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On April 02 2012 10:48 Swagtacular wrote:
What internet browser, Internet Explorer FireFox Chromo Safari, uses the LEAST ram?
so not the fastest but would take away the least from gaming to play pandora/grooveshark
Probably Chrome or IE, but frankly the differences are unlikely to be night and day; real difference is probably going to be under 25MG. Unless your RAM usage is maxed or near maxed out by SC2, I don't see why you would be concerned about this at all. Using IE because it has the lowest RAM usage (speaking hypothetically, I didn't really test it) would be stupid.
And if your system memory is that stretched, go drop $15 to add an extra 2GB to your RAM.
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On my laptop, I find that Chrome takes, THE MOST friggin' RAM. I'm pretty sure each tab is a separate process and it ranges from like 3000K to 150,000K.
And when I have firefox open, it's just a plain like 150,000K, with a bunch of tabs open.
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Hey all, I have a few questions for you guys:
1. Do I ever need to replace the thermal compound?
2. Is it better to overclock before I install all my games and files, or does it not matter when I overclock my processor?
3. Does overclocking significantly decrease lifetime of the processor if temperatures are kept in check?
4. When you install a graphics driver, I'm assuming you put it in place before turning on the computer. Is there anything else that you have to do? (I bought the computer from NCIX.com and they remove the GPU for shipping, but its already configured and everything onto the actual computer)
Thanks
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On April 03 2012 02:14 Cozzak wrote:
Hey all, I have a few questions for you guys:
1. Do I ever need to replace the thermal compound?
2. Is it better to overclock before I install all my games and files, or does it not matter when I overclock my processor?
3. Does overclocking significantly decrease lifetime of the processor if temperatures are kept in check?
4. When you install a graphics driver, I'm assuming you put it in place before turning on the computer. Is there anything else that you have to do? (I bought the computer from NCIX.com and they remove the GPU for shipping, but its already configured and everything onto the actual computer)
Thanks
1. Maybe. If after about at least year your temperatures have gotten a fair bit higher even after being cleaned with compressed air, a reapplication may be beneficial. In most cases it's not necessary though.
2. Doesn't matter whatsoever.
3. Shouldn't make much noticeable difference unless you go for a high voltage (I wouldn't go above 1.3v) or have high temps, again a personal preference. Otherwise it's likely the cpu will last until you chuck it in the bin.
4. Computers generally come with the generic OS display drivers installed. If this is the case, simply install the nvidia drivers on top. If there is already a set of nvidia drivers onboard, then follow the update process.
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On April 03 2012 02:23 Rollin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 02:14 Cozzak wrote:
Hey all, I have a few questions for you guys:
1. Do I ever need to replace the thermal compound?
2. Is it better to overclock before I install all my games and files, or does it not matter when I overclock my processor?
3. Does overclocking significantly decrease lifetime of the processor if temperatures are kept in check?
4. When you install a graphics driver, I'm assuming you put it in place before turning on the computer. Is there anything else that you have to do? (I bought the computer from NCIX.com and they remove the GPU for shipping, but its already configured and everything onto the actual computer)
Thanks 1. Maybe. If after about at least year your temperatures have gotten a fair bit higher even after being cleaned with compressed air, a reapplication may be beneficial. In most cases it's not necessary though.
This is actually bad advice. Thermal Compound actually becomes more effective over time. As you use your computer, and the thermal compound is exposed to heat it actually changes it's consistancy and composition and will beging to conduct heat more efficiently and you should see a difinitive decrease in CPU temperature. This is what's known as the "break in period".
For the lower end Artic Silver products, this break in period is as much as 200 hours across mutiple power cycles (allowing for the heatsink to repeatedly cool and heat up again). If you were to regularly replace the thermal compound on a CPU depending on the product it may never complete the break in period and you are drastically reducing it's conductivity.
If you are someone who regularly replaces your CPU or for whatever reason is regularly replacing thermal compound, I highly suggest you get some of Artic Silvers Ceramic, as it's rated for a short 25 hour break in period.
Info on how to correctly apply thermal compound and whatnot can be found in JingleHell's cooling thread Here
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Huh?
Who replaces thermal compound every 9 days? We are talking about a much longer period of time here.
