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Hello,guys i am a brood war player that wants to start playing sc2 but i must 1st of all get a new pc.I have chosen 4 configurations which i will post here.Can you guys tell me which pc will run starcraft better than the other pc's and on what graphics settings.
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CPU- INTEL DUAL-CORE E3400 2x2.6GHz
MB INTEL G41 DUAL DDR3, PCI-EX, 6CH, LAN
RAM- 4 GB DDR3
HDD -500 GB SAMSUNG SATA II
VGA-NVIDIA GeForce GT 520 1GB
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Motherboard-A75 FCH Chipset FM1
CPU - X3 A6 3500 3x2.1GHz FM1
RAM8-1333 DDR3 !
Video Card- Radeon HD 6410D 2048MB DDR3
HDD- 500 GB SATA 3
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Motherboard- Intel H61
CPU- Intel G530 2х 2400MHz
RAM - 4-1333 DDR3
Video Card - GT 520 2048DDR3 HDMI
HDD-1000Gb 7200 Sata3
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MotherBoard- A75 FCH Chipset FM1 Sata 3, USB3!
CPU - X3 3500 3x2.1GHz FM1
RAM - 8-1333 DDR3
Video Card - Radeon HD 6410D 1024MB DDR3
HDD - 1000Gb 7200 Sata3
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If these are prebuilts I hope you don't consider any of them.
You can build a system for about $400-$450 that'll run SC2 fairly well.
but out of those, option 3 is the closest to an SC2 machine
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option 3 by far but if these are prebuilt, you should really reconsider.
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Option 3 is the only one that has a CPU that is not terrible intel celeron G530 but the graphics cards in everyone of those systems is the lowest of the low.
If those are the graphics card available then you are better off buying a COMPUTER then installing your own garphics card
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hmm what about this
CPU-Intel Pentium 2x2.7
RAM-ddr 3 2x2 GB
HDD-1 TB
Video Card-AMD HD6570 1GB DDR3 ?
Is this machine better than #3 ?
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On June 18 2012 20:13 t0ssboy wrote:
hmm what about this
CPU-Intel Pentium 2x2.7
RAM-ddr 3 2x2 GB
HDD-1 TB
Video Card-AMD HD6570 1GB DDR3 ?
Is this machine better than #3 ?
Yes, its a lot better.
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Whats your budget for this new PC? Based on that we can suggest the best PC for your money :-)
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550-600 BGN which is like 300-350 $ or something
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Isn't 2+ cores basically pointless for StarCraft 2? I remember reading sc2 doesn't care if you have 3 or 4 cores. I may be wrong tho.
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On June 18 2012 20:13 t0ssboy wrote:
hmm what about this
CPU-Intel Pentium 2x2.7
RAM-ddr 3 2x2 GB
HDD-1 TB
Video Card-AMD HD6570 1GB DDR3 ?
Is this machine better than #3 ?
If that CPU is an Intel G630, then yes, this system is going to be your best bet out of all you've listed so far.
Yes, (Intel) dual-cores are the most optimal option for SC2.
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@Above:
It's worth noting that all that means is if ONLY have sc2 running then it won't run too much faster to have more cores.
But it'll still be faster, and especially if you wanna run anything in the background.
Really though, I'd at least try to get an i3 if you wanna get a new PC.
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A Core i3 is going to run faster than a G630 for SC2, yes. But not much faster than a G840-850, which are cheaper. He obviously has a small budget, so I don't understand what you're suggestion.
Also, a Core i5 (quad-core) is not going to run much faster than a Core i3 (dual-core) for everyday tasks. So, I unless I'm not understanding your post (which I understand to be that you can benefit from having quad-core for SC2 for other tasks running in the background), that is just wrong.
I mean, if you're running iTunes and SC2, a dual-core will suffice. I don't know who would run 3DMark and play SC2 at the same time.
In any case, all of that is irrelevant if he can only afford a cheap computer because you have to do with what you got. In this case, if all he can afford a G620 + HD 6570, that is much better than all of the other crap he's posted.
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On June 19 2012 00:32 jacosajh wrote:
I don't know who would run 3DMark and play SC2 at the same time.
