Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread - Page 735

On May 24 2022 21:55 Cyro wrote:
Losing a memory channel due to messing up pins or having lopsided mounting pressure happens regularly, but that would take out two slots (like A2 + B2) at the same time. If only one of them is broke then maybe it's mobo.

On May 26 2022 06:40 SC-Shield wrote:
Of course, if it blocks dust that's also great.

On September 11 2021 11:54 MeSaber wrote:
Prebuilts arent as price bloated as shopping a discrete videocard. If you can find a good GPU in prebuilt you can go for that. I would post here before buying though to be sure you dont get something completely crazy 😂

If its really a new PC you want and money is an issue you could also save one more month or two and hope GPU prices are slightly lowered or raise your budget. GPU prices really are insane atm.

Dont Germany have something like pricerunner.com but for de?

Edit: https://geizhals.de/

CPU: https://geizhals.de/amd-ryzen-5-5600x-100-100000065box-a2392524.html
CPU-HS: https://geizhals.de/arctic-freezer-34-esports-duo-weiss-acfre00061a-a1973320.html
Mobo: https://geizhals.de/gigabyte-b550m-aorus-pro-p-a2420526.html
RAM: https://geizhals.de/corsair-vengeance-lpx-schwarz-dimm-kit-16gb-cmk16gx4m2e3200c16-a2059179.html (you could google here which are the best sticks for 5600x, preferrably 3600MHz as its been shown to have an improvement for cheap or same price, there are also Ryzen optimized sticks but thats not really necessary to get)

So these three(4) components are your brain (CPU,Mobo,RAM) and i wouldnt budge on these as they are currently the best of the best for cheap, roughly 260+130+70+40= €500. Thats ~$590

The optional way to go would be 11400F ($150) which can match 5600X but for a lot cheaper, it suffers from a very small L3 cache though, currently it seems like only Sweden have this cheap price so its currently not an option for you.

The reason you want 5600X as your minimum is when you later might buy a better GPU you will be bottlenecked by a worse CPU than if you went with the best option on the market right now. GPU prices will decline at some point and people will upgrade to even better or newer cards, if you then sit with a worse CPU your new GPU wont really help you. GPU performance ramps up pretty quickly through the years and it doesnt take long until CPU bottlenecks in some way (either by max frequency or amount of cores(6 as a minimum today)).

As for main storage you should utilize the M2 slot as it frees up space in your case and is a major speed boost compared to SATA for your OS and installed games/software.

M2SSD: https://geizhals.de/kingston-a2000-nvme-pcie-ssd-1tb-sa2000m8-1000g-a2112846.html

There might be better price/performance but of knowledge this SSD is superb in terms of cache storage AND speed. Google for performance numbers and compare sustained speeds, you should want a drive with sustained speeds for saving large projects.

Case: https://geizhals.de/phanteks-eclipse-p400a-schwarz-ph-ec400atg-bk-a2111434.html

Solid mesh case which needs an extra fan (move the rear fan to front and add an Arctic P12 to the rear) but after that its a performance winner. There are other mesh cases but not as good and cheap as this one. Check reviews on YT (Gamers Nexus).

PSU: https://geizhals.de/corsair-rmx-series-rm650x-2018-cp-9020178-eu-a1840338.html

With power we dont screw around. Here we go for quality over anything else and very thoroughly tested products.

GPU: ... What you are looking for: at least 6GB VRAM (which is pretty much any card 1660S and up) this has importance for newer games and their HD textures. You want a GPU with two(2) or more fans, two is optimal though and three fans usually have quite a markup for it ($75-150). It doesnt necessary make it that much better either, when it comes to cooling it is all about exchanging hot air for cool air, ie move air through your Case fast and keep your room as cool as possible.

What to skip: any card with one fan, their heatsink is usually too small for the performance of the GPU-unit.

Cards to consider:

1050Ti: ~€200, 4GB VRAM, 75W, double the performance of my own card 750Ti (i would be happy with this 😂) this is not a card for new games but it is at least usable in most games on lower settings in 1080p. Good to use until GPU prices drop.

1660Super: ~€450, 6GB VRAM, 125W, this card should in theory cost ~$200 now so yeah you can see how insane prices are from this. Double performance of 1050Ti, now you start being able to play stuff with somewhat reasonable settings instead of low. You might wanna use low in some FPS games to get 144Hz usable though, check YT per game per card to see performance numbers.

6600XT: ... ~€600, 8GB VRAM, ~160W, an ok card but more expensive than the performance it gives over 1660S. 21% difference is not worth it imo, go for 3060Ti as final card upgrade.

