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On January 04 2012 04:11 kcbgoku wrote:
People have trouble reading. I didn't say 60 isn't standard. I use 60 myself, however I doubt there are monitors with vertical refresh rate lower than 55Hz in production. Also I'm sure that there are monitors with at least 120Hz so in 55-120 range, 60 seems pretty low doesn't it?
Imo you see those "lines" because your 60Hz refresh rate is too low for your eyes to ignore them and unfortunately I don't think there is a solution for this.
I have also had another person looking at my new screen, who also see's the lines in SC2. Do you mean that my eyes specifically would need a higher refresh rate, or that it's just too low in general? If it was too low in general I'd assume it would be a more common problem, and I haven't heard of many other having the issue in SC2 only (when trying to search for solution). I also doubt our eyes are that good.
It's also worth to note that my old screen was also 60hz (I don't remember the resolution excactly but it was in the 1600's x something), and while it is possible I missed them for a long time, I didn't notice them on it until a few months ago (when other games started messing up as well due to the screen getting bad), so I don't think it's the problem. This is not to say the problems on my old and new screen are related, I still don't think they are, but rather just to say I don't think I would have any problems with 60hz.
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1. If you still have the old cable for video then swap that out with new monitor and new pc
2. Swap old monitor out on new and old cable on new pc
Refresh rate being too low would only be a valid point if we were talking about crt monitors, and even then that would be based on its screen size.
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On January 04 2012 04:11 kcbgoku wrote:
Imo you see those "lines" because your 60Hz refresh rate is too low for your eyes to ignore them and unfortunately I don't think there is a solution for this.
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Stop.
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Well Medrea if I'm totally wrong, would you be so kind and explain it to me why on my Iiyama prolite e1902sw I have the same issue on 60Hz, but when I set it to 75Hz I don't? I'm curious of your professional opinion.
I guess my neighbour is radio enthusiast and he turns it on and off everytime I change my refresh rate...
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On January 04 2012 05:09 kcbgoku wrote:
Well Medrea if I'm totally wrong, would you be so kind and explain it to me why on my Iiyama prolite e1902sw I have the same issue on 60Hz, but when I set it to 75Hz I don't? I'm curious of your professional opinion.
I guess my neighbour is radio enthusiast and he turns it on and off everytime I change my refresh rate...
It isn't your eyes.
Because that's not how LCD's work.
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On January 04 2012 04:40 silent_marauder24 wrote:
1. If you still have the old cable for video then swap that out with new monitor and new pc
2. Swap old monitor out on new and old cable on new pc
Refresh rate being too low would only be a valid point if we were talking about crt monitors, and even then that would be based on its screen size.
I tried swapping around the cables and it's the same. Skyrim being good and Starcraft having the lines. I'm not sure if I understand you correctly with 2, as that's how it was before I bought the new, unless you just want a confirmation it's still the same.
During this I however noticed that there's a difference from having Starcraft in windowed full screen and having it in full screen, that being that there's more lines in windowed, but still some left in full screen, so there's still a problem. (I know I stated I tried this in the OP and I'm sorry for not checking it better)
However, when I turned on my PC after putting my new cable back in everything would appear with a "green touch" on it. The login, the windows startup, etc basically green light on everything. After readjusting the cable it still happened, and after readjusting again it turned back to normal. It also had some problems finding the signal. I'm thinking I should just take this screen back to the store, (mainly based on the green stuff just now happening).
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Mmmm. If I just take the current problems into consideration I would think that something is/could be defective with the graphics card. The fact that similar problems were happening with the old configuration is just stumping me.
Try with a friends monitor? I am assuming all connections are also solid.
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On January 04 2012 05:26 Medrea wrote:
Mmmm. If I just take the current problems into consideration I would think that something is/could be defective with the graphics card. The fact that similar problems were happening with the old configuration is just stumping me.
Try with a friends monitor?
I'm sorry if I misunderstand you, but I just want to make clear that there's nothing hardware related between my previous and current problems. It's a brand new prebuilt PC I haven't even opened myself. Skyrim runs without a problem on high settings now(and has done since I got the pc, beside the lines that the new screen fixed and limited to Starcraft 2), would such problem only appear in a much less demanding game as Starcraft 2? I personally believe it's pure coincidence that I have similar problems with my new pc / screen, as they're now limited to Starcraft 2 only. I'm sorry, I know I've already said this, and I'm not at all having a lot of knowledge on this area, but I don't understand how it could be the graphic card based on my situation. Is it the green light that makes you say it? I've had this PC for about 2 months now, and I haven't had anything similar to what just happened on it before just now.
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On January 04 2012 05:37 [Instinct] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2012 05:26 Medrea wrote:
Mmmm. If I just take the current problems into consideration I would think that something is/could be defective with the graphics card. The fact that similar problems were happening with the old configuration is just stumping me.
