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hey guys,
my old habu mouse is starting to fall apart, so I will need a new mouse in the near future. The main purpose, besides the usual work/surfing, will be playing sc2. I am using a 1920x1080 resolution, so low dpi mice dont cut it for me. I´m a palm gripper and am very picky when it comes to ergonomics. Ive checked all the usual, well-known mice currently on the market, but havent found one which I really like as an overall-package. It would be great if you could suggest me some mice which fit the following needs:
- suitable for palm grip. I dont like supersmall mice. I need something to grip with my whole hand. (the g9x for example doesnt fit my ergonomic preferences...)
- at least 2400 dpi, with adjustments available in small steps of 100 or 200. (this requirement, to name an example, rules out the new deathadder...)
- rubbered sides, at least on the thumb side
- polling rate adjustable to 500 hz. my pc somehow doesnt like 1000 hz rates, this lags out my whole pc. so I have no use for mice which use 1000 hz which cant be reduced. (this rules out the speedlink kudos, which I have already tried.)
- 2 side buttons for forward/backward navigation while surfing
- no big built-in hardware acceleration or prediction. no negative accel at all. some minor pos. accel is ok as I use high sens anyway.
- no too broad mousewheel/mousewheel-console. I stronly prefer to have my index and middle fingers relatively close together.
mice i have already tested and ruled out or ruled out without even testing:
- g9x: didnt like its ergonomics
- kudos: non-adjustable 1000 hz polling rate lagged my pc, the mousewheel was too broad for my liking
- deathadder 3600: slippery sides, dpi only adjustable in 4 steps: 1800 is too low for my liking, 3600 is way too high. I´d need something like 2.3k dpi.
- imperator: didnt like its ergonomics too much, no rubbered sides, lots of negative review on the net
- g500: dont like its ergonomics too much, big issues with prediction/acceleration.
- kone/kone[+]: very heavy, even for me who doesnt mind rather heavy mice... didnt like that edge on the right side where I would want to place my pinky...
- mx518: 1800 dpi is a bit too low for me, the mousewheel is a bit broad.
- mamba: ergonomics not as great as on deathadder/habu and the price is just ridiculous. I am willing to spend a lot on a mouse that really convinces me, but not THAT much....
as u can see, I have already tested pretty much all the "standard" mice, so I´m starting to get really desperate as I dont find a mouse I really like. would be cool if you could name some more mice that could fit my needs, in particular lesser known ones which I might have overlooked so far.
any helpful suggestions are welcome.
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steelseries ikari, my favorite in terms of ergonomics for palm grip. what mousepad do you use?
unfortunately i come from an fps background where 400dpi is common. you might have problems because almost every laser mouse has some acceleration depending on your surface.... i may be wrong though
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On November 18 2010 03:42 vicariouscheese wrote:
steelseries ikari, my favorite in terms of ergonomics for palm grip. what mousepad do you use?
unfortunately i come from an fps background where 400dpi is common. you might have problems because almost every laser mouse has some acceleration depending on your surface.... i may be wrong though
im using a razer goliathus mousepad
http://jp.razerzone.com/images/115_03.jpg
but thanks for the suggestion, i will look into it.
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i think ive already tested it in a local shop and didnt like its ergonomics. afaik its more of a fingertip/clawgrip mouse than a palm grip mouse. 
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Why don't you just get another habu? You can still find them online.
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On November 18 2010 04:21 Defeat wrote:
Why don't you just get another habu? You can still find them online.
ive considered that, but there are some things i didnt like about the habu. one is that i tend to get sweaty fingers during gaming, which makes the non-rubbered sides of the habu very slippery.
another point is that id prefer to increase my dpi slightly from 2000 to 2200 or 2300.
and i couldnt turn off the blue lights of the mouse properly. even if i turned them off in the drivers, after each reboot or wakeup from standby, they are turned on again and i have to switch the mouse profile to turn them off again. this is bothering me, and i have read of others with the same issue.
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Steelseries Xai or if the cheaper Ikari, these are great mice. Check them out !!
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are these recommendations good for claw grip? i am looking for a new mouse as well. could someone explain the 1000 hz distinction also? my computers firmly midrange and i dont want to start causing comp lag because of the mouse. i want laser as opposed to optical right? never spent much time looking at mice, but my current dell (lol) one needs replaced.
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On November 18 2010 05:50 hitman133 wrote:
Cyborg R.A.T 5
that mouse looks like its going to transform on my desk and shoot me in the eye.