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On April 03 2012 03:10 TheToast wrote:If you are someone who regularly replaces your CPU or for whatever reason is regularly replacing thermal compound, I highly suggest you get some of Artic Silvers Ceramic, as it's rated for a short 25 hour break in period. Info on how to correctly apply thermal compound and whatnot can be found in JingleHell's cooling thread Here
Or please stop suggesting Arctic Silver products altogether. Other TIM's (as can be seen in the reviews linked in the cooling thread) perform better and have a virtually non-existent cure time. And they don't cost more.
Ceramique is useful for people doing LN2 cooling but yeah, that's not going to happen around here.
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Well, 200 hours across multiple power cycles is, IMO, kind of a "don't sue us" cop-out. My guess is that for it to take anywhere near that much time to cure properly, you'd need to be a pure casual user. Kind of like GPU manufacturer's PSU suggestions, it's the "hey, we told you not to be fucking stupid, it's not our fault you didn't listen" approach to covering their asses.
Even so, yeah, I wouldn't replace it annually if it's good, but there's no hard and fast rule one way or the other. I suggest for the average user, 18-24 months as a good time to replace. If you're going to try to go by "time" rather than "does the shit still work?" (which requires knowing how well it worked BEFORE, of course), then that's a good time to expect it to be getting all shitty under typical conditions of average neglect.
The one thing that's worse than not replacing your thermal paste is fucking up re-application of thermal paste. Depending on your brand of carelessness, you can destroy your PC several different ways, hurt thermal performance, and make me die laughing when you post here asking why your CPU cooler fell off after you used thermal paste to attach it. (Real post.)
Edit: @Wabbit: I wouldn't use Ceramique for LN2, personally. There's (supposedly) newer products that deal better with extreme cooling. Of course, it's kind of hard to find good benches for extreme cooling solution stuff.
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On April 03 2012 03:19 Medrea wrote:
Huh?
Who replaces thermal compound every 9 days? We are talking about a much longer period of time here.
That's 200 hours of PC use time, not just 200 hours lol.
On April 03 2012 03:26 Wabbit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 03:10 TheToast wrote:If you are someone who regularly replaces your CPU or for whatever reason is regularly replacing thermal compound, I highly suggest you get some of Artic Silvers Ceramic, as it's rated for a short 25 hour break in period. Info on how to correctly apply thermal compound and whatnot can be found in JingleHell's cooling thread Here Or please stop suggesting Arctic Silver products altogether. Other TIM's (as can be seen in the reviews linked in the cooling thread) perform better and have a virtually non-existent cure time. And they don't cost more. Ceramique is useful for people doing LN2 cooling but yeah, that's not going to happen around here.
I'm actually curious to what you recommend and what the rated break in times are. Artic Silver isn't necessarily the best, but it's the only one that I know the break in times for off hand.
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On April 03 2012 03:30 JingleHell wrote:
Well, 200 hours across multiple power cycles is, IMO, kind of a "don't sue us" cop-out. My guess is that for it to take anywhere near that much time to cure properly, you'd need to be a pure casual user. Kind of like GPU manufacturer's PSU suggestions, it's the "hey, we told you not to be fucking stupid, it's not our fault you didn't listen" approach to covering their asses.
Even so, yeah, I wouldn't replace it annually if it's good, but there's no hard and fast rule one way or the other. I suggest for the average user, 18-24 months as a good time to replace. If you're going to try to go by "time" rather than "does the shit still work?" (which requires knowing how well it worked BEFORE, of course), then that's a good time to expect it to be getting all shitty under typical conditions of average neglect.
Yeah, I don't think that the rated break in period is a set in stone rule; you're probably right that the rating is based on a more "average" PC user. I don't think it's a "don't sue us" kind of rule, as realistically a difference in ten degrees is going to destroy a CPU. But obviously each CPU model is going to have different heat output and distribution so I'm guessing that this number is some kind of average.
But my basic point is that you are actually going to see improvements in temperatures by leaving the thermal compound on there longer. In addition to there being no benefit from regularly changing it, you are actually going to see a decrease in cooling effectivity.