That sounds like fun, actually.
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http://www.google.co.uk/products/catalog?hl=en&q=i3&psj=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&biw=1360&bih=673&wrapid=tlif134003367993410&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=10566183599644360965&sa=X&ei=kUrfT5i2L8ayhAf_5syACg&ved=0CG8Q8wIwAw
If he wants a cheap processor, I don't see why he wouldn't save up or whatever and at least get an i3.
And what I said was pretty self explanatory...multiple cores don't help much for gaming alone, but it does give you an overall faster and more capable computer.
If he wants a cheap sc2 PC, he should get say, A gtx 460 and an I3 unlocked, should be about $250 for the gpu and processor and would run sc2 fine... if he added a $80 case, a $30 aftermarket CPU, a $100 mobo and a $80 PSU, he could have an overclockable mini-beast with a PSU, case and cooler he can use in the future for like $500 at good prices, or he could keep all that shit "stock" and get the build within his original budget.
User was warned for suggesting that the OP purchase an unreleased i3
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His budget is $300-350. Why are you're asking him to increase his budget by 50% or more? He was looking at a Celeron G530 for goodness' sake.
No, multiple cores (outside of dual-core) don't give you a faster and more capable computer. Also, a G850 and Core i3 are going to be identical for SC2. The only thing the Pentuim's don't have that Core's do, is hyperthreading, which is useless for everyday tasking and SC2.
An $80 PSU (and case) is dumb and unnecessary for a budget computer, even one using a GTX 460 and i3.
AFAIK there is no unlocked i3 CPU. Which is related to the $30 aftermarket CPU cooler (I'm assuming you forgot the word "cooler").
Doing the math on your build, it's actually $540, and doesn't include a HDD which would be around another $70-80; doubling his budget -_-
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On June 19 2012 00:50 jacosajh wrote:
AFAIK there is no unlocked i3 CPU. Which is related to the $30 aftermarket CPU cooler (I'm assuming you forgot the word "cooler")
There isn't any i3 processors that are unlocked. I don't think you'd even gain a noticable amount of performance even if you could OC.
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Well apparently, there is going to be an i3 that can be unlocked soon. Or already is unlocked.
But yeah, I do agree. An i3 + CPU cooler + extra motherboard cost is already going to bring you well within the range of an i5.
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On June 19 2012 00:50 jacosajh wrote:
His budget is $300-350. Why are you're asking him to increase his budget by 50% or more? He was looking at a Celeron G530 for goodness' sake.
No, multiple cores (outside of dual-core) don't give you a faster and more capable computer. Also, a G850 and Core i3 are going to be identical for SC2. The only thing the Pentuim's don't have that Core's do, is hyperthreading, which is useless for everyday tasking and SC2.
An $80 PSU (and case) is dumb and unnecessary for a budget computer, even one using a GTX 460 and i3.
AFAIK there is no unlocked i3 CPU. Which is related to the $30 aftermarket CPU cooler (I'm assuming you forgot the word "cooler").
Doing the math on your build, it's actually $540, and doesn't include a HDD which would be around another $70-80; doubling his budget -_-
You can OC with a locked processor
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On June 19 2012 01:55 EnE wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 00:50 jacosajh wrote:
His budget is $300-350. Why are you're asking him to increase his budget by 50% or more? He was looking at a Celeron G530 for goodness' sake.
No, multiple cores (outside of dual-core) don't give you a faster and more capable computer. Also, a G850 and Core i3 are going to be identical for SC2. The only thing the Pentuim's don't have that Core's do, is hyperthreading, which is useless for everyday tasking and SC2.
An $80 PSU (and case) is dumb and unnecessary for a budget computer, even one using a GTX 460 and i3.
AFAIK there is no unlocked i3 CPU. Which is related to the $30 aftermarket CPU cooler (I'm assuming you forgot the word "cooler").
Doing the math on your build, it's actually $540, and doesn't include a HDD which would be around another $70-80; doubling his budget -_- You can OC with a locked processor
Not significantly with SB, since the Bclock is tied into a lot of things, and you said an "unlocked i3" which doesn't exist. So unless you're suggesting he buy some obsolete pile of 1156 shit so that he can have a higher clock on a worse architecture...
