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On August 15 2012 04:40 INCHymn wrote:Show nested quote + I recommend people try and get used to 800 or 1200 DPI for optimum RTS settings. Wth not true at all. You should increase your DPI to as fast as you can while maintaining accuracy. I use 3500 DPI perfectly fine without any accuracy issues. I increased it gradually over time. I have always used it that high for SC2 and I'm masters league. Its also much better for your wrist if you minimize the amount you have to move it.
You can NEVER "maintain accuracy", you will lose either precision or take longer at higher sensitivities, especially at levels like that, did you try clicking on a ling running on creep, clicking on it, not boxing? That will ALWAYS be easier at lower sensitivity levels when you are comparing "high" as 2k+ DPI
Are you using 51+% sens in game? 6/11+ in Windows? No acceleration, negative or positive? Maybe your mouse sensor has some? You gave very few details but the idea of playing at 3500DPI in sc2 and trying to micro seems like hell to me, if its even possible to a good level
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On August 15 2012 05:09 dicedicerevolution wrote:
I'm just curious, when is adding weights a desirable thing?
To add more resistance to mouse movement, can help with accuracy
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I don't know any FPS players who play over 800 dpi
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I bought one of these not long ago, and found it impossible to work with. If you lift the mouse up off the mouse pad slightly and set it down (not unreasonable if you are one to adjust your mouse while you play) it takes about a half second to reinitialize during which it doesn't work. A quick search on their support forums let me realize this wasn't an isolated issue and LOTS of people have the same problem ( http://forum.thermaltake.com/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=9036&sid=352877721c78885ee9a06befb114dab6 ). ThermalTake was very understanding and let me return it no problem, as there was (and to my knowledge still isn't) a solution to this issue.
I love WhiteRa and ThermalTake (have the Level 10 GT case liquid cooled) so was excited to have a matching mouse (and bought the white Keyboard too with MX Black keys), and also the White-Ra mousepad. Since I couldn't use the mouse, I returned the Keyboard and Mouse (but kept the mousepad, because come on, it's WhiteRa!).
I'm back to using my Razer BlackWidow Ultimate (I like MX Blue keys more anyway) and Razer Imperator Mouse.
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On August 15 2012 04:40 INCHymn wrote:Show nested quote + I recommend people try and get used to 800 or 1200 DPI for optimum RTS settings. Wth not true at all. You should increase your DPI to as fast as you can while maintaining accuracy. I use 3500 DPI perfectly fine without any accuracy issues. I increased it gradually over time. I have always used it that high for SC2 and I'm masters league. Its also much better for your wrist if you minimize the amount you have to move it.
THIS is not true . i got arm problems after holding my mouse tight @ 3200 dpi for 2 years . dont listen to this guy . and your accuracy suck i got 50% accuracy improve after 1 month with 800 dpi down from 3200.
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Aaaaah I'm not usually not one to criticize but this review made me cringe as soon as it started talking about DPI. 3500 DPI is already excessive for most uses, but then the reviewer suggests FPS players may want MORE?
There's little mention of tracking either, even though a quick search on OCN indicates that the mouse has angle-snapping enabled by default, for instance. Is it possible to disable it?
I'm sorry but this kind of review is why mouse manufacturers keep giving us mice with ever higher DPI and more pretty lights instead of focusing on what actually matters to serious gamers. This really makes me hope that bst's project is a runaway success.
Again, I hate forum drama but I feel I must voice my discontent here. This is not a serious mouse review.
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I have a tte black element mouse. Its a good mouse and it doesnt haven angle snapping and works well on my cloth mousepads. BUT the sensor is quite high up in the mouse. Just something to keep in mind with when you buy the mouse cos it is different.
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It looks like a solid mouse. A great buy too!
But one thing many people don't consider and the reason I wouldn't buy it is because of the opening on the optical area. It would make it a nightmare for curly hair getting stuck in it.
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On August 15 2012 08:12 xsnac wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 04:40 INCHymn wrote: I recommend people try and get used to 800 or 1200 DPI for optimum RTS settings. Wth not true at all. You should increase your DPI to as fast as you can while maintaining accuracy. I use 3500 DPI perfectly fine without any accuracy issues. I increased it gradually over time. I have always used it that high for SC2 and I'm masters league. Its also much better for your wrist if you minimize the amount you have to move it. THIS is not true . i got arm problems after holding my mouse tight @ 3200 dpi for 2 years . dont listen to this guy . and your accuracy suck i got 50% accuracy improve after 1 month with 800 dpi down from 3200.
