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New Skill Build: W E Q W W R W E E E R Q Q Q R (1. Ignite 2. Bloodlust 3. Fireblast) Added Pipe of Insight to Situational Items Added Guardian Greaves to Extension Items Removed Octarine Core  RikiNew Skill Build: E Q W E E R E Q Q Q R W W W R (1. Cloak and Dagger 2. Smoke Screen 3. Blink Strike)  Shadow DemonNew Skill Build: Q E E W E R E Q Q Q R W W W R (1. Shadow Poison 2. Disruption 3. Soul Catcher) Removed Magic Wand Centaur Warrunner Added Vanguard to Core Items Added Hood of Defiance to Core Items Moved Aghanim's Scepter to Extension Items Techies Moved Force Staff to Core Items  RazorAdded Phase Boots to Core Items Removed Power Treads  Bloodseeker (Jungle)New Skill Build: Q E E Q E R E W W W R W Q Q R (1. Thirst 2. Blood Rite 3. Bloodrage) Added Echo Sabre to Situational Items Added Linken's Sphere to Situational Items Added Mjollnir to Extension Items Added Boots of Travel to Extension Items Added Eye of Skadi to Extension Items Added Abyssal Blade to Extension Items Moved Blade Mail to Extension Items Removed Moon Shard Bloodseeker (Core/Mid)New Skill Build: Q E E Q E R E W Q Q R W W W (1. Thirst 2. Blood Rite 3. Bloodrage) Added Phase Boots to Core Items Added Sange & Yasha to Core Items Added Echo Sabre to Situational Items Added Linken's Sphere to Situational Items Added Mjollnir to Extension Items Added Boots of Travel to Extension Items Added Eye of Skadi to Extension Items Added Abyssal Blade to Extension Items Moved Poor Man's Shield to Starting Items Moved Silver Edge to Situational Items Moved Blade Mail to Extension Items Removed Stout Shield Removed Iron Branch x2 Removed Healing Salve Removed Power Treads Removed Shadow Blade Removed Moon Shard Removed Assault Cuirass Removed Butterfly Bloodseeker (Core/Safe)Added Echo Sabre to Situational Items Added Mjollnir to Extension Items Added Linken's Sphere to Situational Items Added Boots of Travel to Extension Items Added Eye of Skadi to Extension Items Added Abyssal Blade to Extension Items Moved Blade Mail to Extension Items Removed Iron Branch x2 Removed Moon Shard Removed Assault Cuirass Removed Butterfly Oracle (Support) Added Pipe of Insight to Extension Items Removed Guardian Greaves  Dark SeerNew Skill Build: W E W E W R W Q Q Q Q R E E R (1. Ion Shell 2. Vacuum 3. Surge) Added Lotus Orb to Situational Items Moved Blink Dagger to Core Items Winter Wyvern Added Arcane Boots to Core Items Added Ghost Scepter to Situational Items Addd Lotus Orb to Situational Items Moved Aether Lens to Core Items Moved Soul Ring to Situational Items Moved Glimmer Cape to Extension Items Removed Tranquil Boots Underlord (Support) New Skill Build: E Q Q W Q R Q W W W R E E E R (1. Firestorm 2. Pit of Malice 3. Atrophy Aura) Created New Tab: "Utility Items" Added Tango to Starting Items Added Buckler to Core Items Added Infused Raindrop to "Utility Items" Added Observer Ward to "Utility Items" Added Sentry Wards to "Utility Items" Added Dust of Appearance to "Utility Items" Added Gem of True Sight to "Utility Items" Added Smoke of Deceit to "Utility Items" Added Necromonicon - Level 3 to Situational Items Moved Vladmir's Offering to Core Items Moved Blink Dagger to Situational Items Moved Drum of Endurance to Situational Items Moved Force Staff to Extension Items Moved Pipe of Insight to Extension Items Removed Lotus Orb Removed Octarine Core Underlord (Offlane) New Skill Build: E Q Q E Q W Q R W W R W E E R (1. Firestorm 2. Pit of Malice 3. Atrophy Aura) Added Tranquil Boots to Core Items Added Vladmir's Offering to Core Items Added Soul Ring to Core Items Added Magic Wand to Core Items Added Necromonicon - Level 3 to Situational Items Moved Guardian Greaves to Situational Items Moved Blink Dagger to Situational Items Moved Force Staff to Extension Items Moved Pipe of Insight to Extension Items Moved Crimson Guard to Extension Items Removed Lotus Orb Removed Octarine Core | ||
BluemoonSC
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And in the offlane 2 pts before a point in pit of malice? That has to be a mistake, no? You want the lane to push into you, not the other way around. You dont get anything out of a 2nd pt unless you're killing heroes..and even then.. | ||
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On September 01 2016 00:16 BluemoonSC wrote: Why on earth does underlord have a point into his aura at lvl 1, let alone before lvl 4? And in the offlane 2 pts before a point in pit of malice? That has to be a mistake, no? You want the lane to push into you, not the other way around. You dont get anything out of a 2nd pt unless you're killing heroes..and even then.. There's no mistake. I feel as if you haven't played Underlord at all because getting Aura by 1 or 2 is very common in any and all lanes. There is no way to get the lane to push into you and without Aura, you cannot guarantee last hits while also hindering the enemy safe lane's ability to last-hit. | ||
