EPTThe main concern would be if your CPU could run the games that you want to play at high enough framerates
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
The main concern would be if your CPU could run the games that you want to play at high enough framerates | ||
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DCLXVI
United States729 Posts
I'm having a hard time finding older cards that aren't used. I've never bought used hardware before, is it considered too risky? I'd prefer to buy new but since it is going into an old computer already maybe used is the better option? | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
I'm having a hard time finding older cards that aren't used That's because they're not produced any more, there's no point when newer cards are just flat out better and still work in older systems. You could use an rx470 instead of a 285 or a 380 for example. A lot of people buy used gpu's for price/perf but i'm not a fan of it because they break a lot more than some other components so having a decent warranty with a reputable brand carries a lot of value and a couple gens old card won't have that any more. If they're really strong price/perf and you're willing to risk the money then sure. | ||
NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
On March 26 2017 07:35 DCLXVI wrote: I have an old system I built about seven years ago. While it can still run the games I play the most (dota/overwatch), it struggles to play current single player games like Dark Souls III and newer. I am trying to figure out if I can get by for five or so more years with a new GPU or if there is no GPU that will fit my system that is worth upgrading to. I am looking to spend around $200 (in the US). This is not necessarily time sensitive, I could wait till better deals this summer or later. What is your current build? AMD Phenom II x6 1055T overclocked to 3.5GHz + cooler (CPU-Z says it is a 1050T but I don't think those exist?) Gigabyte GA-890GPA-UD3H motherboard Radeon HD 6850 20GB DDR3 ram + 1TB hard drive my moniter is running in 1360x768 currently - ASUS VK222H Black 22" 2 ms (GTG) HDMI Widescreen LCD Monitor - Maximum Resolution 1680 x 1050 Running Windows 7 x64 I have an old mid size Antec 300 case, the current GPU fits with not much room to spare. I would estimate there is 8.5in x 6in of space maximum without serious changes. My PSU (SeaSonic M12II 520 Bronze EVO Edition 520W) is connected to my GPU with a 6 pin (2x3) cable and there are only some 5 pin (5x1) connections unused on the PSU. Is this another issue I will run into looking to upgrade? Are there any more complications I need to look into like the connections between the board and the graphics card? Thanks for any help. https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814137082&cm_re=rx_480-_-14-137-082-_-Product - This is a pretty great deal, if you want to spend a little more an 8 gig card would be nice too | ||
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DCLXVI
United States729 Posts
Thanks for all your help. edit: This was directed at Cyro but I guess the same question to you November, do you like the MSI better than the other models? I can't figure out the difference since reviews and comparisions online are so varied. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
The 470 looks to be a tad cheaper than the 480 and a tad worse yup but there are half a dozen or more companies that make them? Gathered from a bunch of reviews of 480s people seems to like the saphire, asus strix, and the MSI but people are all over the place on what they like. How do you sort through all of them to find the proper one, or should I just find the best deal I can out of the highest recommended ones? There are reference models (designed by AMD) and others with custom pcb's and/or coolers by a range of different companies. They'll have different warranties, too. For these tier of cards you can generally buy for price/performance but it's worth taking note that some coolers will perform better (lower temperatures, less noise) than others, reviews will show that | ||
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NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
On March 26 2017 10:27 DCLXVI wrote: Ok the rx 470/480 looks to be in my price range and as far as I can tell most are compatible with what I have even if the spacing will be tight. One last question, how do I tell the different models apart? The 470 looks to be a tad cheaper than the 480 and a tad worse, but there are half a dozen or more companies that make them? Gathered from a bunch of reviews of 480s people seems to like the saphire, asus strix, and the MSI but people are all over the place on what they like. How do you sort through all of them to find the proper one, or should I just find the best deal I can out of the highest recommended ones? Thanks for all your help. edit: This was directed at Cyro but I guess the same question to you November, do you like the MSI better than the other models? I can't figure out the difference since reviews and comparisions online are so varied. I've never had a MSI GFX card, but I basically echo what Cyro said, each card has it's own oddities(coolers, designs, etc) it's all about reading the reviews. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On March 26 2017 07:35 DCLXVI wrote: I have an old system I built about seven years ago. While it can still run the games I play the most (dota/overwatch), it struggles to play current single player games like Dark Souls III and newer. I am trying to figure out if I can get by for five or so more years with a new GPU or if there is no GPU that will fit my system that is worth upgrading to. I am looking to spend around $200 (in the US). This is not necessarily time sensitive, I could wait till better deals this summer or later. What is your current build? AMD Phenom II x6 1055T overclocked to 3.5GHz + cooler (CPU-Z says it is a 1050T but I don't think those exist?) Gigabyte GA-890GPA-UD3H motherboard Radeon HD 6850 20GB DDR3 ram + 1TB hard drive my moniter is running in 1360x768 currently - ASUS VK222H Black 22" 2 ms (GTG) HDMI Widescreen LCD Monitor - Maximum Resolution 1680 x 1050 Running Windows 7 x64 I have an old mid size Antec 300 case, the current GPU fits with not much room to spare. I would estimate there is 8.5in x 6in of space maximum without serious changes. My PSU (SeaSonic M12II 520 Bronze EVO Edition 520W) is connected to my GPU with a 6 pin (2x3) cable and there are only some 5 pin (5x1) connections unused on the PSU. Is this another issue I will run into looking to upgrade? Are there any more complications I need to look into like the connections between the board and the graphics card? Thanks for any help. This post kind of makes me feel silly because I just pulled the trigger on some parts for a new build, and I'm going to end up spending well over 1k when I didn't really want to, and I'm upgrading from something better than you are (same Cpu though!). Have only a couple questions I'm going to post a little later since I've already made the decision on most of it unfortunately | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On March 26 2017 00:23 HiroPro wrote: I'm finally in a situation where buying a desktop makes sense, and I could use some help selecting the components. I can wait a little bit if it makes sense to do so, it's not an urgent need. What is your budget? about $1000. This is not a hard limit. What is your monitor's native resolution? 2160p (I'll be using my TV as the monitor). What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? Any new AAA games. It doesn't need to be at high settings or 60 fps. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Watching movies, general web browsing. Do you intend to overclock? Yes, if it is in the budget and will help performance. Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? No. Do you need an operating system? Yes. Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? I need a wireless keyboard+mouse, which should be part of the budget. If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. I'd like to place this computer in the entertainment stand under my TV, so it can't be very tall (I have about 12 inches of vertical space). I would prefer only an SSD for storage (it doesn't need to be very large, either 256 or 512GB should be fine). If going with the smaller SSD will allow for a better graphics card, then I'll go with the smaller one. What country will you be buying your parts in? USA If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. None. CPU: Intel Core i5-7500 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.89 @ Amazon) Motherboard: ASRock B250M Pro4 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($73.99 @ Amazon) Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2666 Memory ($109.99 @ Amazon) Storage: Crucial MX300 525GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($149.99 @ Amazon) Video Card: *MSI GeForce GTX 1070 ARMOR 8G OC ($380.00 @ Amazon) Case: Thermaltake Core V21 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($57.99 @ Amazon) Power Supply: Seasonic G SSR-550RM ($69.90 @ Amazon) Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($92.99 @ Amazon) Keyboard: Logitech K270 Keyboard ($28.99 @ Amazon) Total: $1163.72 This is the build that I have come up with. Does anyone see any obvious flaws or things I could improve? | ||
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sheaRZerg
United States613 Posts
I don't get anything to show up on the monitor with the new graphics card in. With no graphics card I can boot up using the onboard graphics just fine. I am trying to decide if the new card is just defective or if I have another issue. The new graphics card is: XFX RADEON RX 470 4GB RX-470P4LFB6 DDR5 And the rest: Kingston Digital 240GB SSDNow V300 SATA 3 2.5 Intel Core i5-2500 Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz SAPPHIRE 100314-3L Radeon HD 6870 1GB 256-bit Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit Seagate Barracuda ST500DM002 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache ASRock H61M/U3S3 LGA 1155 Intel H61 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s Antec NEO ECO 520C 520W Continuous Power Supply Team Elite 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
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sheaRZerg
United States613 Posts
On March 29 2017 16:10 Cyro wrote: You need to plug your screen into the display outputs on the new graphics card, it's a different slot on the back of the PC case. If you don't do that then the GPU will take over but have no screens connected so you won't see anything By this you just mean plugging the DVI cable to the slot in the pack of the graphics card instead of the one on the motherboard? I am encountering the blank screen with the DVI plugged into the graphics card. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