Either way, it's bad advice. Especially on a really low budget. As it turns out, you save more face by admitting you made a mistake than by arguing in favor of an incorrect point.
At his budget range, overclocking with current generation parts is a luxury he can't afford, unless he's willing to sacrifice performance just to say he did it.
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On June 19 2012 01:55 EnE wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 00:50 jacosajh wrote:
His budget is $300-350. Why are you're asking him to increase his budget by 50% or more? He was looking at a Celeron G530 for goodness' sake.
No, multiple cores (outside of dual-core) don't give you a faster and more capable computer. Also, a G850 and Core i3 are going to be identical for SC2. The only thing the Pentuim's don't have that Core's do, is hyperthreading, which is useless for everyday tasking and SC2.
An $80 PSU (and case) is dumb and unnecessary for a budget computer, even one using a GTX 460 and i3.
AFAIK there is no unlocked i3 CPU. Which is related to the $30 aftermarket CPU cooler (I'm assuming you forgot the word "cooler").
Doing the math on your build, it's actually $540, and doesn't include a HDD which would be around another $70-80; doubling his budget -_- You can OC with a locked processor
Then why spend $20+ more on a motherboard capable of overclocking and ~$30 on a CPU cooler to get a ~300Mhz overclock? Especially if what you say is true about quad-cores (which it isn't); with all that added costs, you're well within the price range of a Core i5.
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300 mhz overclock? I'm on a locked phenom II right now and have it clocked up from 2.6 to 3.2 without breaking a sweat.
User was warned for this post
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Is this a bad time to point out the Phenom 2 and i3 are actually completely fucking different?
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On June 19 2012 02:43 EnE wrote:
300 mhz overclock? I'm on a locked phenom II right now and have it clocked up from 2.6 to 3.2 without breaking a sweat.
A Core i3 2100 (or 2120, etc) can't be overclocked like a Phenom II. Even using a P67/Z68, I've read of other issuese that more than offset the overclocking gains. Simply put, an overclocked i3 2100 shouldn't be a suggestion.
I should've known as soon as you said more cores = more faster = more better that you were an AMD user 
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I think i can build a pc with these configs.
MB : ASROCK H61M-ITX, H61, DDR III 1333/1066, VGA, DVI, HDMI, SATA II, USB 3.0, GLAN, eSATA, LGA1155
CPU : PENTIUM DUAL CORE G860, 3.00GHz, 3MB, BOX, LGA1155
GPU : SAPPHIRE 1024M HD6770 DDR 5 HDMI PCI-E
RAM : KINGSTON 2 x 2GB DDR III 1333 HyperX
is it any better than these pc's.What Settings will sc2 run on it ?
tHANKS IN ADVANCE
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On June 19 2012 03:07 t0ssboy wrote:
I think i can build a pc with these configs.
MB : ASROCK H61M-ITX, H61, DDR III 1333/1066, VGA, DVI, HDMI, SATA II, USB 3.0, GLAN, eSATA, LGA1155
CPU : PENTIUM DUAL CORE G860, 3.00GHz, 3MB, BOX, LGA1155
GPU : SAPPHIRE 1024M HD6770 DDR 5 HDMI PCI-E
RAM : KINGSTON 2 x 2GB DDR III 1333 HyperX
is it any better than these pc's.What Settings will sc2 run on it ?
tHANKS IN ADVANCE
Between high and ultra. It's an excellent cheap config.
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btw will it lag on high in the 200/200 battles ?
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The G860 will run SC2 just as well as a Core i3 2100.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/289?vs=404
The HD 5770 is about the most you'd need for SC2 at 1080p.
Lag is a relative term (all CPUs will stutter at times for SC2), but no you won't have problem running SC2 200/200 on that configuration.
It should run everything comfortably at Ultra or near Ultra depending on your expectations.
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ok last question... As i said im a BW guy so i would love to be able to stream it also will i be able to stream sc2 on lowest settings+music
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I don't think it's even worth trying to stream SC2 with a dual core (even if it is an i3 2100/G860).
