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waffling1
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
599 Posts
June 02 2013 22:41 GMT
#6721
^ This is part of a larger problem of my computer crashing.

I was mining bitcoins and didn'dt have problem until now. When i came back after going out for an hour, the screen was in gibberish colors (not blue screen or black screen). I restarted, and windows wouldn't boot for a while. I removed my graphics card and it started behaving normally for a while, and crashed one more time eventually. Until now, it has been fine. But i still get I/O errors.

My SSD will randomly start going into high usage, and everything will start lagging. I'm wondering if that pesky sandforce driver problem of destroying SSDs finally kicked in. hence i'm trying to update my ssd firmware in teh above post.

But what's weird is my GPU is no longer detected. i tried reinstalling the drivers, but still no luck. Did my GPU die too? Would it have overheated from bitcoin mining? i've been mining for weeks now, with no problem. The door and window was closed to my room, but it's unlikely it would have pushed it over the temperature threshold at 11pm. my room didn't feel much hotter at all when i came back.

So i'm wondering if my SSD AND my GPU are having problems, or just my GPU. Long before, I had seen my GPU temps were at 50C to 55C when running at full capacity mining bitcoins. Is that unreasonable? is it more closer to 80-90C?
iokke
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1179 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-03 03:31:23
June 03 2013 01:21 GMT
#6722
My Lenovo y500 laptop will take too long to ship, besides haswell came out so I'mma cancel it and order a new one from newegg/xoticpc. Can someone plz help me decide between the following i7 4700MQ choices, listed by current preference:

1. $1050 Lenovo Y510p - GT 750M SLI; 12GB Ram; 15.6" glossy screen, ; 8GB SSD+1TB 5400m; no optical drive (so +$70 later for ultra-bay with dvd burner that I can swap with 1 of gt 750Ms) Price includes -$100 new customer coupon.

2. $1160 Sager NP8230 - GTX 770M; 8GB Ram, 15.6" matte screen, 750gb 7200rpm drive, dvd-rw

3. $910 Sager NP6652 - GT 750M; 8GB Ram, 15.6" IPS screen, 750gb 7200rpm drive, dvd-rw (and has much better battery life then other 2, but it'll be plugged in most of the time)

I'm leaning towards #1 cause I like the look, it will ship fastest, and it seems like the most bang for the buck of the 3. I've read that the screen isn't too bad for a glossy one. Comes with OS while Sagers don't at that price point.

Here are some quick questions:

Is IPS screen better than other screens? If so will I later be able to add another 750m to the sager np6652 to SLI them (guessing that's a no)? If yes to both I'll prolly go with $900 Sager. 3-5hrs on battery seems pretty sick, and I only need better vcard to be future proof

From what I've read GTX770m will perform about the same as GT 750M sli, is this true? If they're about the same might buy sager over lenovo cause I heard quality is great and I won't have to mess with SLI/swapping dvd-rw

Laptop will be used for gigs/occasional gaming. Thanks in advance!

links to laptops + coupon if anyone is shopping too:
+ Show Spoiler +

Y510p:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834312792&Tpk=Lenovo y510p&IsVirtualParent=1
Enter code: PCREFRESH13 at check out for new customer -$100 off laptops


Sager ones about halfway through the page:
http://www.xoticpc.com/custom-gaming-laptops-notebooks-15416-laptops-ct-95_51_149.html
Crop circles are Chuck Norris' way of telling the world that sometimes corn needs to lie the f*** down. rerereredit.. I never get it right the 1st time
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
June 03 2013 04:04 GMT
#6723
Hrm, i'll be recieving a replacement CPU fan later, but the heatsink paste isnt arriving for a couple weeks.

I have a Scythe Yasya which uses these strange clips to attach the fan to the heatsink.

Think its safe to disconnect the clips / fan and replace it without removing the heatsink? I mean i wont fuck up the CPU underneath by moving it a little will i? (I wont be disconnecting the things that hold the heatsink in place.)
Useless wet fish.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
June 03 2013 04:27 GMT
#6724
On June 03 2013 10:21 iokke wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
My Lenovo y500 laptop will take too long to ship, besides haswell came out so I'mma cancel it and order a new one from newegg/xoticpc. Can someone plz help me decide between the following i7 4700MQ choices, listed by current preference:

1. $1050 Lenovo Y510p - GT 750M SLI; 12GB Ram; 15.6" glossy screen, ; 8GB SSD+1TB 5400m; no optical drive (so +$70 later for ultra-bay with dvd burner that I can swap with 1 of gt 750Ms) Price includes -$100 new customer coupon.

2. $1160 Sager NP8230 - GTX 770M; 8GB Ram, 15.6" matte screen, 750gb 7200rpm drive, dvd-rw

3. $910 Sager NP6652 - GT 750M; 8GB Ram, 15.6" IPS screen, 750gb 7200rpm drive, dvd-rw (and has much better battery life then other 2, but it'll be plugged in most of the time)

I'm leaning towards #1 cause I like the look, it will ship fastest, and it seems like the most bang for the buck of the 3. I've read that the screen isn't too bad for a glossy one. Comes with OS while Sagers don't at that price point.