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The Skinnee labs roundup pretty much sums up what people should be getting (there are other reviews I have bookmarked somewhere but this is the best roundup I've found by far). Anything from the top 10 or so (less than 2~3 degrees difference) except Indigo Extreme (if you want to know why, read its instructions).
http://skinneelabs.com/2011-thermal-paste-review-comparison/3/ (also notice AS5 does well with "great" contact, but so do most TIM's seeing as "great contact" means "least amount of TIM between metals" - and I doubt that many/most coolers on the market that people buy have such good contact, though arguably smart application of the least amount of TIM possible should lead to similar results)
But, to continue beating this dead horse, the most important thing is that TIM is properly applied. I'm just trying to distill purchasing suggestions in order to save people time from having to research all this stuff for a negligible benefit.
AS5 is sort of okay after ~3-4hrs but temps still slowly go down: http://skinneelabs.com/arctic-silver-ceramique-review/3/
Some others also have a cure time of at least after a few hours, but it also depends on how well the cooler base makes contact to the IHS, and also I haven't seen or checked for a monitoring of AS5 temps for up to the 200th hour. I'd have to agree with Jingle that they're probably just covering their ass.
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Well, it's anecdotal, but I've seen AS5 go through a temp change of about 1-2C across cores over about 25 10 minute P95 runs, and then balance out pretty well. Mind you, that's observation using the far less than scientific method, no delta t, no control temp, just literally "this is about what I've noticed."
That's the main reason I think 200 hours is for basic use.
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Hey now 200 hours of PC time is the same thing as 200 hours of real time to me.
Don't be jealous of my $30 single core Intel machines.
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On April 03 2012 03:49 JingleHell wrote:
Well, it's anecdotal, but I've seen AS5 go through a temp change of about 1-2C across cores over about 25 10 minute P95 runs, and then balance out pretty well. Mind you, that's observation using the far less than scientific method, no delta t, no control temp, just literally "this is about what I've noticed."
That's the main reason I think 200 hours is for basic use.
Artic Silvers documentation is very careful to point out that the temperture drop they are measuring is at the hottest point on the CPU, and that's not necessarily where the temperature diode is located. So they are essentially saying that even though you can't see the temperature change over the full 200 hours it is still occuring.
Now, you can take that for whatever you want, however I am inclined to believe it. But to get back to the main point, regularly replacing thermal compound has no advantages and actually can cause an increase in temperature; so don't do it.
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On April 03 2012 03:53 Medrea wrote:
Hey now 200 hours of PC time is the same thing as 200 hours of real time to me.
Lol, fair enough.
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Thanks everyone, and if it matters I got the Noctua NH-D14 and it came with some thermal compound that seemed like it was highly regarded among many reviewers of the NH-D14 package it came with.
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You can be certain that pretty much all TIM's that come with high-end cooling like that are going to be very good. NT-H1 certainly is.
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I got a quick question about RAM i'd love some insight on.
Right now i am using a Gigabyte PH67A-UD3-B3 motherboard, with a G.Skill 4 GB DDR3-1333 kit. These are two sticks of 2GB ram, my motherboard has 4 slots for RAM. I wanted to upgrade my ram with the G.Skill 8 GB DDR3-1333 Kit. This kit consists of two sticks of 4GB RAM, same speed, same voltage, same manufacturer EDIT: as the 4GB kit. Is it possible for me to combine the two sets, essentially having 4+8GB of RAM, or should i just replace the 4GB with the 8GB to save myself some hassle?
Thanks in advance.
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On April 03 2012 04:05 Fragile51 wrote:
I got a quick question about RAM i'd love some insight on.
Right now i am using a Gigabyte PH67A-UD3-B3 motherboard, with a G.Skill 4 GB DDR3-1333 kit. These are two sticks of 2GB ram, my motherboard has 4 slots for RAM. I wanted to upgrade my ram with the G.Skill 8 GB DDR3-1333 Kit. This kit consists of two sticks of 4GB RAM, same speed, same voltage, same manufacturer EDIT: as the 4GB kit. Is it possible for me to combine the two sets, essentially having 4+8GB of RAM, or should i just replace the 4GB with the 8GB to save myself some hassle?
Thanks in advance.
You can stick any size and any speed of RAM in as long as your mortherboard supports it. However if you want to utilize dual channel memory, each channel needs to have the same size dimms in both slots. That is, the slots of the same color should have the same sized dimms in them. Full documentation here if you are interested in learning more.
