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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17281 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-13 05:43:24
July 13 2013 05:42 GMT
#7081
There's probably something in the registry somewhere. I think there are programs that will lock the cursor into a window.

I find it weird that middle-clicking something in the taskbar opens a new instance when middle-clicking is used much more commonly as a means of closing something (e.g. a browser tab).

Shortcut of the day: Ctrl-W will also close a tab and windows folders.
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mrsharpie
Profile Joined July 2013
2 Posts
July 13 2013 05:43 GMT
#7082
Let's say I have 9Mb/s upload. I'm looking to stream at 720p or maybe even 1080p at a great bitrate/fps (whatever it is that makes the stream look good)

My question is what is the best route to go:

i5 unlocked with an overclock or i7 locked with standard clock?
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17281 Posts
July 13 2013 05:45 GMT
#7083
Well it's going to depend a lot more on the specific CPU since i5 and i7 represent very large ranges of chips, but given roughly even chips then an overclocked i5 should do better, I would think.

As far as stream quality goes, well, trial and error.
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Spec
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Taiwan931 Posts
July 13 2013 18:57 GMT
#7084
I got BSoD recently and did not write down the code in time. As a result, I've been solving my (3) recurring event errors.
I got through two of them smoothly... "Microsoft Security" and "Microsoft-window setup", by removing the respective corrupted files (which was remade after reboot).

The last Warning I could not solve.

It's a Kernal PnP
The driver \Driver\WUDFRd failed to load for the device ACPI\PNP0A0A\2&daba3ff&1.


Have anyone experience with this? I've found some solutions online regarding turning the WUDRd service from manual to automatic, but that actually made things worst on my computer.

My computer specs:
i5 Haswell OC to 4.4 GHz
Asus Z87-A Motherboard
gtx650 ti gigabyte graphics card

The BSoD has only happened once last night, been at least 1 month on this computer. There wasn't any kernal logs recorded except the unexpected reboot errors. I was just browsing when it happened.
Please let me know if more info is needed...

Eye for an eye make the world go blind - Gandhi
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
July 13 2013 19:35 GMT
#7085
How much difference in performance can I expect between Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz and Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz?
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Rannasha
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Netherlands2398 Posts
July 13 2013 19:54 GMT
#7086
On July 14 2013 04:35 Sufficiency wrote:
How much difference in performance can I expect between Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz and Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz?


That depends 100% on the application. The main difference between the 2 processors is the HyperThreading feature of the i7. This allows multi-threaded applications to more efficiently use the CPUs resources. The problem is that most programs don't make much use of multi-threading beyond 2, perhaps 3, threads, which any regular quad-core CPU can handle.

A game like SC2 will get no benefit from HyperThreading. Some other games might, but even then it's rarely worth the difference in money. Streaming, on the other hand, is something that can take advantage of an i7. If you're heavily into streaming, the i7 might be worth it. Some other programs, like video editing, could benefit from an i7, but again it's highly dependent on the program(s) you use.

While in the best-case scenario, the i7 can offer up to 30-40% more performance over the i5, in general, the probability is rather high that you're better off investing the difference in price between the i5 and i7 into something else. For advice more suited to your personal needs, we need more info.
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
July 13 2013 19:59 GMT
#7087
On July 14 2013 04:54 Rannasha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2013 04:35 Sufficiency wrote:
How much difference in performance can I expect between Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz and Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz?


That depends 100% on the application. The main difference between the 2 processors is the HyperThreading feature of the i7. This allows multi-threaded applications to more efficiently use the CPUs resources. The problem is that most programs don't make much use of multi-threading beyond 2, perhaps 3, threads, which any regular quad-core CPU can handle.

A game like SC2 will get no benefit from HyperThreading. Some other games might, but even then it's rarely worth the difference in money. Streaming, on the other hand, is something that can take advantage of an i7. If you're heavily into streaming, the i7 might be worth it. Some other programs, like video editing, could benefit from an i7, but again it's highly dependent on the program(s) you use.

While in the best-case scenario, the i7 can offer up to 30-40% more performance over the i5, in general, the probability is rather high that you're better off investing the difference in price between the i5 and i7 into something else. For advice more suited to your personal needs, we need more info.


Interesting... maybe I'll just grab a i5 of some sort! Thanks for the info :3
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-13 20:06:58
July 13 2013 20:02 GMT
#7088
To add to Rannasha's post:

In terms of x264 (the video encoder that OBS, Xsplit use) you see about ~20% gains from Hyperthreading, but the tl;dr is that in a regular streaming setup, i don't think that you can actually get more FPS in sc2 from having it (i'l test this to verify)

It opens the option of encoding at a higher framerate if you have for example a 1920x1080 stream you could maybe stream at a higher FPS without hitting cpu limits on i7, but it mostly comes into play at extreme streaming settings, like i think >48fps, 1920x1080, and it's not really ever appropriate to do that IMO.