Try with a friends monitor? I'm sorry if I misunderstand you, but I just want to make clear that there's nothing hardware related between my previous and current problems. It's a brand new prebuilt PC I haven't even opened myself. Skyrim runs without a problem on high settings now(and has done since I got the pc, beside the lines that the new screen fixed and limited to Starcraft 2), would such problem only appear in a much less demanding game as Starcraft 2? I personally believe it's pure coincidence that I have similar problems with my new pc / screen, as they're now limited to Starcraft 2 only. I'm sorry, I know I've already said this, and I'm not at all having a lot of knowledge on this area, but I don't understand how it could be the graphic card based on my situation. Is it the green light that makes you say it? I've had this PC for about 2 months now, and I haven't had anything similar to what just happened on it before just now.
No, yeah you were completely clear, thats what is throwing us for a loop actually. And I do think it is coincidence and I could definitely see the problem being the monitor, especially if a green saturation is making itself known on POST screens and BIOS and all that. A friends monitor would help you nail it down as the final variable however, as a busted GPU could also be, coincidentally, a problem.
It's rare to have the same problem twice across two completely different computers back to back.
That's why we are trying to draw similarities between the two computers. And coming up with goofy shit, like radio interference, and.....your eyes.
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since there's a lot of guessing going on, maybe you can answer some of these questions to narrow down the problem:
What do the lines look like?
also how do you notice there are lines? are there different frames above and below the line? or are the lines in different color (strange colors like black, pink, green) or lighter/darker pixels than they should be?
are the lines only 1 pixel thick? do they move around or always stay in the same place?
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On January 04 2012 05:43 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2012 05:37 [Instinct] wrote:On January 04 2012 05:26 Medrea wrote:
Mmmm. If I just take the current problems into consideration I would think that something is/could be defective with the graphics card. The fact that similar problems were happening with the old configuration is just stumping me.
Try with a friends monitor? I'm sorry if I misunderstand you, but I just want to make clear that there's nothing hardware related between my previous and current problems. It's a brand new prebuilt PC I haven't even opened myself. Skyrim runs without a problem on high settings now(and has done since I got the pc, beside the lines that the new screen fixed and limited to Starcraft 2), would such problem only appear in a much less demanding game as Starcraft 2? I personally believe it's pure coincidence that I have similar problems with my new pc / screen, as they're now limited to Starcraft 2 only. I'm sorry, I know I've already said this, and I'm not at all having a lot of knowledge on this area, but I don't understand how it could be the graphic card based on my situation. Is it the green light that makes you say it? I've had this PC for about 2 months now, and I haven't had anything similar to what just happened on it before just now. No, yeah you were completely clear, thats what is throwing us for a loop actually. And I do think it is coincidence and I could definitely see the problem being the monitor, especially if a green saturation is making itself known on POST screens and BIOS and all that. A friends monitor would help you nail it down as the final variable however, as a busted GPU could also be, coincidentally, a problem. It's rare to have the same problem twice across two completely different computers back to back. That's why we are trying to draw similarities between the two computers.
I realize it's very rare and I also know how weird my problems sound, they're also quite confusing to me, which is why I ended up asking for help here after trying to deal with it myself for a while. I see how a friends screen would be a good call to see if it is indeed my new screen or not, and I was probably just too quick to rule out the graphic card as skyrim was fine now.
I did also try it on a third screen, a really old one, probably around 6 years old by now, and it did also have the same problem. However based on it's age I don't consider it the best source, but the problem did seem similar to the one on the new. I'm not sure how quickly it'd be possible for me to try on a friends screen which I'm 100% sure works. The green light is scaring me a little, if it is the screen I'd have to get it back to the store fast, while I can still get it changed easily without a problem. I'm not sure if I can wait to try on a friends screen.
I also just want to say I appreciate your time and help a lot, that goes for all the replies, and I hope to get this solved soon.
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On January 04 2012 05:51 Alvin853 wrote:
since there's a lot of guessing going on, maybe you can answer some of these questions to narrow down the problem:
What do the lines look like?
also how do you notice there are lines? are there different frames above and below the line? or are the lines in different color (strange colors like black, pink, green) or lighter/darker pixels than they should be?
are the lines only 1 pixel thick? do they move around or always stay in the same place?
It's actually quite hard to describe, I can't look at them right now, so this is how I recall it.
The lines really just look like a normal straight line, going horizontal across the screen. As said it's mostly noticeable on darker areas, and the lines are very bright, white. The lines move constantly, I'm actually not entirely sure about the pattern, but I believe it's from bottom to top. I don't think there's different frames above or below, it's just the line itself. They also move quite fast. I'm honestly not qualified to say whether or not they're 1 pixel thick, I have no idea how to measure that, but they're somewhat thin and there's many of them.
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On January 04 2012 06:20 Medrea wrote:And you are sure you arent this guy? + Show Spoiler +
I'm afraid I can't answer that question on a public forum.
+ Show Spoiler +No, I'm not 
However, as said, currently I think my safest bet is to take it back, especially considering this green light, I really don't like it. I just realized I read about someone having green tint issue with the screen before buying it, but I couldn't find a lot on it, so I figured it probably wasn't something too common. Seems I may be attracting PC related problems?