Also note that x86 versions of windows will only be able to utilize a maximum of 4GB of memory.
-edit: changed the link to go directly to the section of the article in question
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On April 03 2012 04:12 TheToast wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 04:05 Fragile51 wrote:
I got a quick question about RAM i'd love some insight on.
Right now i am using a Gigabyte PH67A-UD3-B3 motherboard, with a G.Skill 4 GB DDR3-1333 kit. These are two sticks of 2GB ram, my motherboard has 4 slots for RAM. I wanted to upgrade my ram with the G.Skill 8 GB DDR3-1333 Kit. This kit consists of two sticks of 4GB RAM, same speed, same voltage, same manufacturer EDIT: as the 4GB kit. Is it possible for me to combine the two sets, essentially having 4+8GB of RAM, or should i just replace the 4GB with the 8GB to save myself some hassle?
Thanks in advance. You can stick any size and any speed of RAM in as long as your mortherboard supports it. However if you want to utilize dual channel memory, each channel needs to have the same size dimms in both slots. That is, the slots of the same color should have the same sized dimms in them. Full documentation here if you are interested in learning more. Also note that x86 versions of windows will only be able to utilize a maximum of 4GB of memory.
Awesome, thanks! And don't worry, i'm using a 64 bit OS :p
EDIT: So basically, if i understood the article correctly, i just need to make sure that the same sizes of RAM go into the same coloured slots?
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On April 03 2012 04:14 Fragile51 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 04:12 TheToast wrote:On April 03 2012 04:05 Fragile51 wrote:
I got a quick question about RAM i'd love some insight on.
Right now i am using a Gigabyte PH67A-UD3-B3 motherboard, with a G.Skill 4 GB DDR3-1333 kit. These are two sticks of 2GB ram, my motherboard has 4 slots for RAM. I wanted to upgrade my ram with the G.Skill 8 GB DDR3-1333 Kit. This kit consists of two sticks of 4GB RAM, same speed, same voltage, same manufacturer EDIT: as the 4GB kit. Is it possible for me to combine the two sets, essentially having 4+8GB of RAM, or should i just replace the 4GB with the 8GB to save myself some hassle?
Thanks in advance. You can stick any size and any speed of RAM in as long as your mortherboard supports it. However if you want to utilize dual channel memory, each channel needs to have the same size dimms in both slots. That is, the slots of the same color should have the same sized dimms in them. Full documentation here if you are interested in learning more. Also note that x86 versions of windows will only be able to utilize a maximum of 4GB of memory. Awesome, thanks! And don't worry, i'm using a 64 bit OS :p EDIT: So basically, if i understood the article correctly, i just need to make sure that the same sizes of RAM go into the same coloured slots?
Short answer: That would be correct.
Long answer: Basically, to enable true dual channel memory, you just need the same total storage size in each channel. Each channel typically has two Dimm slots, "Dimm 0" and "Dimm 1". The slots are color corrisponding, both Dimm 1 slots and both Dimm 0 slots will be the same color. If you have the same size dimms in the same color slot (both 2 gigs in the white slots and both 4 gigs in the blue slots or vice versa) then both channels will have the same total memory size and dual channel memory mode can be used.
The dimms do not need to match in speed, the system will simply run all the dimms at the speed of the slowest dimm in the system. You can utilize some of the benefits without matching total memory size in both channels though. I think most motherboards also support "flex mode" which is sort of a hybrid. The memory controller can take a dimm in the channel with more memory and split it between single channel usage and dual channel usage. But you're obviously not going to get the performance boost you would running in true dual channel.
I should note (before someone swoops in to correct me  ) that using dual channel memory mode probably will have little impact on your performance while gaming. However it can have dramatic performance effects for certain software applications. And frankly, even if the impact for gaming performance is small, there's no reason not to use it given that all it takes is arranging dimms correctly.
-edit: Might be important Sorry, I forgot to ask, what version of Windows 7 x64 are you using? Just FYI Windows 7 x64 Home Edition only supports a maximum of 8GB memory, while home premium x64 is 16GB. source
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Hey I'm reinstalling win7 after upgrading my CPU. It gave me two options and I was wondering if there is anyway for me to keep my data? I also have another drive with games in it and I was wondering will I need to do anything special to the other drive?
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