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OpTicalRH
147 Posts
The number shows it might be siginificantly faster, but is there any bottleneck from the hardware or the cable that causes no vast difference? I'm deciding between returning WNDR3400 router and getting Linksys 1000 because although wndr3400 is better than the linksys one overall, it doesn't support gigabit. I've been getting average of 250ms in pings when someone is downloading, but would gigabit lower the ping as well? Thank you always for the advices. | ||
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grs
Germany2339 Posts
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Boblhead
United States2577 Posts
On June 23 2011 17:58 OpTicalRH wrote: Gigabit ethernet (1000mbps) vs regular ethernet (100mbps) The number shows it might be siginificantly faster, but is there any bottleneck from the hardware or the cable that causes no vast difference? I'm deciding between returning WNDR3400 router and getting Linksys 1000 because although wndr3400 is better than the linksys one overall, it doesn't support gigabit. I've been getting average of 250ms in pings when someone is downloading, but would gigabit lower the ping as well? Thank you always for the advices. The only real performance is if you have a home server and your transfering files. You can transfer a shit ton faster only if you have the right hardware like some super high end hdd's. If your getting it just to help with your latency, I'm pretty sure thats on your isp's end. In order for you to see a huge difference is if your isp ran a t1 line to your house. Other than that you will see maybe slight performance if that, or a huge increase when transfering to an in home server etc. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
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TheAmazombie
United States3714 Posts
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Hister
United States89 Posts
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OpTicalRH
147 Posts
Edit. I changed from wireless to wired using 200ft cat5e cable, set QOS on my router, set my MAC address as highest priority and all the others as low priority, and even purchased netcontrol and limited the bandwidth for p2p programs, but the ping still idels around 200~300ms. I don't see what is the problem still.. | ||
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SleepTech
United States222 Posts
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grs
Germany2339 Posts
On June 23 2011 18:10 OpTicalRH wrote: Trying to explain again: If you have a Gigabit ethernet card in your PC and your router, the connection from your PC to your router is faster. The connection from your router to the internet is what is slower. Think of it as water pipes: no matter how big you make the pipe from your PC to router, the pipe from your router to the internet is smaller.I have upgraded my internet service to optimum online boost plus, but I have not found the wording on the gigabit support, so it won't matter even if I get a gigabit capable router? Edit. I changed from wireless to wired using 200ft cat5e cable, set QOS on my router, set my MAC address as highest priority and all the others as low priority, and even purchased netcontrol and limited the bandwidth for p2p programs, but the ping still idels around 200~300ms. I don't see what is the problem still.. | ||
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HellGreen
Denmark1146 Posts
Here's an example: + Show Spoiler + C:\Users\JHN>tracert google.com Tracing route to google.com [74.125.39.103] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.0.1 2 16 ms 16 ms 16 ms ge-0-1-0-1104.kdnqu1.dk.ip.tdc.net [93.167.152.1] 3 43 ms 28 ms 35 ms ae1.tg4-peer1.sto.se.ip.tdc.net [62.95.54.124] 4 28 ms 27 ms 28 ms google.te1-1.tg4-peer2.sto.se.ip.tdc.net [195.215.109.194] 5 27 ms 35 ms 28 ms 216.239.43.122 6 50 ms 53 ms 52 ms 209.85.242.188 7 58 ms 58 ms 59 ms 209.85.242.185 8 58 ms 58 ms 60 ms 209.85.254.118 9 70 ms 64 ms 71 ms 209.85.249.166 10 59 ms 59 ms 59 ms fx-in-f103.1e100.net [74.125.39.103] Trace complete. If you ping your ISP (ie. the first router) you should see much better (lower) ping times. If you ping something far away (ie. Battle.Net) and you don't like the results, it's just too bad. You can't speed it up, no matter what equipment you have in your house or settings you change in your computer/router. The delays typically happen on the backside of the ISP (~the Internet). | ||
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GarlicSauce
Netherlands92 Posts
 I noticed with my old 100mbit router significant internet download slowdowns whenever other computers in the network were transferring files on my Lan. No issues like that with my Gigabit router. Ofcourse newer routers have better capabilities in dividing different data-streams. (like 'gaming'-routers, where ping/lag is not so much affected when other computers in your network are downloading) Also, keep in mind 100mbit means effectively around 50-60mbit due to overhead etc ... there are definitely internet connections faster than that. | ||