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On November 18 2010 05:55 Vaporized wrote:that mouse looks like its going to transform on my desk and shoot me in the eye.
all the more reason to buy it.
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On November 18 2010 05:55 Vaporized wrote:that mouse looks like its going to transform on my desk and shoot me in the eye.
You haven't use it, have you?
Best mouse i ever have, super precise and accurate. like it in every way, also adjustable size and weight. Can't complain about it.
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http://www.mionix.net/page.php?al=naos5000
Palm grip, rubberized, good ergonomics, and light (but has weights if you need them). It has the same laser sensor as the G500 and Xai, so you would want to use a hard surface if you can to prevent acceleration issues.
Only thing is it's expensive. You could maybe go for the lower model 3200 if you are looking to spend less, but I personally don't know much about it.
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I use a g9x but I see that you ruled that out. The ergonomics kinda grew on me. I previously used a Razer DA but didn't like the slippery sides. If I were you I'd get either the Steelseries Xai. It is a palm grip mouse and it has the same shape as the IME3.0/DA/Habu. All share the same basic shape. You could also thing about getting one of the Cyborg RAT mice. It looks like it will tear your hand off but It is actually a really good mouse. It has options to adjust your thumb and pinky rest and the length of the mouse considering how large your hand is. Then you could change the weight. Hopefully Microsoft will make a new gaming mouse that has all features of the IME3.0 except with better scroll wheel, side buttons, and >2000DPI.
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It may not be very pretty, but by adding some painters tape (blue thin) to the sides of the deathadder you don't get that slippery plastic feeling.
Also palm grip here too, I always feel right at home when touching the DA.
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I use palmgrip and the Steelseries wow mouse has been working fine for me since release, and its extremely comofrtable, Ive had no issues and its very good looking though it may be a bit pricey.
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On November 19 2010 07:51 Dacendoran wrote:
I use palmgrip and the Steelseries wow mouse has been working fine for me since release, and its extremely comofrtable, Ive had no issues and its very good looking though it may be a bit pricey.
do u mean this disgraceful abomination of a mouse?
http://www.blogcdn.com/de.engadget.com/media/2008/10/steelseries-wow-mouse.jpg
no, thanks.
well guys, im really desperate. i today was in the largest media markt in the world (media markt = german/european version of best buy) with a large selection of mice, and didnt find any which would be fitting my needs.
the xai would be perfect if not for those retarded retarded sidebuttons on the right side, which are completely in the way of my ring and pinky fingers the way i grip my mouse....
the ikari wasnt really comfortable. this wow mouse is not comfortable... and a fucking joke of a mouse to use for anything but wow.
the rat 3/5/7 are interesting, but look very gimmicky. unfortunately, i cant adjust the exhibition model they got there to my ergonomics to see if i like it... hmmmmm
the kone[+] is indeed a bit heavy, that stupid edge where i would want to rest my pinky is annoying and the rubbered surfaces are surprisingly slippery... no.
the mouse whose ergonomics i like by far the most is the deathadder. well, no surprise as my habu is basically the same.... but i dont like that u cant use custom dpi steps on the DA and those slipperly sides are one of the main reasons why i dont want to buy a new habu to replace my old one... basically the DA would share the same problems as the habu...
*sigh*
thx for all the input guys, but i guess im a hopeless case. maybe someday a mouse like the xai will be released without the retarded ambidextrous design....
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On November 19 2010 08:09 Black Gun wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 07:51 Dacendoran wrote:
I use palmgrip and the Steelseries wow mouse has been working fine for me since release, and its extremely comofrtable, Ive had no issues and its very good looking though it may be a bit pricey. do u mean this disgraceful abomination of a mouse? http://www.blogcdn.com/de.engadget.com/media/2008/10/steelseries-wow-mouse.jpgno, thanks. well guys, im really desperate. i today was in the largest media markt in the world (media markt = german/european version of best buy) with a large selection of mice, and didnt find any which would be fitting my needs. the xai would be perfect if not for those retarded retarded sidebuttons on the right side, which are completely in the way of my ring and pinky fingers the way i grip my mouse.... the ikari wasnt really comfortable. this wow mouse is not comfortable... and a fucking joke of a mouse to use for anything but wow. the rat 3/5/7 are interesting, but look very gimmicky. unfortunately, i cant adjust the exhibition model they got there to my ergonomics to see if i like it... hmmmmm the kone[+] is indeed a bit heavy, that stupid edge where i would want to rest my pinky is annoying and the rubbered surfaces are surprisingly slippery... no. the mouse whose ergonomics i like by far the most is the deathadder. well, no surprise as my habu is basically the same.... but i dont like that u cant use custom dpi steps on the DA and those slipperly sides are one of the main reasons why i dont want to buy a new habu to replace my old one... basically the DA would share the same problems as the habu... *sigh* thx for all the input guys, but i guess im a hopeless case. maybe someday a mouse like the xai will be released without the retarded ambidextrous design....