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On September 01 2016 01:25 Torte de Lini wrote: There's no mistake. I feel as if you haven't played Underlord at all because getting Aura by 1 or 2 is very common in any and all lanes. There is no way to get the lane to push into you and without Aura, you cannot guarantee last hits while also hindering the enemy safe lane's ability to last-hit. i played him a bunch the day he came out, have a 60% winrate with him, and have won with him in every position except offlane (that game was a disaster anyway). despite not having won with him, the mere concept of the build is absolutely contradictory to the style that an offlaner is playing. unless you're taking farm, that is absolutely, positively not the way you want to build him. | ||
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On September 01 2016 01:57 BluemoonSC wrote: i played him a bunch the day he came out, have a 60% winrate with him, and have won with him in every position except offlane (that game was a disaster anyway). despite not having won with him, the mere concept of the build is absolutely contradictory to the style that an offlaner is playing. unless you're taking farm, that is absolutely, positively not the way you want to build him. So give suggestions instead, it sounds like you already have a formed opinion. This is the build from playing and watching a collection of 5.5 to 6K+ matches. Yes, you are taking farm. | ||
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On September 01 2016 01:59 Torte de Lini wrote: So give suggestions instead, it sounds like you already have a formed opinion. This is the build from playing and watching a collection of 5.5 to 6K+ matches. look how you responded to me and then ask yourself why i didn't give suggestions | ||
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On September 01 2016 02:01 BluemoonSC wrote: look how you responded to me and then ask yourself why i didn't give suggestions Because my original answer already answered yours. unless you're taking farm, that is absolutely, positively not the way you want to build him. yes it is. He is taking farm. There is no way to get the lane to push into you and without Aura, you cannot guarantee last hits while also hindering the enemy safe lane's ability to last-hit. | ||
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Birdie
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broken hero if the supports and carry have low/expensive magic damage, cos you're screwed if there's only phys damage vs a pitlord. | ||
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On September 01 2016 02:01 BluemoonSC wrote: look how you responded to me and then ask yourself why i didn't give suggestions I think you need to look at how you responded to Torte. You're like "i played lots and have 60% winrate LEL listen to me even though I never actually played offlane with him much and am only <4k", and then when he says that you're not in agreement with actual good players and are being to authoritative, you get mad ROFL | ||
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Belisarius
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That said, I'm not a big fan of the second point at 4, and support should probably start W. I'm glad the support is no longer going vlads. That was very weird. | ||
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On September 01 2016 10:45 Belisarius wrote: Yeah lv1 aura is definitely the build for offlane. That said, I'm not a big fan of the second point at 4, and support should probably start W. I'm glad the support is no longer going vlads. That was very weird. Offlane is Vlad's now. Yeah, I'm having trouble deciding what to do at Level 4 (the reduction is great, but W is so situational where sometimes it wouldn't save you for escaping a gank/harassment. Same with support. I had it originally at Level 1 (despite protests) and now the early level in Q could be valuable or the point in W wouldn't help with ganks regardless. Point in Pit of Malice early on is situational | ||
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ahswtini
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+1 for pit at lvl 4, even tho lvl 1 pit is ass, u still need to start levelling pit at some point, and further points in atrophy arent that good until u start seeing teamfights or have the means to farm faster | ||
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On September 01 2016 19:21 ahswtini wrote: +1 for atrophy at lvl 1 in offlane, the amount of bullying and last hit power it gives you is better than anything else. +1 for pit at lvl 4, even tho lvl 1 pit is ass, u still need to start levelling pit at some point, and further points in atrophy arent that good until u start seeing teamfights or have the means to farm faster Yup. (I should have been clearer and said that my first remark was directed at the support build) | ||
