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On February 27 2015 01:57 HewTheTitan wrote:Actually, it seems like the consensus is that the gs60 pro gets extremely hot. I find that pretty concerning. I guess the ASUS ROG line is far better for that? I need this thing to last me. Also... if I'm using this for programming, I'm going to be using it a ton. The 17 inch option might make sense in that case. I'm not sure. A good screen + keyboard combo might be worth the extra weight and size. I wouldn't use it in class anyway, it would be for libraries and coffee shops mostly... That combo also lets me get a gtx 980m, which seems pretty beastly. Thoughts? There are youtube videos where you can listen to it, it does get quite loud, but people also say that you can decrease the fan setting slightly and make a huge difference. Yeah, that and the LEDs everywhere you can't turn off.
I've got a friend who has an MSi GT72 with the 980M. It's definitely a beast with far better cooling than my GS60. I think he maxed out at like 45 degrees on his GPU and 65 on his CPU while playing CSGO capped at 60FPS. Doesn't mean much but it's the game we play together the most. From the reviews, it looks like the GT72 has slightly better cooling than the Asus G751 too.
That said, I would not recommend moving it to coffee shops or libraries lol. I lifted his backpack with it and that thing is going to hurt your back. Definitely meant for something like a college dorm.
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while playing CSGO capped at 60FPS
very low load on a 980m :D tbh you need to compare temps at 100% load and max clocks
even with a 60hz screen, you're supposed to cap csgo at like 121fps because of the tick rate iirc. Even so, tf2+csgo are some very undemanding games on gpu
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On February 27 2015 14:08 Cyro wrote:very low load on a 980m :D tbh you need to compare temps at 100% load and max clocks even with a 60hz screen, you're supposed to cap csgo at like 121fps because of the tick rate iirc. Even so, tf2+csgo are some very undemanding games on gpu
Yup, it's a very low stress on his system but I'm sure it's by far the most played game (according to his Steam account anyways).
We just play on 64 tick servers so it doesn't affect us. No ESEA or CEVO for us xD.
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^then ~65-66fps cap :D
Having two polling rates that don't quite match up is quite bad for responsiveness, but 65-66fps cap is a lot better than 60-63 with a 64hz tick rate. Doesn't really matter to most people i guess though
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On February 27 2015 14:47 Cyro wrote:
^then ~65-66fps cap :D
Having two polling rates that don't quite match up is quite bad for responsiveness, but 65-66fps cap is a lot better than 60-63 with a 64hz tick rate. Doesn't really matter to most people i guess though
Haha okay, I'll take your advice. This better rank me up to Global Elite from my current Silver 3 though.
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Not to hijack this thread or anything and making a new thread seems debatable when I made a blog about it but since it's also similar to what I'm questioning but at a very low budget gaming laptop or entry level laptops to game with for travels.
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/479128-which-laptop-to-keep-which-laptop-to-sell
Any help or answers to what I would ask here?
Is it better to make a new thread on tech support?
Or perhaps mods can move this blog thread to tech support thread if possible? Thanks.
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On February 28 2015 09:24 QuickStriker wrote:Not to hijack this thread or anything and making a new thread seems debatable when I made a blog about it but since it's also similar to what I'm questioning but at a very low budget gaming laptop or entry level laptops to game with for travels. http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/479128-which-laptop-to-keep-which-laptop-to-sellAny help or answers to what I would ask here? Is it better to make a new thread on tech support? Or perhaps mods can move this blog thread to tech support thread if possible? Thanks.
