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Perfektion
Profile Joined December 2012
Sweden7 Posts
December 23 2012 22:39 GMT
#721
Hello! Im using OBS! Everytime I start my stream I get a fps drop. On "Encoding" I tried having "5" at "Quality Balance" I tried having "1000" at both but still getting a huge fps drop.

My PC is:

OCZ VERTEX PLUS ATA Device
8G RAM
Nvidia GeForce GTX 670
INTEL CORE i5-2500K CPU @ 3.30GHz

100mb internet aswell.

Im not very good on these kind of things so a idiot safe guide would be VERY appreciated!
If you need more information please tell me!

And Merry Christmas!




dinusty
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-24 02:10:56
December 23 2012 23:58 GMT
#722
Hey guys! hope everyone is having an awesome holiday!

I was wondering if there is a plugin for OBS for twitter auto posts? i cant seem to find anything about it in this thread or around the interwebs.

Any help would be much appreciated.


ChriseC
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany440 Posts
December 24 2012 03:10 GMT
#723
Hey
ive just tried the program and i just had to say WOW
everything is so easy to set up and everything looks so complete but simple alrdy
i have to thank u alot for creating this
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
December 24 2012 19:27 GMT
#724
Friend of mine is having an issue in OBS where his stream is getting dropped a lot. He will switch back over to Xsplit, where it will just work fine, go back to OBS and its taking a shitter again. Same servers are being connected to.

Also its not just a disconnect, sometimes OBS will just crash, also it will sometimes just not operate correctly (tons of dropped frames).

35/5 up and streaming at 2.8 up.

He is using an avermedia cap card.
twitch.tv/medrea
mrgoochio
Profile Joined April 2009
United States557 Posts
December 24 2012 20:40 GMT
#725
I've been having opposite issue using avermedia live gamer hd. xsplit has been crashing my computer (complete freeze black screen lockup or bsod) and OBS has been working no problem.

I can't get my audio to work via HDMI in a dual-pc stream setup with OBS though..
chengysogood
R1CH
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Netherlands10341 Posts
December 25 2012 01:24 GMT
#726
On December 25 2012 04:27 Medrea wrote:
Friend of mine is having an issue in OBS where his stream is getting dropped a lot. He will switch back over to Xsplit, where it will just work fine, go back to OBS and its taking a shitter again. Same servers are being connected to.

Also its not just a disconnect, sometimes OBS will just crash, also it will sometimes just not operate correctly (tons of dropped frames).

35/5 up and streaming at 2.8 up.

He is using an avermedia cap card.

If OBS is crashing he should post a log on the forums. Dropped frames sounds like he might be using an old version.
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Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-25 18:00:21
December 25 2012 04:05 GMT
#727
Ill ask for crash logs. The version he is using is from last week.

EDIT: Dont have crash logs.

Also the preview screen will sometimes go completely black. This has been happening for awhile I guess. The stream will keep working but the preview screen will break. It will fix itself when the stream restarts.
twitch.tv/medrea
skk7000
Profile Joined March 2007
United States23 Posts
December 25 2012 22:52 GMT
#728
Can someone please answer my stupid questions, I'm completely useless trying to figure this out:

1) I have .96 Mbps for upload speed so what do I need to input for max bitrate and buffer size and quality balance in "settings" in the "encoding" tab? I looked at the link that GTR provided but I also don't have a i3 or i5 or i7. Mine is a Quad-Core.

2) After I added my sources it says to click on "edit scenes" but it's not letting me click on it..it's just not a button

plz someone help i need it badly lol
Steelo_Rivers
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1968 Posts
December 26 2012 10:56 GMT
#729
On December 26 2012 07:52 skk7000 wrote:
Can someone please answer my stupid questions, I'm completely useless trying to figure this out:

1) I have .96 Mbps for upload speed so what do I need to input for max bitrate and buffer size and quality balance in "settings" in the "encoding" tab? I looked at the link that GTR provided but I also don't have a i3 or i5 or i7. Mine is a Quad-Core.