What you could do is get a cheaper graphics card and play on a lower resolution/settings, and bump up your CPU to a quad core. This would make more sense than lowering all of your gameplay AND stream settings. At least this way, all you would lose out on is the graphics-end.
You would be able to stream BW on a G860 fairly well though.
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To answer the question directly:
Either the first (most likely) or the sencond. It really depnds on the processor for sc2. But to be honest, you´ll not be very happy in a few years with those pc´s. so here´s a little heads up on what I would look for:
(p.s.: I hope it helps :/ )
fyi minimum requierments are:
DIrectX9 OS
2,6 GHz Pentium 4 or equivalent
128MB PCIe Nvidia Geforce 6600 or Radeon 9800 Pro
So how about this:
Motherboard: multiple PCIe spots, DDR3, Either AMD (For FX-Series) or Intel Sockets (For Sandybrige-E Series)
USB 3.0, S-ATA 3
Graphicscard: The 460GTX from Nvidia is pretty neat and costefficient, or the 6950 is good too (Either of those are way over the necessary, but if you want to play like BF3...). But you can go for older way cheaper cards like the 260GTX or the HD5770!
Processor: I highly recommend a good proccesor since SC2 really gets them going (espacially if you want to stream your games at some point). Good Processors are for example FX-8120 (8cores, -> good for streaming and overclocking) or the i7-2600K (Powerful -> good for streaming as well!)
Other Hardware: You´ll be fine with normal HDD harddrive, but a SSD brings you faster loading times.
As for your memory, g.Skill is a quality brand for DDR3 ram and it´s sponsor for te GSL :D (or was, dunno now)
Edit: Pay attention to the socket for the processors, different processor often means different socket. Not all processors fit on all sockets!
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On June 19 2012 03:36 t0ssboy wrote:
ok last question... As i said im a BW guy so i would love to be able to stream it also will i be able to stream sc2 on lowest settings+music
You'll want a quad-core CPU as opposed to a dual-core. That way SC2 won't be so stressed if you are streaming. SC2 only utilizes 2 cores, but put that on top with streaming it's better to have quad instead. But alongside to that you should make sure your internet is good enough to stream as well. No sense in getting a better CPU if your internet is too slow.
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On June 19 2012 03:48 Damnight wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
To answer the question directly:
Either the first (most likely) or the sencond. It really depnds on the processor for sc2. But to be honest, you´ll not be very happy in a few years with those pc´s. so here´s a little heads up on what I would look for:
(p.s.: I hope it helps :/ )
fyi minimum requierments are:
DIrectX9 OS
2,6 GHz Pentium 4 or equivalent
128MB PCIe Nvidia Geforce 6600 or Radeon 9800 Pro
So how about this:
Motherboard: multiple PCIe spots, DDR3, Either AMD (For FX-Series) or Intel Sockets (For Sandybrige-E Series)
USB 3.0, S-ATA 3
Graphicscard: The 460GTX from Nvidia is pretty neat and costefficient, or the 6950 is good too (Either of those are way over the necessary, but if you want to play like BF3...). But you can go for older way cheaper cards like the 260GTX or the HD5770!
Processor: I highly recommend a good proccesor since SC2 really gets them going (espacially if you want to stream your games at some point). Good Processors are for example FX-8120 (8cores, -> good for streaming and overclocking) or the i7-2600K (Powerful -> good for streaming as well!)
Other Hardware: You´ll be fine with normal HDD harddrive, but a SSD brings you faster loading times.
As for your memory, g.Skill is a quality brand for DDR3 ram and it´s sponsor for te GSL :D (or was, dunno now)
Edit: Pay attention to the socket for the processors, different processor often means different socket. Not all processors fit on all sockets!
Spoilered to keep the pain and suffering to a minimum. An i7 or FX 8120 for SC2 on a ~$350 budget? Riiight. And of course, since SC2 only uses TWO threads, why would you suggest an i7 or 8120 when an i5 will stream 720p?
An SSD? Also not exactly in his budget. Just like multiple PCIe slots. USB 3 and SATA 3 aren't going to have any effect for his budget either.