I really suggest you try the mouse I suggested, especially since you're in Europe (and Mionix is a Swedish company) which would mean that it'd be easier to find in a brick and mortar store. It seems to me that how a mouse feels in your hand is very important to you and I have a feeling that you'll like the little notches it has for the ring and pinky finger. And like I said before, it's rubberized so you won't have that problem with slippage.
Nevertheless, it's a bit expensive. But if you're as picky as you seem to be about it, it still might be a good idea since you could be comfortable using it and not use a mouse you don't feel comfortable with for the next few years.
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On November 18 2010 05:50 hitman133 wrote:
Cyborg R.A.T 5
If you get that one you'll still need another for when you go at lans or if people come at your house lol
I have a deathadder and yes the dpi seemed high at first but i got used to it very quickly and i love it now
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On November 19 2010 10:56 Rhyick wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 08:09 Black Gun wrote:On November 19 2010 07:51 Dacendoran wrote:
I use palmgrip and the Steelseries wow mouse has been working fine for me since release, and its extremely comofrtable, Ive had no issues and its very good looking though it may be a bit pricey. do u mean this disgraceful abomination of a mouse? http://www.blogcdn.com/de.engadget.com/media/2008/10/steelseries-wow-mouse.jpgno, thanks. well guys, im really desperate. i today was in the largest media markt in the world (media markt = german/european version of best buy) with a large selection of mice, and didnt find any which would be fitting my needs. the xai would be perfect if not for those retarded retarded sidebuttons on the right side, which are completely in the way of my ring and pinky fingers the way i grip my mouse.... the ikari wasnt really comfortable. this wow mouse is not comfortable... and a fucking joke of a mouse to use for anything but wow. the rat 3/5/7 are interesting, but look very gimmicky. unfortunately, i cant adjust the exhibition model they got there to my ergonomics to see if i like it... hmmmmm the kone[+] is indeed a bit heavy, that stupid edge where i would want to rest my pinky is annoying and the rubbered surfaces are surprisingly slippery... no. the mouse whose ergonomics i like by far the most is the deathadder. well, no surprise as my habu is basically the same.... but i dont like that u cant use custom dpi steps on the DA and those slipperly sides are one of the main reasons why i dont want to buy a new habu to replace my old one... basically the DA would share the same problems as the habu... *sigh* thx for all the input guys, but i guess im a hopeless case. maybe someday a mouse like the xai will be released without the retarded ambidextrous design.... I really suggest you try the mouse I suggested, especially since you're in Europe (and Mionix is a Swedish company) which would mean that it'd be easier to find in a brick and mortar store. It seems to me that how a mouse feels in your hand is very important to you and I have a feeling that you'll like the little notches it has for the ring and pinky finger. And like I said before, it's rubberized so you won't have that problem with slippage. Nevertheless, it's a bit expensive. But if you're as picky as you seem to be about it, it still might be a good idea since you could be comfortable using it and not use a mouse you don't feel comfortable with for the next few years.
sounds interesting, but the shops here dont have it so its kinda problematic.... i wont buy a mouse i havent held in my own hands ( that was a one time mistake, never again....)
@guyaboveme:
so u say u are using the DA with 3.5k dpi? Oo
isnt that super super sensitive, to an extend that it hurts your control??
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3500dpi on the DA 3.5G is alright as long as you turn down the actual sensitivity. I found that 1800 DPI was sufficient with a bit lower sensitivity on a 1920x1080 screen. But I've assed that I use a g9x. I love the ability to change DPI in increments. makes a world of a difference.
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On November 19 2010 22:53 mardi wrote:
3500dpi on the DA 3.5G is alright as long as you turn down the actual sensitivity. I found that 1800 DPI was sufficient with a bit lower sensitivity on a 1920x1080 screen. But I've assed that I use a g9x. I love the ability to change DPI in increments. makes a world of a difference.
turning down the sensitivity softwarewise will lead to the same kind of unprecision as turning it up.