2) After I added my sources it says to click on "edit scenes" but it's not letting me click on it..it's just not a button

plz someone help i need it badly lol

You have to tell us your specs before we can help you.
ok
BforBrisk
Profile Joined December 2012
United States1 Post
Last Edited: 2012-12-26 11:54:42
December 26 2012 11:53 GMT
#730
Hello, I am no expert on setting for streaming so I've come here to ask for help. Here is my Speedtest and my spec's if someone could give the a list of settings that would specifically fit my PC and Connection based on resolution it would be much appreciated as I know nothing of how to do so.

The Setting I would be looking for will be for streaming League of legends.
If i could just get opinions on how to stream it also if i should use the game capture or just screen region.

http://www.speedtest.net/result/2395077174.png
Down: 36.28 Up:4.93 Ping:20ms
(This is to the nearest Server to the Twitch.tv server)


System Specs:

Processor: AMD FX(tm)-4170 Quad-Core Processor (4 CPUs), ~4.6GHz
Memory: 16384MB RAM
Card name: 2x Radeon HD 7700 Series Crossfired (1gb and 2gb)

beardybum
Profile Joined December 2012
United Kingdom3 Posts
December 26 2012 12:20 GMT
#731
Hi guys,
I randomly get massive frame rate drops whilst playing any game for longer than 5 ish mins. Sometimes before 5 mins, sometimes 10 mins plus, it varies. When I start streaming, I get a nice, steady framerate of about 50fps, its flawless... then it will randomly out of nowhere drop to 3 to 6 fps... and will last like this until the game is restarted.

Comp specs:
AMD FX 8120 8 Core processor
16GB Ram
1TB HD
Nvidia 560Ti gfx card 1GB

Internet:
50MB Download
20MB Upload

I Use OBS to stream, and I use 4500kbps bitrate and buffer size.
Quality: 10
x264 CPU Preset: very fast

(I want to stream in 1080p, and I want the quality to be nice, so i set it to very fast, (gets rid of pixells when moving around))

If anyone knows why this could be happening, and a possible fix, let me know!

Heres an example of the fps drops: http://www.twitch.tv/beardybum/b/350779606
skip to 3:52.

*Things I have tried*
Lowering the bitrate
Lowering the quality
Making the cpu preset superfast
Making OBS affinity all cores, and few cores

Thanks!
oui
Steelo_Rivers
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1968 Posts
December 26 2012 12:23 GMT
#732
On December 26 2012 20:53 BforBrisk wrote:
Hello, I am no expert on setting for streaming so I've come here to ask for help. Here is my Speedtest and my spec's if someone could give the a list of settings that would specifically fit my PC and Connection based on resolution it would be much appreciated as I know nothing of how to do so.

The Setting I would be looking for will be for streaming League of legends.
If i could just get opinions on how to stream it also if i should use the game capture or just screen region.

http://www.speedtest.net/result/2395077174.png
Down: 36.28 Up:4.93 Ping:20ms
(This is to the nearest Server to the Twitch.tv server)


System Specs:

Processor: AMD FX(tm)-4170 Quad-Core Processor (4 CPUs), ~4.6GHz
Memory: 16384MB RAM
Card name: 2x Radeon HD 7700 Series Crossfired (1gb and 2gb)


You will more than likely have a hard time streaming on an FX quad core (but then again, I used to stream on a Phenom II x3). You will want to try a lower resolution first. Assuming you're playing in 1080p, try streaming at 960x540 with quality at 8 and bitrate at 1000
ok
Steelo_Rivers
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1968 Posts
December 26 2012 12:26 GMT
#733
On December 26 2012 21:20 beardybum wrote:
Hi guys,
I randomly get massive frame rate drops whilst playing any game for longer than 5 ish mins. Sometimes before 5 mins, sometimes 10 mins plus, it varies. When I start streaming, I get a nice, steady framerate of about 50fps, its flawless... then it will randomly out of nowhere drop to 3 to 6 fps... and will last like this until the game is restarted.

Comp specs:
AMD FX 8120 8 Core processor
16GB Ram
1TB HD
Nvidia 560Ti gfx card 1GB

Internet:
50MB Download
20MB Upload

I Use OBS to stream, and I use 4500kbps bitrate and buffer size.
Quality: 10
x264 CPU Preset: very fast

(I want to stream in 1080p, and I want the quality to be nice, so i set it to very fast, (gets rid of pixells when moving around))

If anyone knows why this could be happening, and a possible fix, let me know!