I'd get HT for streaming games at a high resolution and FPS that heavily load the CPU, for example Crysis 3, but not for stuff like starcraft 2 and planetside that will look at an 8 threaded CPU and use 1.5 (or in the case of planetside 2, less) threads. They are CPU bound while leaving most of the CPU idle and available for encoding a stream.

I can confirm though that without heavily loading the CPU (like say 1920x1080, 60fps stream output) ht on vs off is literally identical in fps, i got two benchmarks in sc2 with minimum and maximum FPS the same and average within like 0.1%
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
July 13 2013 20:17 GMT
#7089
On July 14 2013 05:02 Cyro wrote:
To add to Rannasha's post:

In terms of x264 (the video encoder that OBS, Xsplit use) you see about ~20% gains from Hyperthreading, but the tl;dr is that in a regular streaming setup, i don't think that you can actually get more FPS in sc2 from having it (i'l test this to verify)

It opens the option of encoding at a higher framerate if you have for example a 1920x1080 stream you could maybe stream at a higher FPS without hitting cpu limits on i7, but it mostly comes into play at extreme streaming settings, like i think >48fps, 1920x1080, and it's not really ever appropriate to do that IMO.

I'd get HT for streaming games at a high resolution and FPS that heavily load the CPU, for example Crysis 3, but not for stuff like starcraft 2 and planetside that will look at an 8 threaded CPU and use 1.5 (or in the case of planetside 2, less) threads. They are CPU bound while leaving most of the CPU idle and available for encoding a stream.

I can confirm though that without heavily loading the CPU (like say 1920x1080, 60fps stream output) ht on vs off is literally identical in fps, i got two benchmarks in sc2 with minimum and maximum FPS the same and average within like 0.1%


I don't think I'll ever stream in 1080p. The awesome Canadian internet simply cannot allow me to do this... =( I have been happily streaming at 480p with like 20fps for a while now and it's probably the best my internet can manage.

So right now I am thinking Haswell i5 + some mobo (completely clueless) + some graphic (GTX 760?) + some SSD. NCIX has the CPU on sale for about 240 CAD, which seems OK. There are almost no graphic cards with reduced price though t.t
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skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-13 20:36:59
July 13 2013 20:36 GMT
#7090
Pricematch NCIX's price of the core i5 4670k at Memory Express to get it for $230. Should have bought three weeks ago when the i5 4670k was $195.

Samsung 840 120gb is on sale at Newegg and NCIX for $90, pricematch at Memory Express for $87.

Pricematch the Gigabyte Z87X-D3H from NCIX ($135) at Memory Express to get it for $128.

Pricematch Noctua NH-U14S from Newegg ($68) with Memory Express to get it for $63.

Not going to be any sales on a GTX 760, you can get one at Memory Express for like $240-$260 depending on which model you want.
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-13 20:46:14
July 13 2013 20:42 GMT
#7091
On July 14 2013 03:57 Spec wrote:
I got BSoD recently and did not write down the code in time. As a result, I've been solving my (3) recurring event errors.
I got through two of them smoothly... "Microsoft Security" and "Microsoft-window setup", by removing the respective corrupted files (which was remade after reboot).

The last Warning I could not solve.

It's a Kernal PnP
Show nested quote +
The driver \Driver\WUDFRd failed to load for the device ACPI\PNP0A0A\2&daba3ff&1.


Have anyone experience with this? I've found some solutions online regarding turning the WUDRd service from manual to automatic, but that actually made things worst on my computer.

My computer specs:
i5 Haswell OC to 4.4 GHz
Asus Z87-A Motherboard
gtx650 ti gigabyte graphics card

The BSoD has only happened once last night, been at least 1 month on this computer. There wasn't any kernal logs recorded except the unexpected reboot errors. I was just browsing when it happened.
Please let me know if more info is needed...


It's the Intel Management Engine device. If you install the drivers/software for it from your motherboard's support website, it should go away, but you can also ignore the error. I think it literally has no use whatsoever on a PC at home and will install and run a bunch of services, so you might be better off not installing the software.

It might also stop being logged as an error if you right-click and disable the unknown device with a yellow exclamation mark icon in the device manager. That one should be the Management Engine device.

EDIT: You might want to try a program called "blue screen view" to see if it finds past bsod's and shows the codes and perhaps some info about if a driver was involved.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
July 13 2013 20:51 GMT
#7092
On July 14 2013 05:36 skyR wrote:
Pricematch NCIX's price of the core i5 4670k at Memory Express to get it for $230. Should have bought three weeks ago when the i5 4670k was $195.

Samsung 840 120gb is on sale at Newegg and NCIX for $90, pricematch at Memory Express for $87.