3060: ... ~€600, 12GB VRAM, 170W, this is imo a shit card and totally out of proportions of what is actually needed. You will never use this much VRAM (unless some niche case) and even if you did you will have zero FPS to utilize it properly.

3060Ti: ... ~€700, 8GB VRAM, 200W, 55% faster and 55% more expensive than 1660S. Get this if you want best performance on the market without destroying your wallet (3070Ti, 3080Ti etc...).

Possible higher cards: wait until prices drop.

https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/compare/GeForce-GTX-750-Ti-vs-GeForce-GTX-1050-Ti-vs-GeForce-GTX-1660-SUPER-vs-GeForce-RTX-3060-vs-GeForce-RTX-3060-Ti/2815vs3595vs4159vs4345vs4318

Conclusion being: look at used cards and have current insane prices in mind for what is a good deal. Dont buy any crap card. Check its power efficiency; perf/watt (very important to not kill your PSU) and compare performance per dollar. Also compare to what you are currently using if its twice as good or just slightly, maybe you need to wait until newer cards come out before its worth an upgrade. Upgrading for 20% better card is just meh.

Consider if you need 144 FPS (144Hz monitor) or just 60. If 60 its way easier to get away with just a few minor changes in graphics settings on nearly any card.

1440p is mainly for newer cards or RTS:ish games to get reasonable FPS.

https://www.mindfactory.de/shopping_cart.php/basket_action/load_basket_extern/id/3e45ad221f87655c09f566615933498990d5a5f63565be8603e

€ 1.458,93 , using the PC for say 5 years, roughly € 300 a year. Measily cost for a top notch computah

Edit: This just dropped for some extra info:

On July 05 2022 09:12 Cyro wrote:
Crap case/PSU named. The motherboard / RAM / SSD / HDD / GraphicsCard are not named but are instead using the cheapest thing that they happen to have.

Not worth buying something like that IMO, it's cheaper to buy it once rather than buy problem parts and replace later.

On July 05 2022 12:43 Simberto wrote:


To enforce that statement: I bought something like that once, with a "750W PSU". All other parts were named and of some quality.

Things ran well for a while, until i decided to upgrade my GPU. At that point, the PC would just randomly turn off. Sometimes immediately, sometimes after half an hour of load. If i tell you those two facts in combination, it is clear that they may be connected. It was not clear to me. I used an online calculator before the upgrade, and my parts were nowhere near the PSU limit, so i expected no problem in that regard.

Well, after months and months of searching for the problem, removing the CPU and reapplying heat paste, removing basically every part of the PC, running memtest a bunch of times, and generally lots of frustrating diagnosis efforts, i finally googled the actual name of my "750W PSU". Turns out that that piece of shit a) Actually had a peak power of 750W. Apparently you could only actually use half of the PSU at once, and the real long-term power it could supply was about 400W. It does not say that anywhere. It was just very shit. And b) a bunch of them actually caught fire.

So i exchanged the PSU and lived happily ever after. But that is just one cheap unnamed part. In your case, everything is cheap unnamed. Do not do this to you. Only buy prebuilt that tells you the names of all of the parts.

On July 05 2022 12:43 Simberto wrote:


To enforce that statement: I bought something like that once, with a "750W PSU". All other parts were named and of some quality.

Things ran well for a while, until i decided to upgrade my GPU. At that point, the PC would just randomly turn off. Sometimes immediately, sometimes after half an hour of load. If i tell you those two facts in combination, it is clear that they may be connected. It was not clear to me. I used an online calculator before the upgrade, and my parts were nowhere near the PSU limit, so i expected no problem in that regard.

Well, after months and months of searching for the problem, removing the CPU and reapplying heat paste, removing basically every part of the PC, running memtest a bunch of times, and generally lots of frustrating diagnosis efforts, i finally googled the actual name of my "750W PSU". Turns out that that piece of shit a) Actually had a peak power of 750W. Apparently you could only actually use half of the PSU at once, and the real long-term power it could supply was about 400W. It does not say that anywhere. It was just very shit. And b) a bunch of them actually caught fire.

So i exchanged the PSU and lived happily ever after. But that is just one cheap unnamed part. In your case, everything is cheap unnamed. Do not do this to you. Only buy prebuilt that tells you the names of all of the parts.

On July 07 2022 22:22 cazzsquatch wrote:
Ok. I will wait a few months and check back in on this forum again. Thanks for the tips everyone. What's a few more months after 20 years of waiting