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![[image loading]](http://www.tcponline.com/images/Mouse/Logitech_G5.jpg)
look into the g5 its a great mouse.
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I just got one of the new Logitech G700s and am extremely happy with it so far.
Pros
- You can set the DPI in increments of 100 and ranging from 200 to 5700.
- You can turn off acceleration.
- You can turn off prediction (angle snapping).
- Same sensor as G9x but with the (imo) superior MX400 layout.
- Has wired and wireless modes (I only use wired).
- Has 8 extra bindable buttons (great for WoW).
- Can detect programs and set DPI accordingly (great for Brood War).
- Can set the polling rate (125, 200, 250, 333, 500, 1000). This is good if you own a mac because OSX only supports 125mhz.
Cons
- There is a flashing LED on the left hand side when you don't have the battery in, it isn't very bright so it doesn't keep me awake at night or anything but it is still annoying. I don't have the battery in because I only use wired mode. There is supposedly an update to SetPoint coming that will disable this functionality.
![[image loading]](http://www.hardwaresphere.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/logitech-g700-wireless-gaming-mouse.jpg)
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On November 20 2010 13:48 vek wrote:I just got one of the new Logitech G700s and am extremely happy with it so far. Pros - You can set the DPI in increments of 100 and ranging from 200 to 5700. - You can turn off acceleration. - You can turn off prediction (angle snapping). - Same sensor as G9x but with the (imo) superior MX400 layout. - Has wired and wireless modes (I only use wired). - Has 8 extra bindable buttons (great for WoW). - Can detect programs and set DPI accordingly (great for Brood War). - Can set the polling rate (125, 200, 250, 333, 500, 1000). This is good if you own a mac because OSX only supports 125mhz. Cons - There is a flashing LED on the left hand side when you don't have the battery in, it isn't very bright so it doesn't keep me awake at night or anything but it is still annoying. I don't have the battery in because I only use wired mode. There is supposedly an update to SetPoint coming that will disable this functionality.
does it have rubbered sides? and how heavy is it when the battery is taken out?
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On November 19 2010 11:50 Steel wrote:
If you get that one you'll still need another for when you go at lans or if people come at your house lolI have a deathadder and yes the dpi seemed high at first but i got used to it very quickly and i love it now
I dont get it ? why?
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On November 21 2010 10:12 Black Gun wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2010 13:48 vek wrote:I just got one of the new Logitech G700s and am extremely happy with it so far. Pros - You can set the DPI in increments of 100 and ranging from 200 to 5700. - You can turn off acceleration. - You can turn off prediction (angle snapping). - Same sensor as G9x but with the (imo) superior MX400 layout. - Has wired and wireless modes (I only use wired). - Has 8 extra bindable buttons (great for WoW). - Can detect programs and set DPI accordingly (great for Brood War). - Can set the polling rate (125, 200, 250, 333, 500, 1000). This is good if you own a mac because OSX only supports 125mhz. Cons - There is a flashing LED on the left hand side when you don't have the battery in, it isn't very bright so it doesn't keep me awake at night or anything but it is still annoying. I don't have the battery in because I only use wired mode. There is supposedly an update to SetPoint coming that will disable this functionality. + Show Spoiler + does it have rubbered sides? and how heavy is it when the battery is taken out?
Yeah it has textured rubbered sides. 135 grams without the battery.
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On November 21 2010 14:56 vek wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 10:12 Black Gun wrote:On November 20 2010 13:48 vek wrote:I just got one of the new Logitech G700s and am extremely happy with it so far. Pros - You can set the DPI in increments of 100 and ranging from 200 to 5700. - You can turn off acceleration. - You can turn off prediction (angle snapping). - Same sensor as G9x but with the (imo) superior MX400 layout. - Has wired and wireless modes (I only use wired). - Has 8 extra bindable buttons (great for WoW). - Can detect programs and set DPI accordingly (great for Brood War). - Can set the polling rate (125, 200, 250, 333, 500, 1000). This is good if you own a mac because OSX only supports 125mhz. Cons - There is a flashing LED on the left hand side when you don't have the battery in, it isn't very bright so it doesn't keep me awake at night or anything but it is still annoying. I don't have the battery in because I only use wired mode. There is supposedly an update to SetPoint coming that will disable this functionality. + Show Spoiler + does it have rubbered sides? and how heavy is it when the battery is taken out? Yeah it has textured rubbered sides. 135 grams without the battery.
wow. thats way too heavy 
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You're sure the sidebuttons of the Xai get in the way? I never accidently clicked them with my ring finger, but i always clicked the opposite sidebutton of the Logitech g3, that was annoying. i think you dont really know until you try.