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Streaming SC2 at a decent quality seems out of range for you. I looked at what a phenom II x6 build would cost from hardwareversand.de, the cheapest way I could think of to get a powerful streaming rig for you. It came to about 450 euros, or a little under 900 Bulgarian... lev?
That was with case, psu, hdd, processor, mobo, 8gb of ram, graphics card. But NOT windows, keyboard, mouse, speakers, montior. And of course building the computer yourself.
Building your own cheap intel g620 rig would be (from the same site) about 325 euros, or about 635 bgn. (same components as above but only 4gb of ram).
Now maybe taxes would be lower for you or you can find cheaper components in bulgaria, but should give you about the cost of building your own computer. Now if option III or this:
+ Show Spoiler +On June 18 2012 22:52 jacosajh wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 20:13 t0ssboy wrote:
hmm what about this
CPU-Intel Pentium 2x2.7
RAM-ddr 3 2x2 GB
HDD-1 TB
Video Card-AMD HD6570 1GB DDR3 ?
Is this machine better than #3 ? If that CPU is an Intel G630, then yes, this system is going to be your best bet out of all you've listed so far. Yes, (Intel) dual-cores are the most optimal option for SC2.
is under your budget and comes with windows, that seems like the way to go for playing smoothly at your budget. But streaming won't really be possible with those computers.
If you consider building your own computer, think a bit harder about purpose and budget, and get back to us with where you'd buy from (price list from bulgaria, or a website), what parts you need & dont' need, and we'll help you out with specific part recommendations. In the states I'd probably be recommending you look into buying a used Phenom II x6 rig from someone upgrading, preferably one with considerable overclock potential as a way to keep under budget. But I'm not sure if you have access to a reliable used market.
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Isnt amd cpu's horrible for starcraft? I have 1055T OC and 3v3 ja even 2v2 games drops fps weeeel under 60, even like 10fps in 4v4 games.
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They're not as good as Intel, no. But they should do 1v1 pretty well if overclocked & 2v2 should be smooth most of the time. Yeah, in late team games they'll slow down worse than Intel, but the point was streaming 1v1 & maybe 2v2. One of AMD's few benefits is lots of cores for the money, which really helps streaming (even if it's bad for SC2 compared to Intel when not streaming).
Your 1055t may not play SC2 as well as, say, an i5-2500k. But it can play SC2 & stream it at the same time about as well as an i5-2500k. Or so I've been told. I don't actually stream myself. I just play SC2 so I bought a g840. But it makes sense... streaming can use the otherwise unused cores. The idea being after SC2 uses up 2 cores, you have 4 spare on the Phenom II x6, vs 2 spare on the i5. The i5 has to steal from the 2 cores running SC2 to power the stream, whereas the Phenom II does not, making up the difference.
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my 1090t can stream 1080p sc2 np while playing on ultra 1v1, just gotta set the cores and it's fine
problem is teamgames, i play on low anyways (i can't appreciate good graphics in RTS, only FPS or RPG), and 2v2 is np, only in 3v3 and 4v4 does it get a bit chopy sometimes (but i don't mind, i almost only play 2v2's now anyways)
but i don't understand anyways why people are talking about this now in this thread??
for streaming i5 is just the way to go now, no reason anymore to go phenom2 unless for an "upgrade"
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On June 19 2012 07:27 Rachnar wrote:
but i don't understand anyways why people are talking about this now in this thread??
for streaming i5 is just the way to go now, no reason anymore to go phenom2 unless for an "upgrade"
The thread was derailed over one poster; nothing more than that.
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*shrug* Jingle or someone was telling me that streaming SC2 was one of the few things where a Phenom II x6 could compete directly with the i5-2500k. And a Phenom II x6 + Asrock 970 was cheaper or the same price as a locked i5 + h61 on hardwareversand.de.
Edit: Academic anyway. As I pointed out even when I brought it up, even a Phenom II is significantly out of budget for the OP.
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On June 19 2012 07:31 MisterFred wrote:
*shrug* Jingle or someone was telling me that streaming SC2 was one of the few things where a Phenom II x6 could compete directly with the i5-2500k. And a Phenom II x6 + Asrock 970 was cheaper or the same price as a locked i5 + h61 on hardwareversand.de.