Pricematch the Gigabyte Z87X-D3H from NCIX ($135) at Memory Express to get it for $128.

Pricematch Noctua NH-U14S from Newegg ($68) with Memory Express to get it for $63.

Not going to be any sales on a GTX 760, you can get one at Memory Express for like $240-$260 depending on which model you want.


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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-13 21:37:14
July 13 2013 21:23 GMT
#7093
On July 14 2013 05:36 skyR wrote:
Pricematch NCIX's price of the core i5 4670k at Memory Express to get it for $230. Should have bought three weeks ago when the i5 4670k was $195.

Samsung 840 120gb is on sale at Newegg and NCIX for $90, pricematch at Memory Express for $87.

Pricematch the Gigabyte Z87X-D3H from NCIX ($135) at Memory Express to get it for $128.

Pricematch Noctua NH-U14S from Newegg ($68) with Memory Express to get it for $63.

Not going to be any sales on a GTX 760, you can get one at Memory Express for like $240-$260 depending on which model you want.


So after lots of searching.... how does this look?

[image loading]

Should I just use the 4.99 UPS standard for shipping?

I know it's missing a case and a PSU, but I think I'll buy those local from NCIX... it seems that the video card requires 500W, so my understanding is that I should at least buy a 650W PSU??? But I can worry about that later.

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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
July 13 2013 21:44 GMT
#7094
The video card uses ~150w max. Your full load power consumption probably wouldn't hit 300w unless you overclocked CPU high and GPU considerably

I'd grab some ~2400 ram if you are overclocking CPU, it helps a lot in some cases. Not many, but 4.4ghz cpu with 2400 ram would outperform 4.6-4.7ghz cpu with 1600 in sc2
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
July 13 2013 21:50 GMT
#7095
Z87X-D3H is $134.99 at NCIX, not $124.99. The after mail in rebate price is not the price you pay at checkout.

Not sure how fast you want it but standard shipping is generally five days if you live in Ontario or BC so you'll end up getting it Thursday, Friday or Monday at the latest.
Spec
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Taiwan931 Posts
July 13 2013 22:09 GMT
#7096
On July 14 2013 05:42 Ropid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2013 03:57 Spec wrote:
I got BSoD recently and did not write down the code in time. As a result, I've been solving my (3) recurring event errors.
I got through two of them smoothly... "Microsoft Security" and "Microsoft-window setup", by removing the respective corrupted files (which was remade after reboot).

The last Warning I could not solve.

It's a Kernal PnP
The driver \Driver\WUDFRd failed to load for the device ACPI\PNP0A0A\2&daba3ff&1.


Have anyone experience with this? I've found some solutions online regarding turning the WUDRd service from manual to automatic, but that actually made things worst on my computer.

My computer specs:
i5 Haswell OC to 4.4 GHz
Asus Z87-A Motherboard
gtx650 ti gigabyte graphics card

The BSoD has only happened once last night, been at least 1 month on this computer. There wasn't any kernal logs recorded except the unexpected reboot errors. I was just browsing when it happened.
Please let me know if more info is needed...


It's the Intel Management Engine device. If you install the drivers/software for it from your motherboard's support website, it should go away, but you can also ignore the error. I think it literally has no use whatsoever on a PC at home and will install and run a bunch of services, so you might be better off not installing the software.

It might also stop being logged as an error if you right-click and disable the unknown device with a yellow exclamation mark icon in the device manager. That one should be the Management Engine device.

EDIT: You might want to try a program called "blue screen view" to see if it finds past bsod's and shows the codes and perhaps some info about if a driver was involved.

Hey thanks for response.
I got BSoD viewer, but there was no log for that crash.
So I saw the unrecognized Simple Communication thing in Device Manager earlier and already figured out it's Intel Management Engine, unfortunately I already installed that program. Is it worth it to go back and uninstall it?
That said, I have the IME installed, but I am still getting the error at boot up.
Lol new update, I re-installed IME and I got the error "Intel Management Interface is being disabled", followed by the old error message that needed the IME.
Is it recommended to ignore this situation?
Eye for an eye make the world go blind - Gandhi
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-13 22:16:06
July 13 2013 22:14 GMT
#7097
On July 14 2013 06:50 skyR wrote:
Z87X-D3H is $134.99 at NCIX, not $124.99. The after mail in rebate price is not the price you pay at checkout.

Not sure how fast you want it but standard shipping is generally five days if you live in Ontario or BC so you'll end up getting it Thursday, Friday or Monday at the latest.


Thank you for pointing this out; I've changed it.