IDK why you bought new laptop, taking a huge downgrade on GPU and buying new RAM + HDD that you wasn't going to use with it. Buying a laptop at $400 is already questionable, buying one at $220 is questionable for a lot of uses but doing both is kinda silly. You can't make a good upgrade going from a $400 system to a $220 system even if it's 2.5 years apart, of that $220 a huge amount of it goes to the price of the laptop casing, heatsinks, keyboard, touchpad, screen etc. You can't even get proper performance with the hd5500 because it's an ultra low wattage cpu+igpu that'll just throttle if you load the integrated graphics
On the plus side you have a touch screen, probably way better idle battery life if your current laptop has the same battery capacity as the other one (it might not), probably better performance in extremely graphically light cpu bound games like osu! but for general gaming i'd say new one is unusable and old one is very bad
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On February 28 2015 18:11 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2015 09:24 QuickStriker wrote:Not to hijack this thread or anything and making a new thread seems debatable when I made a blog about it but since it's also similar to what I'm questioning but at a very low budget gaming laptop or entry level laptops to game with for travels. http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/479128-which-laptop-to-keep-which-laptop-to-sellAny help or answers to what I would ask here? Is it better to make a new thread on tech support? Or perhaps mods can move this blog thread to tech support thread if possible? Thanks. IDK why you bought new laptop, taking a huge downgrade on GPU and buying new RAM + HDD that you wasn't going to use with it. Buying a laptop at $400 is already questionable, buying one at $220 is questionable for a lot of uses but doing both is kinda silly. You can't make a good upgrade going from a $400 system to a $220 system even if it's 2.5 years apart, of that $220 a huge amount of it goes to the price of the laptop casing, heatsinks, keyboard, touchpad, screen etc. You can't even get proper performance with the hd5500 because it's an ultra low wattage cpu+igpu that'll just throttle if you load the integrated graphics On the plus side you have a touch screen, probably way better idle battery life if your current laptop has the same battery capacity as the other one (it might not), probably better performance in extremely graphically light cpu bound games like osu! but for general gaming i'd say new one is unusable and old one is very bad
Well look, honestly, I'm not going to spend $1000 or more on a gaming laptop at this moment. The OP and this thread discuss about high budget (or mid budget in the view of other people pockets) laptops but I'm asking in terms of a low budget gaming laptops which I know what low level gaming it's capable of.
I don't expect either laptops play PLANETSIDE 2 or even Total War series.
That being said, $400 happened in 2012 when it was considered a good deal at that time, check the internet, reviews, forums and certainly the deal sites. Even this $200 laptop is an extremely good deal for its price as a budget laptop which I base all deals and opinions mainly come from slickdeals first and foremost.
A on-the-go ready travel laptop is necessary for me when I go out to trips and overseas which I don't plan to play hardcore gaming half-way around the world obviously. In fact, I rarely game but I like to keep my options open.
So bottom line, I know what little is to expect from a sub-$400 laptop. If I want a gaming laptop, I'll obviously have to invest at least $700 (which is mostly lenovo Y40/Y50 range) and $1000+ for a decent one.
At the end of the day, either of these laptop will be my "placeholder" laptop until Intel 6th Generation core series come out late 2015/early 2016 which I'll buy an actual laptop then. I just can't keep both right now so I'll keep one and sell one (not RETURN, I know I can make at least $100-$200 just selling the new laptop still sealed in box). But my original question remains, old laptop or new laptop?
On topic to OP, after reading your OP, I suggest you research the best gaming laptop prices you can get at this site/link:
http://slickdeals.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=9&sort=lastpost&order=&icon=23
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Old i think if you actually want to run games, like, at all. With both, there's a bunch of games that you already don't meet min spec for though. 6'th gen won't be much better than 5'th for laptops, and it's due in ~5-6 months for desktop at least.
The new is good as a lightweight $220 thing for taking notes, web browsing etc but you'll have a hard time doing much more on. The old one's CPU is probably a fair amount weaker - but not only does it have way better integrated graphics, it has dedicated graphics, and the new laptop won't be able to operate properly when using its only graphics because of the highly restrictive power limit that's shared between CPU and GPU.
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Just to check an assumption I make about computer hardware: I assume that this graph sort of shows how price and performance relate:
x is $, y is performance
Is this assumption correct, more or less?
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Not really. Price/performance between the 960 vs 970 is the same (at $200 vs $330). A lot of AMD's cards maintain rough price/performance all the way from low end stuff up to the 290 (their flagship)
For CPU's, 4690k and some stuff below it is good, but after that there's a price bump - then 4790k and 5820k are ~1.5x performance apart, but maybe even less than 1.5x cost.
Depending on your uses, price/performance could be not quite linear but surprisingly close from ~$400 all the way to ~$1k - 1.5k. Nothing like that curve, at least.
For laptops it's hard to measure because more expensive laptops are typically better built with better screens etc which is a huge part of the cost
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