Here are some quick questions:

Is IPS screen better than other screens? If so will I later be able to add another 750m to the sager np6652 to SLI them (guessing that's a no)? If yes to both I'll prolly go with $900 Sager. 3-5hrs on battery seems pretty sick, and I only need better vcard to be future proof

From what I've read GTX770m will perform about the same as GT 750M sli, is this true? If they're about the same might buy sager over lenovo cause I heard quality is great and I won't have to mess with SLI/swapping dvd-rw

Laptop will be used for gigs/occasional gaming. Thanks in advance!

links to laptops + coupon if anyone is shopping too:
+ Show Spoiler +

Y510p:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834312792&Tpk=Lenovo y510p&IsVirtualParent=1
Enter code: PCREFRESH13 at check out for new customer -$100 off laptops


Sager ones about halfway through the page:
http://www.xoticpc.com/custom-gaming-laptops-notebooks-15416-laptops-ct-95_51_149.html


IPS screens are generally better than TN, yes.

Generally, you can't upgrade the GPUs on the laptop as they're soldered on. And even if you could, MXM is expensive so its rather stupid to do.

On June 03 2013 13:04 Capped wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Hrm, i'll be recieving a replacement CPU fan later, but the heatsink paste isnt arriving for a couple weeks.

I have a Scythe Yasya which uses these strange clips to attach the fan to the heatsink.

Think its safe to disconnect the clips / fan and replace it without removing the heatsink? I mean i wont fuck up the CPU underneath by moving it a little will i? (I wont be disconnecting the things that hold the heatsink in place.)


Most heatsinks use those clips to attach the fans. They're relatively easy to clip on / unclip so no you're not going to fuck something up unless you're extremely clumsy.
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
June 03 2013 04:38 GMT
#6725
^ I'll post here later when ive broken my mobo and cpu then xD

Thanks for the reply!
Useless wet fish.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
June 03 2013 04:39 GMT
#6726
What's a good way to determine if performance is being limited by throttling due to temperature (old laptop)?
twitch.tv/cratonz
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20343 Posts
June 03 2013 05:07 GMT
#6727
Monitor temps and clock speeds with somethings like coretemp, cpu-z and msi afterburner
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
iokke
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1179 Posts
June 03 2013 11:11 GMT
#6728
On June 03 2013 13:27 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2013 10:21 iokke wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
My Lenovo y500 laptop will take too long to ship, besides haswell came out so I'mma cancel it and order a new one from newegg/xoticpc. Can someone plz help me decide between the following i7 4700MQ choices, listed by current preference:

1. $1050 Lenovo Y510p - GT 750M SLI; 12GB Ram; 15.6" glossy screen, ; 8GB SSD+1TB 5400m; no optical drive (so +$70 later for ultra-bay with dvd burner that I can swap with 1 of gt 750Ms) Price includes -$100 new customer coupon.

2. $1160 Sager NP8230 - GTX 770M; 8GB Ram, 15.6" matte screen, 750gb 7200rpm drive, dvd-rw

3. $910 Sager NP6652 - GT 750M; 8GB Ram, 15.6" IPS screen, 750gb 7200rpm drive, dvd-rw (and has much better battery life then other 2, but it'll be plugged in most of the time)

I'm leaning towards #1 cause I like the look, it will ship fastest, and it seems like the most bang for the buck of the 3. I've read that the screen isn't too bad for a glossy one. Comes with OS while Sagers don't at that price point.

Here are some quick questions:

Is IPS screen better than other screens? If so will I later be able to add another 750m to the sager np6652 to SLI them (guessing that's a no)? If yes to both I'll prolly go with $900 Sager. 3-5hrs on battery seems pretty sick, and I only need better vcard to be future proof

From what I've read GTX770m will perform about the same as GT 750M sli, is this true? If they're about the same might buy sager over lenovo cause I heard quality is great and I won't have to mess with SLI/swapping dvd-rw

Laptop will be used for gigs/occasional gaming. Thanks in advance!

links to laptops + coupon if anyone is shopping too:
+ Show Spoiler +

Y510p:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834312792&Tpk=Lenovo y510p&IsVirtualParent=1
Enter code: PCREFRESH13 at check out for new customer -$100 off laptops


Sager ones about halfway through the page:
http://www.xoticpc.com/custom-gaming-laptops-notebooks-15416-laptops-ct-95_51_149.html


IPS screens are generally better than TN, yes.

Generally, you can't upgrade the GPUs on the laptop as they're soldered on. And even if you could, MXM is expensive so its rather stupid to do.



Thanks for the reply, in that case option #3 falls off because I want the laptop to be somewhat future proof.
Out of the two remaining which one should I go with?