On July 14 2013 06:44 Cyro wrote:
The video card uses ~150w max. Your full load power consumption probably wouldn't hit 300w unless you overclocked CPU high and GPU considerably

I'd grab some ~2400 ram if you are overclocking CPU, it helps a lot in some cases. Not many, but 4.4ghz cpu with 2400 ram would outperform 4.6-4.7ghz cpu with 1600 in sc2


I think I'll get these RAMs instead http://ncix.com/products/?sku=75134&vpn=PVI38G213C1K&manufacture=Patriot&promoid=1360

It's 2133 but I am not sure how much I will OC and not sure if I want to invest in 50-100 dollars more for those extra Hz.

Would you say that 500W PSU will be good enough then?
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
July 13 2013 22:23 GMT
#7098
People get less all the time, for an intel quad and single GPU system the corsair cx430 and rosewill capstone 450 are pretty popular buys

~2400 ram shouldnt cost much, there's been several deals recently for 8gb of it for $70 (or even $60), there's a ton on this page for example: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=Property&N=100007611&IsNodeId=1&PropertyCodeValue=524:55450,524:288992,524:301742,524:301744&bop=And&cm_sp=Memory17-_-VisNav-_-ExtremeGame,Memory17-_-VisNav-_-ExtremeGame&Order=PRICE&PageSize=20

The ram you linked though is 2133cas11 @1.5v, so you can probably get a bit more out of it by running at 1.65v like most of the other RAM kits would have you do anyway
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-13 22:41:18
July 13 2013 22:41 GMT
#7099
On July 14 2013 07:23 Cyro wrote:
People get less all the time, for an intel quad and single GPU system the corsair cx430 and rosewill capstone 450 are pretty popular buys

~2400 ram shouldnt cost much, there's been several deals recently for 8gb of it for $70 (or even $60), there's a ton on this page for example: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=Property&N=100007611&IsNodeId=1&PropertyCodeValue=524:55450,524:288992,524:301742,524:301744&bop=And&cm_sp=Memory17-_-VisNav-_-ExtremeGame,Memory17-_-VisNav-_-ExtremeGame&Order=PRICE&PageSize=20

The ram you linked though is 2133cas11 @1.5v, so you can probably get a bit more out of it by running at 1.65v like most of the other RAM kits would have you do anyway


Yeah OK I think I'll get those 2400 ones for RAM.... probably this one. http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX39111

It seems that for newegg I can get a mail-in rebate for the Corsair PSU (rebates never worked for me before,.... but I'll try!).... so I guess I'll get my PSU from newegg. As for the case I'll roll a die and randomly pick one from NCIX later.
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Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
July 13 2013 22:52 GMT
#7100
On July 14 2013 07:09 Spec wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2013 05:42 Ropid wrote:
On July 14 2013 03:57 Spec wrote:
I got BSoD recently and did not write down the code in time. As a result, I've been solving my (3) recurring event errors.
I got through two of them smoothly... "Microsoft Security" and "Microsoft-window setup", by removing the respective corrupted files (which was remade after reboot).

The last Warning I could not solve.

It's a Kernal PnP
The driver \Driver\WUDFRd failed to load for the device ACPI\PNP0A0A\2&daba3ff&1.


Have anyone experience with this? I've found some solutions online regarding turning the WUDRd service from manual to automatic, but that actually made things worst on my computer.

My computer specs:
i5 Haswell OC to 4.4 GHz
Asus Z87-A Motherboard
gtx650 ti gigabyte graphics card

The BSoD has only happened once last night, been at least 1 month on this computer. There wasn't any kernal logs recorded except the unexpected reboot errors. I was just browsing when it happened.
Please let me know if more info is needed...


It's the Intel Management Engine device. If you install the drivers/software for it from your motherboard's support website, it should go away, but you can also ignore the error. I think it literally has no use whatsoever on a PC at home and will install and run a bunch of services, so you might be better off not installing the software.

It might also stop being logged as an error if you right-click and disable the unknown device with a yellow exclamation mark icon in the device manager. That one should be the Management Engine device.

EDIT: You might want to try a program called "blue screen view" to see if it finds past bsod's and shows the codes and perhaps some info about if a driver was involved.

Hey thanks for response.
I got BSoD viewer, but there was no log for that crash.
So I saw the unrecognized Simple Communication thing in Device Manager earlier and already figured out it's Intel Management Engine, unfortunately I already installed that program. Is it worth it to go back and uninstall it?
That said, I have the IME installed, but I am still getting the error at boot up.
Lol new update, I re-installed IME and I got the error "Intel Management Interface is being disabled", followed by the old error message that needed the IME.
Is it recommended to ignore this situation?

I'd uninstall everything and ignore the device.

I have seen the software not working anymore after installing a beta BIOS version on a Z77 board. I think the software managing the device is split into two parts. There's what you install on Windows, and there's a module inside the BIOS, and maybe both have to fit together. Intel's website is too confusing to navigate for me, so I gave up trying to find newer versions of the software.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
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