Heres an example of the fps drops: http://www.twitch.tv/beardybum/b/350779606
skip to 3:52.

*Things I have tried*
Lowering the bitrate
Lowering the quality
Making the cpu preset superfast
Making OBS affinity all cores, and few cores

Thanks!

The cause of this (same reason that it happens with ffsplit) is that your bitrate is just to high. I also do not recommend doing 1080p on any FX chip simply because they have a hard enough time gaming alone. Add on the load of encoding and thats your cause for such an fps loss. Try lowering your bitrate to 2.5k (go down to 2k if you have the same issue) and work your way up until you start having issues again.
ok
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20323 Posts
December 26 2012 12:26 GMT
#734
^Check your temperatures (CPU)

Veryfast to fast wont help quality very much at all, its just placebo effect really. You get like 5% gains at a ton of CPU usage cost, so its basically not worth using it, and Superfast vs veryfast more than doubles the bitrate you need to encode at the same quality while only taking ~6% off the cpu load veryfast would use
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20323 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-26 12:32:24
December 26 2012 12:30 GMT
#735
The cause of this (same reason that it happens with ffsplit) is that your bitrate is just to high. I also do not recommend doing 1080p on any FX chip simply because they have a hard enough time gaming alone. Add on the load of encoding and thats your cause for such an fps loss. Try lowering your bitrate to 2.5k (go down to 2k if you have the same issue) and work your way up until you start having issues again.


I have to disagree with pretty much all of this - Bitrate wont affect your performance in an offline game. It can make the STREAM run at like 2fps or not at all, can disconnect you or give you extreme ping in an online game, but playing something like Far Cry 3 offline, you could drop every frame on the stream and not notice.

FX chips perform poorly in gaming because of their awful single threaded performance. They have more cores, and an 8xxx will have better encode performance than any i5, with the game also able to use less of the CPU's resources as an overall percentage - you can tackle even more aggressive stream settings. There should be no issues here for a 1920x1080p30 stream @veryfast, not even close.

Encoding in general, if you have a powerful CPU (i5/fx-8k) seems to have minimal if any performance impact on any game that wont use a large % of the CPU's resources. SC2 for example puts a modern i5 at 25-40% utilization at most, but CPU bottlenecks.

^Screen/game capture tends to hurt the performance of pretty much any game by a large margin, but if you are already capturing and hit the encode button (and start utilizing the cpu that encoding takes) then you dont see many if any changes in performance with such a system.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Steelo_Rivers
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1968 Posts
December 26 2012 12:54 GMT
#736
On December 26 2012 21:30 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
The cause of this (same reason that it happens with ffsplit) is that your bitrate is just to high. I also do not recommend doing 1080p on any FX chip simply because they have a hard enough time gaming alone. Add on the load of encoding and thats your cause for such an fps loss. Try lowering your bitrate to 2.5k (go down to 2k if you have the same issue) and work your way up until you start having issues again.


I have to disagree with pretty much all of this - Bitrate wont affect your performance in an offline game. It can make the STREAM run at like 2fps or not at all, can disconnect you or give you extreme ping in an online game, but playing something like Far Cry 3 offline, you could drop every frame on the stream and not notice.

FX chips perform poorly in gaming because of their awful single threaded performance. They have more cores, and an 8xxx will have better encode performance than any i5, with the game also able to use less of the CPU's resources as an overall percentage - you can tackle even more aggressive stream settings. There should be no issues here for a 1920x1080p30 stream @veryfast, not even close.

Encoding in general, if you have a powerful CPU (i5/fx-8k) seems to have minimal if any performance impact on any game that wont use a large % of the CPU's resources. SC2 for example puts a modern i5 at 25-40% utilization at most, but CPU bottlenecks.

^Screen/game capture tends to hurt the performance of pretty much any game by a large margin, but if you are already capturing and hit the encode button (and start utilizing the cpu that encoding takes) then you dont see many if any changes in performance with such a system.