1. $1050 Lenovo Y510p - GT 750M SLI; 12GB Ram; 15.6" glossy screen, ; 8GB SSD+1TB 5400m; no optical drive (so +$70 later for ultra-bay with dvd burner that I can swap with 1 of gt 750Ms)

2. $1160 Sager NP8230 - GTX 770M; 8GB Ram, 15.6" matte screen, 750gb 7200rpm drive, dvd-rw
Crop circles are Chuck Norris' way of telling the world that sometimes corn needs to lie the f*** down. rerereredit.. I never get it right the 1st time
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
June 03 2013 14:39 GMT
#6729
You do realize that there exist optical drives (or bays, etc.) with USB interfaces?

You don't want SLI unless you enjoy wrestling with settings and having some games, especially new releases, not work that well.

I don't know anything about that particular model, but my guess would be that the Sager (Clevo) has a cheaper feel and build quality. If you're somewhere where you can't control the lighting and a glossy screen would be a liability, take the second one.
iokke
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1179 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-05 02:30:14
June 03 2013 19:59 GMT
#6730
Thanks, don't think glossy screen will be an issue so I ordered Y510p and will prolly just get a usb optical drive from amazon, hopefully I won't have too many sli issues
edit - turns y510p was updated with a matte screen
Crop circles are Chuck Norris' way of telling the world that sometimes corn needs to lie the f*** down. rerereredit.. I never get it right the 1st time
bode927
Profile Joined April 2011
United States164 Posts
June 04 2013 14:03 GMT
#6731
Okay so I just built this PC about a month ago:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (Purchased For $180.00)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (Purchased For $95.00)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD3H ATX LGA1155 Motherboard (Purchased For $105.00)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (Purchased For $65.00)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk (Purchased For $90.00)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (Purchased For $65.00)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card (Purchased For $300.00)
Case: Corsair 500R White ATX Mid Tower Case (Purchased For $99.00)
Power Supply: Rosewill Capstone 550W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply (Purchased For $75.00)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer (Purchased For $15.00)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) (Purchased For $0.00)
Total: $1089.00
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-06-04 10:02 EDT-0400)

My question is, if I want to upgrade to crossfire (add another 7950) will my power supply provide enough juice? If not, how much would I need?
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20343 Posts
June 04 2013 14:18 GMT
#6732
What's your CPU OC? clockspeed/volts?

I'd trust the capstone 550 but probably not attempt to OC gpu's too
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-04 14:19:37
June 04 2013 14:19 GMT
#6733
You're pushing it but it should be OK considering the quality of your PSU. Since you're obviously overclocking, part of me would instinctively go for a model that has enough native PCIe plugs for your setup.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-04 20:03:48
June 04 2013 20:02 GMT
#6734
If you keep the GPUs locked down with PowerTune settings or just don't overclock them, it should be okay, as in nowhere close to 550W on a heavy load like a demanding game. Especially if you don't have a penchant for running combined CPU+GPU stress tests for hours, you're good to go, after you hook up those molex adapters etc.

GPU overvolts and bets are off. Ivy Bridge overclocked doesn't use too much power unless you're trying to burn the chip.

Kinda just dumb trivia, but IIRC Kingwin Lazer [sic] Gold 550 W, another Super Flower Golden Green unit, has 4 PCIe power connectors natively.
TheGreenMachine
Profile Joined March 2010
United States730 Posts
June 04 2013 20:50 GMT
#6735
Hey guys, ive got this new computer setup running but I need some software stuff done. I put my old hard drive into my new desktop alongside a new SSD. The old hard drive had xp from the previous computer so it blue screens. I need to reformat the old hard drive that will be used as storage, but how do I do that without installing windows? Right now im installing windows 7 on the SSD as my boot drive.

I have an XP cd, but not entirely sure what to do with it, it kinda blue screened while starting the reinstall windows process.
Don't forget to get everyone you know to play HOTS so this game we love called Starcraft will live on. Every little bit helps. ^^
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
June 04 2013 20:51 GMT
#6736
You can format the drive in Window's disk management.
Proxie
Profile Joined June 2010
United States90 Posts
June 04 2013 21:42 GMT
#6737
I know that the 3570k is recommended over 8350 but with the money i save it could go into a better gpu so my question is:
FX-8350+7950 or 3570k+7870xt?
Infernal_dream
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2359 Posts
June 04 2013 21:51 GMT
#6738
A 7870 is more than enough for 90% of games. So the latter. I mean I guess if you're not playing a lot of sc2 and the only thing you want is super ultra graphics you could go with the first one but the second choice is much better all around.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
June 04 2013 22:05 GMT
#6739
You only save like $20 getting the FX8350 over the 3570k and the price difference between a 7870 Tahiti LE and a 7950 is closer to $50 then it is to $20...
Proxie
Profile Joined June 2010
United States90 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-04 22:18:39
June 04 2013 22:16 GMT
#6740
On June 05 2013 07:05 skyR wrote:
You only save like $20 getting the FX8350 over the 3570k and the price difference between a 7870 Tahiti LE and a 7950 is closer to $50 then it is to $20...

I have a microcenter near me so i think I can can save about $50 assuming the asrock extreme4 is equivalent for both
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