill Build: Q W W E W R W E E E R Q Q Q R (1. Scorched Earth 2. Infernal Blade 3. Devour) Added Boots of Travel to Extension Items Moved Silver Edge to Situational Items Removed Healing Salve Removed Shadow Blade Removed Crimson Guard Removed Mekansm  OmniknightNew Skill Build: Q E Q E Q W Q R W W R W E E R (1. Purification 2. Repel 3. Degen Aura) Added Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Situational Items Moved Vladmir's Offering to Situational Items Removed 2x Iron Branch  VenomancerAdded Wind Lace to Starting Items Added Arcane Boots Moved Force Staff to Core Items Moved Glimmer Cape to Situational Items Moved Pipe of Insight to Extension Items Removed Healing Salve Removed Iron Branch Removed Observer Ward Removed Tranquil Boots Removed Ring of Aquila  LeshracNew Skill Build: Q W W Q W R W Q Q E R E E E R (1. Diabolic Edict 2. Split Earth 3. Lightning Storm) Added 2x Observer Ward to Starting Items Added Force Staff to Situational Items Moved Blink Dagger to Extension Items Moved Veil of Discord to Extension Items Removed Octarine Core Removed Shiva's Guard Leshrac (Core)New Skill Build: Q E E Q E R E Q Q W R W W W R (1. Lightning Storm 2. Split Earth 3. Diabolic Edict) Added Aghanim's Scepter to Extension Items Removed Magic Wand Lone Druid (Jungle) Added Tranquil Boots to Core - Druid Moved Iron Talon to Starting Items Removed Iron Branch x2 Removed Tango Removed Boots of Speed Removed Magic Wand Lone Druid (Core) Added Hand of Midas to Core - Bear Added Blight Stone to Core - Druid Removed Iron Talon Removed Magic Wand Lycan (Jungle) Added Headdress to Early Game Removed Blight Stone Lycan (Core) Added Iron Talon to Early Game Removed Enchanted Mango Removed Quelling Blade Removed Blight Stone  Gyrocopter (Core/Mid)Added Tango to Starting Items Added Wraith Band to Starting Items Moved Sange & Yasha to Core Items Moved Manta Style to Situational Items Moved Black King Bar to Extension Items Removed Iron Branch x2 Removed Circlet of Nobility Removed Faerie Fire x2 Removed Magic Wand Removed Daedalus Gyrocopter (Core/Safe)Added Wraith Band to Starting Items Moved Sange & Yasha to Core Items Moved Manta Style to Situational Items Moved Black King Bar to Extension Items Removed Healing Salve Removed Ring of Protection Removed Iron Branch x2 Removed Clarity Removed Daedalus Elder Titan (Offlane) New Skill Build: W Q Q E Q R Q W W W R E E E (1. Echo Stomp 2. Astral Spirit 3. Natural Order) Added Stout Shield to Starting Items Added Healing Salve to Starting Items Added Enchanted Mango to Starting Items Added Power Treads to Core Items Added Ghost Scepter to Situational Items Removed Wind Lace Removed Iron Branch x2 Removed Clarity Removed Tranquil Boots Removed Soul Ring Removed Crimson Guard Elder Titan (Support) Added Observer Ward to Starting Items Added Ghost Scepter to Situational Items Removed Animal Courier Removed Clarity Removed Magic Wand Removed Crimson Guard  UndyingAdded Arcane Boots to Core Items Added Mekansm to Core Items Added Guardian Greaves to Extension Items Moved Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Situational Items Moved Lotus Orb to Situational Items Moved Pipe of Insight to Extension Items Removed Flying Courier Removed Observer Ward Removed Sentry Ward Removed Tranquil Boots  Bloodseeker (Core/Mid)New Skill Build: Q E E Q E R E W W W R W Q Q R (1. Thirst 2. Blood Rite 3. Bloodrage) Added Drum of Endurance to Core Items Moved Silver Edge to Core Items Moved Sange & Yasha to Situational Items Bloodseeker (Core/Safe)New Skill Build: Q E E Q E R E W W W R W Q Q (1. Thirst 2. Blood Rite 3. Bloodrage) Added Faerie Fire x2 Added Power Treads to Core Items Added Magic Wand to Core Items Moved Quelling Blade to Early Game Bloodseeker (Jungle)Added Infused Raindrop to Core Items Added Ring of Aquila to Core Items Keeper of the Light Added Ghost Scepter to Situational Items Wraith King Removed Radiance | ||
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Naga should go for yasha before ortarine? more movement speed and faster farm Lich going E or Q first is debatable, E helping in lanes and Q help in rune contest and should Sven put BKB in extension items instead of core items? going BKB too early may not be a good idea 1. Sven usually goes ahead in networth a lot, so going defensive items too early is not essential because the enemy team may not be that farmed anyway 2. an early BKB means it charges goes away very fast, usually pros nowadays goes bkb as last resort when the disable really hurts them 3. maybe add bloodthon as situational item? Wraith King I played him a lot, if you go armlet>enco>blademail then your radiance timing maybe really late, should just limit it to 2 items out of 3 only maybe add ghost scepter to keeper of the light? | ||
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On November 13 2016 03:48 Leslie217 wrote: just some suggestion: Naga should go for yasha before ortarine? more movement speed and faster farm Lich going E or Q first is debatable, E helping in lanes and Q help in rune contest and should Sven put BKB in extension items instead of core items? going BKB too early may not be a good idea 1. Sven usually goes ahead in networth a lot, so going defensive items too early is not essential because the enemy team may not be that farmed anyway 2. an early BKB means it charges goes away very fast, usually pros nowadays goes bkb as last resort when the disable really hurts them 3. maybe add bloodthon as situational item? Wraith King I played him a lot, if you go armlet>enco>blademail then your radiance timing maybe really late, should just limit it to 2 items out of 3 only maybe add ghost scepter to keeper of the light? See previous replies, the norm is straight BoT -> Radiance. Yasha is negligible gain when you have BoT to TP necessary lanes and the damage boost from Radiance. Not debatable. Earlier sacrifice means a faster level 2 and advantage during the initial stage BKB in Core is a safety measure. For comfortable Sven players, BKB comes a bit too early. Newer players, their efficiency is lackluster.Bloodthorn is too large of an item to put in Situational Items (Situational typically means to replace any item in Core or a necessary item before you decide in Extension Items). I can remove Radiance Ok | ||