You can disagree but i'm just answering from personal experience. I know that any 8xxx FX chip should have no problem with 1080p, but 1080p and SC2 will give you terrible performance. Sure the stream will be nice, but good luck getting past 125-150 supply.
ok
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34500 Posts
December 26 2012 13:04 GMT
#737
He has 20mbps upload and is only running a max bitrate of 4500, I'm not massively techie but that sounds fine to me.
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20323 Posts
December 26 2012 13:40 GMT
#738
On December 26 2012 21:54 LgNKami wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2012 21:30 Cyro wrote:
The cause of this (same reason that it happens with ffsplit) is that your bitrate is just to high. I also do not recommend doing 1080p on any FX chip simply because they have a hard enough time gaming alone. Add on the load of encoding and thats your cause for such an fps loss. Try lowering your bitrate to 2.5k (go down to 2k if you have the same issue) and work your way up until you start having issues again.


I have to disagree with pretty much all of this - Bitrate wont affect your performance in an offline game. It can make the STREAM run at like 2fps or not at all, can disconnect you or give you extreme ping in an online game, but playing something like Far Cry 3 offline, you could drop every frame on the stream and not notice.

FX chips perform poorly in gaming because of their awful single threaded performance. They have more cores, and an 8xxx will have better encode performance than any i5, with the game also able to use less of the CPU's resources as an overall percentage - you can tackle even more aggressive stream settings. There should be no issues here for a 1920x1080p30 stream @veryfast, not even close.

Encoding in general, if you have a powerful CPU (i5/fx-8k) seems to have minimal if any performance impact on any game that wont use a large % of the CPU's resources. SC2 for example puts a modern i5 at 25-40% utilization at most, but CPU bottlenecks.

^Screen/game capture tends to hurt the performance of pretty much any game by a large margin, but if you are already capturing and hit the encode button (and start utilizing the cpu that encoding takes) then you dont see many if any changes in performance with such a system.

You can disagree but i'm just answering from personal experience. I know that any 8xxx FX chip should have no problem with 1080p, but 1080p and SC2 will give you terrible performance. Sure the stream will be nice, but good luck getting past 125-150 supply.



Thats not gonna change. If you are running the game and capturing it at 1920x1080, it doesnt matter if you stream at 640x360, 960x540, 1280x720, 1920x1080 etc, the game performance will still be the same

^This is NOT a problem with the resolution or encoding being too much for the CPU, its simply a case of the game performance being awful and the performance penalties on the game running from capturing the screen or the game.

Game performance - game performance hits while capturing - encode performance

^Three factors that MUST be kept separately for an informed discussion.

I dont mean any offense or pretend to know a ton of shit, but ive done a lot of research and as it turns out 99.9% of the users of such streaming programs dont have anything close to an advanced understanding of how they work, how when or why games run like they do, or the capabilities of X cpu's accurately. There's also a lot of people posting a lot of inaccurate information, rarely from just not knowing any better, without being corrected, which creates an environment that is very difficult to learn in for people in general and discourages more advanced discussion
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
beardybum
Profile Joined December 2012
United Kingdom3 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-26 14:11:21
December 26 2012 14:10 GMT
#739
I've already tried lowering the bitrate, setting the cpu preset to default, but it keeps on doing it, its really, really odd :/ i've even tried 720p but it does it still, really stumped at this one... it runs absolutely fine with my current settings, and it looks great for 4 mins, then it just randomly lags like crazy, and will continue to do so until i restart OBS and the game... odd >< i think i'l look at temps when it happens, maybe its getting too hot or something, thanks for the advice guys!
oui
Risljaninasim
Profile Joined July 2011
Netherlands228 Posts
December 26 2012 15:58 GMT
#740
On December 26 2012 23:10 beardybum wrote:
I've already tried lowering the bitrate, setting the cpu preset to default, but it keeps on doing it, its really, really odd :/ i've even tried 720p but it does it still, really stumped at this one... it runs absolutely fine with my current settings, and it looks great for 4 mins, then it just randomly lags like crazy, and will continue to do so until i restart OBS and the game... odd >< i think i'l look at temps when it happens, maybe its getting too hot or something, thanks for the advice guys!


What about your ingame graphics settings?
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