"It's much better for your wrist if you minimize the amount you have to move it" -- extrapolating this idea, it's like saying people are healthier the less they move their bodies. This is obviously not true, since being sedentary will basically make your life shit and kill you faster. Not only is it healthier to create a greater range of motion in whatever parts of your body move to control the computer, it's going to be easier to be precise on the screen the more physical space alotted to each pixel. Think about threading a needle -- the bigger the eye of the needle, the easier it is to thread. This has to be within reason, though, since you need to be able to move your mouse across your entire screen. If a single pixel corresponded to a 1cmX1cm square in physical space, that would mean you'd need a 20 meter by 11 meter mousepad for a 1080p monitor.
People use different grips for mice. I don't understand how anyone uses anything but a fingertip grip since I've been doing it for 15 years, and using that grip I'd encourage people to try and have as much lateral wrist movement as possible -- however, the limitation is usually the Y axis with a fingertip grip in any reasonable range of lateral wrist movement so it doesn't matter.
The DPI you need depends on your resolution. I use 900dpi with 1080p, if I dropped down to a monitor which used 720p I'd obviously need less DPI on my mouse. Trying to be open minded, I think the maximum reasonable dpi anyone could want is about 150-200% of their vertical resolution (so at 1080p, lets call this about 1800dpi). With a fingertip grip I could see someone going as low as 50-60% of the vertical resolution (so lets call this about 600dpi). Outside of this range is pointless.
This of course assumes you are either in windows, SC2, LoL, or some other game where there is a "canvas" you don't move out from. While I understand that many FPS players also prefer rather low dpi, something to keep in mind is that there is no "canvas" in an fps game, you can continue to move your mouse to the right until you've done a complete 360, and then continue to move right still. This makes LoD a factor(lift off distance -- someone lifts his mouse off the mat and replaces it so he can re-center his wrist/hand/arm as well as the mouse on the mousepad) which we wouldn't really have in SC as well as creating different demands for sensitivity.
Regardless, it's pretty reasonable to say that large DPI is a marketing sham. It's a nice feature if you have several dpi jumps in the reasonable range (say if you could choose 400, 500, etc. all the way up to 1800) but honestly I think even the negative effect of interpolating (within reason -- like doubling) is overblown.
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Too bad this mouse has prediction.
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On August 15 2012 14:58 Limniscate wrote:
Too bad this mouse has prediction.
Ouch. This kills the mouse. :<
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I've used this mouse before and it felt pretty good. I didn't use it in game so I can't really comment on that XD
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1080p resolution, 51% sensitivity, no accel, 2600 DPI here. I find that going to 3000+ makes SC2 more difficult.
There's other factors to consider of course. I use a relatively big mouse (SS Ikari) with a palm grip and on a cloth surface, so there's relatively much pressure on the mouse and much resistance when moving it around. With the Saphira, claw grip and a teflon surface I'd probably drop the DPI further down.
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I personally use logitech g9x at 3500 dpi, 51% sc2 settings at a high master level.Playing with below 1000 dpi is pretty ridiculous as your movements become way too slow and requires too much hand movement unless you play at like below 100apm
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On August 16 2012 07:25 Ohnoes02 wrote:
I personally use logitech g9x at 3500 dpi, 51% sc2 settings at a high master level.Playing with below 1000 dpi is pretty ridiculous as your movements become way too slow and requires too much hand movement unless you play at like below 100apm
You are the exception, not the rule. 3.5k is extremely high
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I wish more people would read my article... t.t
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On August 16 2012 07:25 Ohnoes02 wrote:
I personally use logitech g9x at 3500 dpi, 51% sc2 settings at a high master level.Playing with below 1000 dpi is pretty ridiculous as your movements become way too slow and requires too much hand movement unless you play at like below 100apm
IMMVp plays with 800 dpi, nuff said.
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... I play with 4500 dpi, 51% and feel really good with that ... I cannot imagine how someone plays with 800 ^.^ its just so slow lol
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On August 17 2012 05:18 EuSpex wrote:
... I play with 4500 dpi, 51% and feel really good with that ... I cannot imagine how someone plays with 800 ^.^ its just so slow lol
Easier to micro, trust me.
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Easier to micro, trust me.
maybe in some situations it is more useful but I'm just used to it and get very accurate klicks off.
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