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get this one:
![[image loading]](http://www.nopirkts.bit2u.lv/cache/product_images/big/20100505/labtec_laser_glow_mouse_1600_910-000832.jpg_910-000832_1001_e0d.jpg)
Its cheap (15euro), dpi issue is just a bad joke (there is option bar where you can set the movement sensibility and there is not much difference between this one and 200+ euro ridiculously overpriced mouse unless you have way too much money in your pocket)
and its pretty handy and small what i really like about it. I tried to use big fat logitech (g5 i think) and i just cant cope with it.
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I've posted in most of these mousethreads. Don't be intimidated by high DPI. High DPI does not equal high sensitivity. I use a Death adder on max DPI with lowered sense settings, I can make it feel like a 400dpi mouse without even touching the sense settings in windows (on 3600dpi). Just lower the X/Y sense in the Razer HUD and you're set. I can bet you most other good gaming mice have the same function. generally, higher dpi is better unless you have an unstable hand.
as for suggestion, buy this. fulfills all your requirements.
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I've posted in most of these mousethreads. Don't be intimidated by high DPI. High DPI does not equal high sensitivity. I use a Death adder on max DPI with lowered sense settings, I can make it feel like a 400dpi mouse without even touching the sense settings in windows (on 3600dpi). Just lower the X/Y sense in the Razer HUD and you're set. I can bet you most other good gaming mice have the same function. generally, higher dpi is better unless you have an unstable hand.
No, CPI is purely sensitivity, nothing else. It is simply a measure of how many times the sensor registers movement per inch. The counts can be interpolated to achieve lower sensitivity without turning down CPI (e.g. 2 counts per pixel, 4 counts per pixel, etc.) but it has exactly the same effect as using a lower CPI setting (unless the interpolation isn't done in whole numbers, e.g. 1.5 counts per pixel).
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On November 22 2010 04:04 Maetl wrote:Show nested quote +I've posted in most of these mousethreads. Don't be intimidated by high DPI. High DPI does not equal high sensitivity. I use a Death adder on max DPI with lowered sense settings, I can make it feel like a 400dpi mouse without even touching the sense settings in windows (on 3600dpi). Just lower the X/Y sense in the Razer HUD and you're set. I can bet you most other good gaming mice have the same function. generally, higher dpi is better unless you have an unstable hand. No, CPI is purely sensitivity, nothing else. It is simply a measure of how many times the sensor registers movement per inch. The counts can be interpolated to achieve lower sensitivity without turning down CPI (e.g. 2 counts per pixel, 4 counts per pixel, etc.) but it has exactly the same effect as using a lower CPI setting (unless the interpolation isn't done in whole numbers, e.g. 1.5 counts per pixel).
Yes I know, but the fact is you still gain the additional precision from having high DPI/CPI while still avoiding the high sensitivity that comes with it. I'll quote wikipedia on this (take it for what it is):
The CPI or DPI as reported by manufacturers depends on how they make the mouse; the higher the CPI, the faster the cursor moves with mouse movement. However, software can adjust the mouse sensitivity, making the cursor move faster or slower than its CPI.
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On November 22 2010 04:04 Maetl wrote:Show nested quote +I've posted in most of these mousethreads. Don't be intimidated by high DPI. High DPI does not equal high sensitivity. I use a Death adder on max DPI with lowered sense settings, I can make it feel like a 400dpi mouse without even touching the sense settings in windows (on 3600dpi). Just lower the X/Y sense in the Razer HUD and you're set. I can bet you most other good gaming mice have the same function. generally, higher dpi is better unless you have an unstable hand. No, CPI is purely sensitivity, nothing else. It is simply a measure of how many times the sensor registers movement per inch. The counts can be interpolated to achieve lower sensitivity without turning down CPI (e.g. 2 counts per pixel, 4 counts per pixel, etc.) but it has exactly the same effect as using a lower CPI setting (unless the interpolation isn't done in whole numbers, e.g. 1.5 counts per pixel).
yea, but such fractions would be needed as the interpolating factor. and the game/software itself can only register whole pixels, so using such an uneven interpolation would mean that, depending on the location of the cursor on the screen, a one inch move could mean travelling e.g. 3 or 4 pixels. so the same physical mouse movement would translate into differing movements on the screen.
this is bullshit and pretty much as bad as the pixel skipping u get when turning the sensitivity beyond a 1:1 ratio.
