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GinyuSC
United States63 Posts
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excal
Canada166 Posts
Thoughts? This is expected to be for double screen / 4k gaming. Need a pair of graphics card still, so many options....which 970 / 290 should I get? | ||
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URfavHO
United States514 Posts
according to this fellow, people don't actually use stock coolers on their graphics cards... seriously? his statement implies that a majority of people use water cooling on their cards. That can't possibly be correct, right? Poll: non stock cooler on your graphics card? (Vote): Stock Cooler | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25555 Posts
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Divine-Sneaker
Denmark1225 Posts
I'm not entirely in the loop when it comes to ram nowadays. It used to be that for the vast majority of users, it was the lowest of priorities to acquire anything but the desired amount of memory that was compatible with the motherboard. Is it still just about finding the cheapest set of 1600mhz ram I can dig up, or has anything changed that makes it more worthwhile to look into? | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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Divine-Sneaker
Denmark1225 Posts
A different point to this is also that I need to get low profile ram, since there's no room for shitty tall plastic because my cpu cooler takes up so much space. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On February 05 2015 10:04 URfavHO wrote: http://youtu.be/SsiHegrG3gs?t=5m26s according to this fellow, people don't actually use stock coolers on their graphics cards... seriously? his statement implies that a majority of people use water cooling on their cards. That can't possibly be correct, right? Poll: non stock cooler on your graphics card? (Vote): Stock Cooler What he probably meant (didn't watch the video) is that people generally use aftermarket cooling made by MSI, Gigabyte, ASUS, Sapphire instead of the garbage cooler made from AMD or the mediocre blower style cooler from Nvidia: e.g. top vs bottom: https://9to5mac.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/amd-radeon-hd-7970-angle.jpg http://s3.amazonaws.com/digitaltrends-uploads-prod/2014/05/Sapphire-AMD.jpg Edit: I'm surprised that he would recommend an R9 290X instead of R9 290. Oh and EVGA 600B power supply? hmm not sure how good those are, but I'm not sure they're that great. Capstone 450W or 550W would be good for NA; XFX Core 450W or 550W would be for Europe. Off the top of my head, best price / performance ratio. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
On February 05 2015 10:04 URfavHO wrote: http://youtu.be/SsiHegrG3gs?t=5m26s according to this fellow, people don't actually use stock coolers on their graphics cards... seriously? his statement implies that a majority of people use water cooling on their cards. That can't possibly be correct, right? Poll: non stock cooler on your graphics card? (Vote): Stock Cooler It could be more common than you think. Both my friend and I used NZXT Kraken brackets to install Corsair H55's to our Crossfired r9 270x's It was also worth it for noise and heat reduction IMO. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20322 Posts
 I going to be upgrading from 8gb ram to 16 very soon. I'm not entirely in the loop when it comes to ram nowadays. It used to be that for the vast majority of users, it was the lowest of priorities to acquire anything but the desired amount of memory that was compatible with the motherboard. Is it still just about finding the cheapest set of 1600mhz ram I can dig up, or has anything changed that makes it more worthwhile to look into? There's some performance gain in some engines from fast RAM if your CPU will run it well, equivalent to gaining ~200mhz on CPU OC or so. All of your RAM would need to be the same speed though, and they're very small gains relative to something like a CPU or GPU upgrade | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20322 Posts
On February 05 2015 07:24 excal wrote: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/yWK423 Thoughts? This is expected to be for double screen / 4k gaming. Need a pair of graphics card still, so many options....which 970 / 290 should I get? Samsung 840 and 840 EVO's are defective and often lose read speeds over time to the point of being slower than HDD's. Samsung has done a combination of pretending the problem doesn't exist, releasing a fix for one but not both of the SSD's that kinda but didn't really work, and then ignored the problem existing some more. The MX100 is good/affordable, usually not worth buying a 4790k unless you get a really nice cooler with it IMO. That motherboard also looks very expensive. No Define R5? For 290's i don't know much. I think the Sapphire Tri-x and vapor-x are good. The MSI lightning should be good too? Quite a few models with bad VRM cooling, and for a 290 it does matter. For 970's, Gigabyte G1 first pick (unless you wanna pay for blingy white HOF card), windforce and msi gaming next in line | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
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excal
Canada166 Posts
On February 05 2015 16:29 Cyro wrote: Samsung 840 and 840 EVO's are defective and often lose read speeds over time to the point of being slower than HDD's. Samsung has done a combination of pretending the problem doesn't exist, releasing a fix for one but not both of the SSD's that kinda but didn't really work, and then ignored the problem existing some more. The MX100 is good/affordable, usually not worth buying a 4790k unless you get a really nice cooler with it IMO. That motherboard also looks very expensive. No Define R5? For 290's i don't know much. I think the Sapphire Tri-x and vapor-x are good. The MSI lightning should be good too? Quite a few models with bad VRM cooling, and for a 290 it does matter. For 970's, Gigabyte G1 first pick (unless you wanna pay for blingy white HOF card), windforce and msi gaming next in line Updated: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/user/excalax/saved/gQRMnQ Not sure what a good idea would be for CPU and motherboard, I never really know what to get for those, since it never seems to be the bottleneck for my purposes anyways. I had wanted the R5 in white but that doesn't seem to be available in Canada, so I put it down in titanium for now. Any big difference in the R4/R5 to justify the diff? Price seems similar. (Except for R5 white in Canada which seems to be 100+ extra) Going to build the other 2 later today, would be really grateful for any thoughts! Thanks! | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20322 Posts