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New Skill Build: W E Q W W R W E E E R Q Q Q R (1. Ignite 2. Bloodlust 3. Fireblast) Added Pipe of Insight to Situational Items Added Guardian Greaves to Extension Items Removed Octarine Core RikiNew Skill Build: E Q W E E R E Q Q Q R W W W R (1. Cloak and Dagger 2. Smoke Screen 3. Blink Strike) Shadow DemonNew Skill Build: Q E E W E R E Q Q Q R W W W R (1. Shadow Poison 2. Disruption 3. Soul Catcher) Removed Magic Wand Centaur Warrunner Added Vanguard to Core Items Added Hood of Defiance to Core Items Moved Aghanim's Scepter to Extension Items Techies Moved Force Staff to Core Items RazorAdded Phase Boots to Core Items Removed Power Treads Bloodseeker (Jungle)New Skill Build: Q E E Q E R E W W W R W Q Q R (1. Thirst 2. Blood Rite 3. Bloodrage) Added Echo Sabre to Situational Items Added Linken's Sphere to Situational Items Added Mjollnir to Extension Items Added Boots of Travel to Extension Items Added Eye of Skadi to Extension Items Added Abyssal Blade to Extension Items Moved Blade Mail to Extension Items Removed Moon Shard Bloodseeker (Core/Mid)New Skill Build: Q E E Q E R E W Q Q R W W W (1. Thirst 2. Blood Rite 3. Bloodrage) Added Phase Boots to Core Items Added Sange & Yasha to Core Items Added Echo Sabre to Situational Items Added Linken's Sphere to Situational Items Added Mjollnir to Extension Items Added Boots of Travel to Extension Items Added Eye of Skadi to Extension Items Added Abyssal Blade to Extension Items Moved Poor Man's Shield to Starting Items Moved Silver Edge to Situational Items Moved Blade Mail to Extension Items Removed Stout Shield Removed Iron Branch x2 Removed Healing Salve Removed Power Treads Removed Shadow Blade Removed Moon Shard Removed Assault Cuirass Removed Butterfly Bloodseeker (Core/Safe)Added Echo Sabre to Situational Items Added Mjollnir to Extension Items Added Linken's Sphere to Situational Items Added Boots of Travel to Extension Items Added Eye of Skadi to Extension Items Added Abyssal Blade to Extension Items Moved Blade Mail to Extension Items Removed Iron Branch x2 Removed Moon Shard Removed Assault Cuirass Removed Butterfly Oracle (Support) Added Pipe of Insight to Extension Items Removed Guardian Greaves Dark SeerNew Skill Build: W E W E W R W Q Q Q Q R E E R (1. Ion Shell 2. Vacuum 3. Surge) Added Lotus Orb to Situational Items Moved Blink Dagger to Core Items Winter Wyvern Added Arcane Boots to Core Items Added Ghost Scepter to Situational Items Addd Lotus Orb to Situational Items Moved Aether Lens to Core Items Moved Soul Ring to Situational Items Moved Glimmer Cape to Extension Items Removed Tranquil Boots Underlord (Support) New Skill Build: E Q Q W Q R Q W W W R E E E R (1. Firestorm 2. Pit of Malice 3. Atrophy Aura) Created New Tab: "Utility Items" Added Tango to Starting Items Added Buckler to Core Items Added Infused Raindrop to "Utility Items" Added Observer Ward to "Utility Items" Added Sentry Wards to "Utility Items" Added Dust of Appearance to "Utility Items" Added Gem of True Sight to "Utility Items" Added Smoke of Deceit to "Utility Items" Added Necromonicon - Level 3 to Situational Items Moved Vladmir's Offering to Core Items Moved Blink Dagger to Situational Items Moved Drum of Endurance to Situational Items Moved Force Staff to Extension Items Moved Pipe of Insight to Extension Items Removed Lotus Orb Removed Octarine Core Underlord (Offlane) New Skill Build: E Q Q W Q W Q R W W R W E E R (1. Firestorm 2. Pit of Malice 3. Atrophy Aura) Added Tranquil Boots to Core Items Added Vladmir's Offering to Core Items Added Soul Ring to Core Items Added Magic Wand to Core Items Added Necromonicon - Level 3 to Situational Items Moved Guardian Greaves to Situational Items Moved Blink Dagger to Situational Items Moved Force Staff to Extension Items Moved Pipe of Insight to Extension Items Moved Crimson Guard to Extension Items Removed Lotus Orb Removed Octarine Core | ||
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Belisarius
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It's very good in rune fights, it's his only real ganking skill and, unlike offlane, E pushing the lane is a significant factor if you're a safelane support screwing up your carry's equilibrium. I'm not sure what people's objections were but to me the only reason to go lv1 E is to afk jungle, and that's never going to be a course I'd recommend on a support. | ||
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On September 02 2016 09:22 Belisarius wrote: I really think support should have W at 1. It's very good in rune fights, it's his only real ganking skill and, unlike offlane, E pushing the lane is a significant factor if you're a safelane support screwing up your carry's equilibrium. I'm not sure what people's objections were but to me the only reason to go lv1 E is to afk jungle, and that's never going to be a course I'd recommend on a support. It's a question of opportunity. Level 1 Pit means I won't have a second point in Firestorm until Level 4. Which means I won't be able to farm or come online with my core items much later. All this for a chance to gank/kill the offlaner - which might not be possible if: My Carry is a passive hero We don't have a trilane (in my personal experience, you need a slow + Pit + carry to be able to do it) The offlane has a strong escape It's so situationally valuable that I have to make a decision. I used to have Pit of Malice at Level 1 - but whenever I played, it never came up and I had to sit in lane to soak exp to get to level 4 whereas if I get an early point in E: I sit in lane for one wave - stack and pull to get even more damage and then I can do a camp all by myself to get to 3. Then Firestorm comes on and I can stack and pull the hard camp to pull my safe lane and kill a lot of gold/exp over time. Then Level 4 comes and I have Pit of Malice at a reasonable time without interrupting my safe lane's farm or pushing the lane too hard with my aura. | ||
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