Pretty simple issues but very common | ||
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Simberto
Germany11804 Posts
On March 29 2017 08:35 HiroPro wrote: CPU: Intel Core i5-7500 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.89 @ Amazon) Motherboard: ASRock B250M Pro4 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($73.99 @ Amazon) Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2666 Memory ($109.99 @ Amazon) Storage: Crucial MX300 525GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($149.99 @ Amazon) Video Card: *MSI GeForce GTX 1070 ARMOR 8G OC ($380.00 @ Amazon) Case: Thermaltake Core V21 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($57.99 @ Amazon) Power Supply: Seasonic G SSR-550RM ($69.90 @ Amazon) Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($92.99 @ Amazon) Keyboard: Logitech K270 Keyboard ($28.99 @ Amazon) Total: $1163.72 This is the build that I have come up with. Does anyone see any obvious flaws or things I could improve? How certain are you that everything fits into that case? I think that the graphics card my be too big for such a small case. | ||
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bluegarfield
Singapore1128 Posts
On March 29 2017 19:22 Simberto wrote: How certain are you that everything fits into that case? I think that the graphics card my be too big for such a small case. case clearance for gpu: 350mm gpu length: 279mm I owned the case actually, and clearance for everything is pretty good. The case is bigger than you think. TBH it's not the most fun to work with though, the psu mount can be a bit weird. | ||
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sheaRZerg
United States613 Posts
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
I've already chosen most of my parts but essentially I'm trying now to decide mainly on CPU. I'm debating between i5 7600 and i7 7700. When I used to stream I did with a Radeon 5750, 720p at 30 FPS. Also couldn't stream anything more graphics intensive than a rock. (But srsly I could do LoL or something like Binding of Isaac without toooo many issues.) What I'd like to be doing now is 1080p at 60 FPS while streaming if at all possible. Stuff like Overwatch maybe, or Dark Souls 3 in the future. I won't be needing 120 FPS for competitive shooters or anything like that. I know that theoretically the i7 will always be better for this sort of thing but what I'm wondering is, practically/for my purposes is there a point in paying the extra money for the i7 vs the i5? (I'm trying to save money on an already fairly expensive build where I can) Any advice at all about what mistakes I'm making or what I'm doing horribly wrong is more than welcome. Here's the full build (minus MOBO and CPU). I know I'm omitting some of the more detailed names/specs on the parts but hopefully it's enough to get the point across without having to look the whole thing up while I'm at work MSI Radeon RX 480 8G Mushkin 2x8G RAM ADATA SSD 250GB Corsair 650W power supply Case --- I'm reusing my old one. It's monstrous and will fit absolutely anything, I already know that. Some Cooler Master monstrosity. (Potential MOBO: Asrock H270 Pro 4) | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
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Simberto
Germany11804 Posts
On March 30 2017 06:37 WaveofShadow wrote: So I'm trashing my old Phenom X6 1055T after the mobo and video card failed. I've already chosen most of my parts but essentially I'm trying now to decide mainly on CPU. I'm debating between i5 7600 and i7 7700. When I used to stream I did with a Radeon 5750, 720p at 30 FPS. Also couldn't stream anything more graphics intensive than a rock. (But srsly I could do LoL or something like Binding of Isaac without toooo many issues.) What I'd like to be doing now is 1080p at 60 FPS while streaming if at all possible. Stuff like Overwatch maybe, or Dark Souls 3 in the future. I won't be needing 120 FPS for competitive shooters or anything like that. I know that theoretically the i7 will always be better for this sort of thing but what I'm wondering is, practically/for my purposes is there a point in paying the extra money for the i7 vs the i5? (I'm trying to save money on an already fairly expensive build where I can) Any advice at all about what mistakes I'm making or what I'm doing horribly wrong is more than welcome. Here's the full build (minus MOBO and CPU). I know I'm omitting some of the more detailed names/specs on the parts but hopefully it's enough to get the point across without having to look the whole thing up while I'm at work MSI Radeon RX 480 8G Mushkin 2x8G RAM ADATA SSD 250GB Corsair 650W power supply Case --- I'm reusing my old one. It's monstrous and will fit absolutely anything, I already know that. Some Cooler Master monstrosity. (Potential MOBO: Asrock H270 Pro 4) With the Corsair Power supply, be careful. They have two lines, one of which is apparently very good (RMX, RMi), while the other (VS) is pretty meh. | ||
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Canada31495 Posts
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