I'm not sure exactly of the r4 to r5 differences, but r5 is supposed to be newer+better afaik You need to care a lot about airflow with two GPU's of flagship level power consumption + heat output, especially if overclocking. Regardless of case used you need to specifically look at airflow and filling out the fan slots effectively | ||
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excal
Canada166 Posts
I'll probably try to make sure there's 2 fans that bring air in and through the case. Is that usually sufficient as long as I don't mess up the direction of the fans? | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20322 Posts
effective airflow is a huge concern when running sli/crossfire with GPU's of the power/heat of 290/780ti. It's still a big concern with 970's/980's even though they're a lot more efficient, especially if you want to OC GPUs | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On February 05 2015 19:37 excal wrote: Any big difference in the R4/R5 to justify the diff? Price seems similar. (Except for R5 white in Canada which seems to be 100+ extra) improvements from R4 to R5: - no more ugly grills - better front fan filter - better bottom fan filter - side panel latch system thingy - better dedicated SSD mounts - modular optical disk bay | ||
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St_Michael
United States73 Posts
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant CPU: Intel Core i5-4690 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($209.99 @ Newegg) CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($25.98 @ OutletPC) Motherboard: Asus Z87-Pro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($103.74 @ Newegg) Storage: Samsung 850 Pro Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($159.99 @ Amazon) Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 960 2GB Video Card ($213.98 @ Newegg) Case: Fractal Design Define R4 w/Window (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case ($107.99 @ SuperBiiz) Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($107.98 @ Newegg) Monitor: Asus PB287Q 60Hz 28.0" Monitor ($549.99 @ SuperBiiz) Wired Network Adapter: Intel EXPI9301CTBLK 10/100/1000 Mbps PCI-Express x1 Network Adapter ($23.99 @ SuperBiiz) Total: $1483.63 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-02-06 17:00 EST-0500 I want to play LoL and other random games that might look fun. For example, I would like to try Shadow of Mordor. I mostly only play LoL though. I like the retina display on macbook and new iMac so I wanted to get a monitor with a similar resolution... will that make a difference though on a computer not running OS X? Does the computer and games like LoL look any different on a 4k monitor, I don't really know how that all works. Also, I did not select any RAM, because I don't know what is a good choice - there is 1000s of options. Also, if anyone notices anything else wrong or out of place in my selections, please let me know. Thanks! | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On February 07 2015 07:01 yokcounty wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Hi - I am building a desktop and have made the following build: PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant CPU: Intel Core i5-4690 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($209.99 @ Newegg) CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($25.98 @ OutletPC) Motherboard: Asus Z87-Pro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($103.74 @ Newegg) Storage: Samsung 850 Pro Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($159.99 @ Amazon) Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 960 2GB Video Card ($213.98 @ Newegg) Case: Fractal Design Define R4 w/Window (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case ($107.99 @ SuperBiiz) Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($107.98 @ Newegg) Monitor: Asus PB287Q 60Hz 28.0" Monitor ($549.99 @ SuperBiiz) Wired Network Adapter: Intel EXPI9301CTBLK 10/100/1000 Mbps PCI-Express x1 Network Adapter ($23.99 @ SuperBiiz) Total: $1483.63 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-02-06 17:00 EST-0500 I want to play LoL and other random games that might look fun. For example, I would like to try Shadow of Mordor. I mostly only play LoL though. I like the retina display on macbook and new iMac so I wanted to get a monitor with a similar resolution... will that make a difference though on a computer not running OS X? Does the computer and games like LoL look any different on a 4k monitor, I don't really know how that all works. Also, I did not select any RAM, because I don't know what is a good choice - there is 1000s of options. Also, if anyone notices anything else wrong or out of place in my selections, please let me know. Thanks! Overclocking requires a K suffix processor. A Samsung 850 Pro is unnecessary for gaming purposes. A Crucial MX100 or MX200, would be within milliseconds of a Samsung 850 Pro when it comes to loading times but cost $50 less. A 750w power supply is unnecessary, 450w-550w is more than sufficient for a single GPU system. A wired network adapter is not necessary as all motherboards will come with an ethernet port. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20322 Posts
The hyper 212 at ~$20-25 was pretty nice and a highly recommended cooler for cheap or cool CPU's, but it's really overhyped (especially by novice overclockers) IMO and unsuitable for a 4690k. It sticks out as being cheap (and there is better stuff) when talking about a $1.5k build. A 750w power supply is unnecessary, 450w-550w is more than sufficient for a single GPU system. With a 960 and 4690k, if getting a high end GPU in the future wasn't a concern and good 350w units existed, they would be worth buying. Only a bit over half of the power consumption of a 980 at similar voltage Speaking of which, i just got my g1 980.. one of the most silly and expensive upgrades i have ever done, but hey reasons aside it has samsung memory and does ~1500 core 8000 memory kinda fine, but not 1550 or 8200. Cooler goes up to 4200rpm (lol) but minimum idle fan speed on the bios it shipped with is 1050rpm (actually it seems to go to 800 with custom fan curve, but i can't manually set it that low in AB). Allows applying 1.25v and the power limit is literally like 400 watts (427 i think), don't think i've seen it hit 70% (of 122%) at max voltage | ||
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