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HellGreen
Denmark1146 Posts
I'm sorry to be so blunt, but almost nothing of what you say is true. Please refrain from giving advice if you don't have sufficient knowledge (it's not something I say, it's the TL technical forum rules). Just because *you* were experiencing low download speeds during high LAN traffic you can't make the conclusion it will help everybody. Also the overhead figures are all wrong. Just so I'm sure, will you inform us about the name/model of your gigabit-router and internet speed please? Upgrading your LAN from megabit to gigabit will in most cases not improve your internet throughput or latency (ofcourse the LAN will benefit immensely). | ||
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GarlicSauce
Netherlands92 Posts
I'm saying that a gigabit router will process data faster if things get busy. (especially if the 100mbit router is a cheap model with small routing-tables) I used a US robotics 100mbit model before i switched to a D-Link Dir655 gigabit router. Where the 100mbit model had problems with lag in gaming when even copying files, my gigabit router has no lag problems when gaming even while running multiple bittorrent downloads) | ||
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doubled
Sweden111 Posts
Edit: Also transferring large files is absolutely atrocious on 100mbit, I would never buy another 100mbit router/switch simply because doing so will force me to wait for 1 hour file transfers if I ever need it. Price difference is like 10$ anyways. | ||
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Phayze
Canada2029 Posts
I had problem streaming 1080p from my media server to various people in my household on a mbit router. a gbit router will locally help you but will not change internet ping/speeds. | ||
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grs
Germany2339 Posts
On June 23 2011 18:39 GarlicSauce wrote: No, read this. The age of hubs is over.If you have multiple computers on your home-network it's always better to go for gigabit (like 2 desktops, a laptop and some wireless devices). Because your connection will be faster if there's no additional traffic on your Lan. (a computer transferring gigabites of data to another takes forever on 100mbit) Yes, but the OP was about internet connection, not about LAN speed.I noticed with my old 100mbit router significant internet download slowdowns whenever other computers in the network were transferring files on my Lan. No issues like that with my Gigabit router. Ofcourse newer routers have better capabilities in dividing different data-streams. (like 'gaming'-routers, where ping/lag is not so much affected when other computers in your network are downloading) The reason for this is not that your newer router is a gigabit one; the reason is that it probably is a better/newer router.Also, keep in mind 100mbit means effectively around 50-60mbit due to overhead etc ... there are definitely internet connections faster than that. I don't know where you get these numbers from. We are talking about Fast Ethernet (100BASE-X) which is 100 Mbit/s = 12.5 MB/s; there is no overhead on the physical layer. Overhead comes into play when you factor in a protocol sending data and the overhead is completely different for different protocols and depends on a lot of factors, but 100 Mbit/s, stays 100 Mbit/s. | ||
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lisward
Singapore959 Posts
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grs
Germany2339 Posts
On June 23 2011 19:35 lisward wrote: I might help you, but if the OP has 250ms on a connection that claims to offer "Faster speeds with up to 50Mbps for downloads and up to 8Mbps for uploads." (see here) the problem lies somewhere else, not with his LAN cabling.I switched from regular ethernet to gigabit ethernet because I've been having bottlenecks everytime I play xbox live, but now it's working perfectly fine, am I wrong to say that gigabit ethernet ports help manage bottlenecks better? Many providers claim to have "connection speeds up to xxx", but sadly the real speed often differs. I am no expert for internet costs in the US, but $14.95/month for 50Mbps/8Mbps makes me wonder about the quality of the lines behind that. | ||
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Rannasha
Netherlands2398 Posts
On June 23 2011 19:35 lisward wrote: I switched from regular ethernet to gigabit ethernet because I've been having bottlenecks everytime I play xbox live, but now it's working perfectly fine, am I wrong to say that gigabit ethernet ports help manage bottlenecks better? It's far more likely that the improvements are simply due to the router being newer/better than due to it being gigabit rather than 100 megabit. Newer routers have faster processors and more optimized firmware. | ||
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Jedi Master
Germany185 Posts
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