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You skip casual yasha now because it got replaced by an item that costs peanuts, not because movespeed stopped being valuable. | ||
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http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2745609384/builds - Windlace yasha octarine http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2760531171/builds - Windlace octarine yasha Arteezy vods seem to sometimes go windlace yasha octarine, sometimes skips it and goes straight to octo or yasha octo. | ||
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http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2743564450 - WG.AJ http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2743037193 - Aui_2000 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2742011320 - VG.J.NoNo Wind Lace http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2741903719 - LGD.Ame http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2741298287 - WG - Ah Fu http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2740785367 - Aui_2000 (2) http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2739588641 - MyPro http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2739469647 - Loda http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2739358610 - MyPro (2) http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2739236684 - Mski.Meracle http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2738990460 - VG.Ghost http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2738990460 - VG.Ghost (2) http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2738932967 - Faceless.Jabz http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2738812191 - Aui_2000 (Offlane 3) Wind Lace after Boots of Travel http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2738673858 - Freedom.Jubei http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2737407729 - Mski.Meracle (2) http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2745911794 - COL.JK Public Matches (7,000MMR to 5,500MMR) http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2771425904?guide=293d6c - VG.R.END http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2775546997?guide=1ffacb - Pub Player http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2772684617?guide=c08cfe - coL.Moo http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2771538090?guide=b0b8ba - Pub Player http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2770943240?guide=31504b - < blank > http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2769424643?guide=52f453 - Vega.Fng http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2769902464?guide=92bcad - Pub Player http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2773867971?guide=1cd8c6 - 657 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2769299766?guide=fdedd7 - Pajkatt http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2773076443?guide=f5d92c - Pub Player http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2772988506?guide=30e962 - Pub Player http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2776120826?guide=d24022 - Pub Player http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2767525162?guide=14e80a - Pub Player http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2770706547?guide=3b37ef - Pub Player http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2768747381?guide=980328 - Pub Player http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2769638110?guide=29f644 - coL.jk http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2769479310?guide=0a42a4 - Pub Player http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2767837543?guide=6d59cd - Mind Top 8 Dotabuff: http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2749021386 - Newbee.kpii http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2769338313 - coL.Moo http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2724783008 - Wings.shadow http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2752229422 - F5.rmN Wind Lace http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2756723761 - Secret.MP http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2710859121 - Fnatic.Raven http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2747959392 - 343 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2774311458 - MVP.QO I would say from the most recent Boston Major, high-level Public Matches across all regions, pro players in public environments and top Dotabuff - very few buy Wind Lace and the one cited that does (Meracle) is not consistent in the purchase. Not listed in my personal experience and also matches I've been watching live via the Watch tab in-client. | ||
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the mana really helps and every time it lets you survive it already pays for itself on that alone would include raindrop after talon | ||
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