Edit: Academic anyway. As I pointed out even when I brought it up, even a Phenom II is significantly out of budget for the OP.
I think Myrm, Medrea, Wom, and myself have discussed it as a thought exercise, in particular trying to figure a good way to compare it objectively without a proper test bed. IIRC, the conclusion was that while an i5 may be the better choice for a new build, but if you already have compatible AMD hardware, a Ph2x6 would probably make more sense as an upgrade unless you want to dump i7 money.
I don't remember for sure who was in the discussion, though, so don't take my recollection as gospel.
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Your choices are all really awful, though I've ran SC2 on a Pentium IV 3.6ghz processor with a old (OLD) nvida card and 1 gb ram... So you can definitely play 1s/2s but what price point are you looking at? If any of that is 400-500 than you're wasting your money... I suggest giving us a price point and we can probably build you a better computer for you to purchase/build.
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On June 19 2012 07:36 JingleHell wrote:
I think Myrm, Medrea, Wom, and myself have discussed it as a thought exercise, in particular trying to figure a good way to compare it objectively without a proper test bed. IIRC, the conclusion was that while an i5 may be the better choice for a new build, but if you already have compatible AMD hardware, a Ph2x6 would probably make more sense as an upgrade unless you want to dump i7 money.
I don't remember for sure who was in the discussion, though, so don't take my recollection as gospel.
Yeah, I don't think I've ever recommended it before, since most budgets that can fit a PII x6 can fit an i5. Here it was only because the PII x6 + 970 mobo was 25-40 euros less than an i5-2400 + h61 and I was trying to think of the cheapest "credible" streaming solution. *shrug* Just a thought.
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i love the people who always recomend i5 builds no matter how poor the buyer is...fuck intel and fuck the needs of ignorant consumers to buy intel inside, nvidia, etc. a sc computer can bd purchasef for like 400 bucks max
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that's because at just about every price point (and especially for sc2) intel is the better choice
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yeah well if i was a poor college student, which i am, i would get the best quad core APU,overclock that bitch with dual 120mm heatsink, and worry about a gpu later if i gave a fuck or needed it. all for 400 dollars
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On June 20 2012 01:59 ellsworth wrote:
yeah well if i was a poor college student, which i am, i would get the best quad core APU,overclock that bitch with dual 120mm heatsink, and worry about a gpu later if i gave a fuck or needed it. all for 400 dollars
For SC2 (and a lot of other things), a cheaper Intel G620 will outperform a more expensive AMD A6-3650.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/403?vs=406
If you slap a cheap HD 5570 into that system, it will be miles better on both the CPU and GPU side; and even better than an even more expensive AMD A8.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4476/amd-a83850-review/5
Unless, you're needing a monitor, keyboard, and mouse, you can actually get a pretty decent Intel system for $400; that is capable of playing SC2 at high settings.
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On June 20 2012 01:59 ellsworth wrote:
yeah well if i was a poor college student, which i am, i would get the best quad core APU,overclock that bitch with dual 120mm heatsink, and worry about a gpu later if i gave a fuck or needed it. all for 400 dollars
So you'd spend more on a shitty processor that wouldn't stream for shit anyways, to save a few bucks on a discrete GPU, when there's an overall better build using Intel within budget, in other words?
Irony, considering you were hinting that we're the fanboys...
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Btw guys the graphics card from the latest config is HD 6770 not 5770
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On June 20 2012 03:01 t0ssboy wrote:
Btw guys the graphics card from the latest config is HD 6770 not 5770
Same thing for almost all intents and purposes.
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This thread is pretty damn funny. Almost as funny as the FX-8150 thread where the OP was trying to say it doesn't compete with the i5-2500k because its $20 cheaper, so therefore it competes with the i5-2400.
The new trinity APU's don't suck though (compared to BD) so depending on when they are released it might be worth it. Then again I don't know, Intel is just Intel, while AMD is like a person working minimum wage their whole life.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/a10-5800k-a8-5600k-a6-5400k,3224-18.html
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