I want to thank everyone for their time and help, and I apologize for basically wasting your time, now that I'm ending up returning it because of the green. I'll however return if I end up having problems again.
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On January 04 2012 06:08 [Instinct] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2012 05:51 Alvin853 wrote:
since there's a lot of guessing going on, maybe you can answer some of these questions to narrow down the problem:
What do the lines look like?
also how do you notice there are lines? are there different frames above and below the line? or are the lines in different color (strange colors like black, pink, green) or lighter/darker pixels than they should be?
are the lines only 1 pixel thick? do they move around or always stay in the same place? It's actually quite hard to describe, I can't look at them right now, so this is how I recall it. The lines really just look like a normal straight line, going horizontal across the screen. As said it's mostly noticeable on darker areas, and the lines are very bright, white. The lines move constantly, I'm actually not entirely sure about the pattern, but I believe it's from bottom to top. I don't think there's different frames above or below, it's just the line itself. They also move quite fast. I'm honestly not qualified to say whether or not they're 1 pixel thick, I have no idea how to measure that, but they're somewhat thin and there's many of them.
sounds like a hardware problem to me, so i'll continue to ask questions if you don't mind:
you mentioned you used a vga cable and/or a dvi->vga... are you still on vga with the new monitor? if so can you get a dvi cable to see if that changes anything?
do you know what exact model your graphics card and mainboard are?
also can you monitor the temperatues of your graphics card?
are the computer and the monitor powered off the same wall outlet? if yes can you plug one/both of them into different outlets and check if it affects anything?
one more thing: go to your nvidia control panel, click help -> system information, then save and post the output here (you can leave out your system name if you feel it's too personal)
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On January 04 2012 05:23 [Instinct] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2012 04:40 silent_marauder24 wrote:
1. If you still have the old cable for video then swap that out with new monitor and new pc
2. Swap old monitor out on new and old cable on new pc
Refresh rate being too low would only be a valid point if we were talking about crt monitors, and even then that would be based on its screen size. I tried swapping around the cables and it's the same. Skyrim being good and Starcraft having the lines. I'm not sure if I understand you correctly with 2, as that's how it was before I bought the new, unless you just want a confirmation it's still the same. During this I however noticed that there's a difference from having Starcraft in windowed full screen and having it in full screen, that being that there's more lines in windowed, but still some left in full screen, so there's still a problem. (I know I stated I tried this in the OP and I'm sorry for not checking it better) However, when I turned on my PC after putting my new cable back in everything would appear with a "green touch" on it. The login, the windows startup, etc basically green light on everything. After readjusting the cable it still happened, and after readjusting again it turned back to normal. It also had some problems finding the signal. I'm thinking I should just take this screen back to the store, (mainly based on the green stuff just now happening).
The green haze is generally caused by an improperly seated video cord, although not exclusively. But ive seen it a few times to of been caused by that. Blueish tinge is generally caused by the cold cathode going bad if im not mistaken (food for thought <_<).
Since your video card has more then 1 output try switching that. Also try reseting to factory settings on the monitor if you have not done that. Since this happened on your old monitor as well im hesitant to say to take back the monitor. But this is a toughie.
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I have exactly the same problem. I've tried everything. I put my graphic card into my other computer and it seems its not graphic card issue. I've tried switch cables from last monitor (power and data). I've tried put my old one graphic card and is a little bit better but still problem occur. When i turn vertical sync on lines stop moving but still i can see lines what is irritating... I've tried few monitors, even i connect it to my TV and it didnt help.
I've tried 8 cores of cpu 100% performance and i think cpu is fine. Same with testing ssd disk it works fine.
Graphic tests doesnt show any problems. Right now i am really confused.
When i have very small sc2 window (display mode windowed) i see these lines outside the window.
I think problem is not rare. I still dont know what can be cause of this.
My hardware spec:
ssd: Samsung ssd 830
gpu GeForce GTX 560 Ti
cpu i7-2600k
ram: 8gb
monitor: BenQ GAMING RL2450HT
system: Windows 7 64bit
I am start thinking about installing windows XP and one more time sc2. I just dont have any other ideas.
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There are a lot of different problems that can be described as "horizontal lines", so let's narrow it down a bit.
1. In what applications do they appear? If in SC2, in what part of the screen?
2. Do they cover the entire horizontal extent of the screen, or just part?
3. What colour are they?
4. Do they move? If so, how and how fast?
5. Do they appear in screenshots?
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1. Every part but is more visible when is darker
2. It cover all screen even if its windowed it cover some part of desktop.
3. gray
4. yes it move from bottom to top or from top to bottom it depends where my cursor is on the map When i turn on v-sync lines stop but still are visible.
5. Nope. When i am doing screenshot view is clear for 2 sec and screenshot is same clear.
Examples:
http://czarnyj.poczta.rybnik.pl/sc2/vid1.mp4
http://czarnyj.poczta.rybnik.pl/sc2/vid2.mp4
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That's interference, possibly from an external source. Are you using VGA or something else?
Disconnect all nearby non-essential electrical devices including CFL lamps. Try moving the screen around and see if the problem is reduced.
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