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On November 22 2010 04:35 drlame wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2010 04:04 Maetl wrote:I've posted in most of these mousethreads. Don't be intimidated by high DPI. High DPI does not equal high sensitivity. I use a Death adder on max DPI with lowered sense settings, I can make it feel like a 400dpi mouse without even touching the sense settings in windows (on 3600dpi). Just lower the X/Y sense in the Razer HUD and you're set. I can bet you most other good gaming mice have the same function. generally, higher dpi is better unless you have an unstable hand. No, CPI is purely sensitivity, nothing else. It is simply a measure of how many times the sensor registers movement per inch. The counts can be interpolated to achieve lower sensitivity without turning down CPI (e.g. 2 counts per pixel, 4 counts per pixel, etc.) but it has exactly the same effect as using a lower CPI setting (unless the interpolation isn't done in whole numbers, e.g. 1.5 counts per pixel). Yes I know, but the fact is you still gain the additional precision from having high DPI/CPI while still avoiding the high sensitivity that comes with it. I'll quote wikipedia on this (take it for what it is): Show nested quote +The CPI or DPI as reported by manufacturers depends on how they make the mouse; the higher the CPI, the faster the cursor moves with mouse movement. However, software can adjust the mouse sensitivity, making the cursor move faster or slower than its CPI.
Except you don't gain any additional precision because interpolation discards extraneous counts.
yea, but such fractions would be needed as the interpolating factor. and the game/software itself can only register whole pixels, so using such an uneven interpolation would mean that, depending on the location of the cursor on the screen, a one inch move could mean travelling e.g. 3 or 4 pixels. so the same physical mouse movement would translate into differing movements on the screen.
this is bullshit and pretty much as bad as the pixel skipping u get when turning the sensitivity beyond a 1:1 ratio.
I'm not entirely sure if you are agreeing with me or not. I know non-whole interpolation is bad, and I made that point.
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On November 22 2010 04:46 Maetl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2010 04:35 drlame wrote:On November 22 2010 04:04 Maetl wrote:I've posted in most of these mousethreads. Don't be intimidated by high DPI. High DPI does not equal high sensitivity. I use a Death adder on max DPI with lowered sense settings, I can make it feel like a 400dpi mouse without even touching the sense settings in windows (on 3600dpi). Just lower the X/Y sense in the Razer HUD and you're set. I can bet you most other good gaming mice have the same function. generally, higher dpi is better unless you have an unstable hand. No, CPI is purely sensitivity, nothing else. It is simply a measure of how many times the sensor registers movement per inch. The counts can be interpolated to achieve lower sensitivity without turning down CPI (e.g. 2 counts per pixel, 4 counts per pixel, etc.) but it has exactly the same effect as using a lower CPI setting (unless the interpolation isn't done in whole numbers, e.g. 1.5 counts per pixel). Yes I know, but the fact is you still gain the additional precision from having high DPI/CPI while still avoiding the high sensitivity that comes with it. I'll quote wikipedia on this (take it for what it is): The CPI or DPI as reported by manufacturers depends on how they make the mouse; the higher the CPI, the faster the cursor moves with mouse movement. However, software can adjust the mouse sensitivity, making the cursor move faster or slower than its CPI. Except you don't gain any additional precision because interpolation discards extraneous counts. Show nested quote +yea, but such fractions would be needed as the interpolating factor. and the game/software itself can only register whole pixels, so using such an uneven interpolation would mean that, depending on the location of the cursor on the screen, a one inch move could mean travelling e.g. 3 or 4 pixels. so the same physical mouse movement would translate into differing movements on the screen.
this is bullshit and pretty much as bad as the pixel skipping u get when turning the sensitivity beyond a 1:1 ratio. I'm not entirely sure if you are agreeing with me or not. I know non-whole interpolation is bad, and I made that point.
yes, i agree with that. i just offered a more technical explanation why its bad. so yes, if the software doesnt offer other solutions, which is the case in sc2, the only way to adjust the sensitivity without losing precision is via adjusting the dpi. both increasing the ratio between sensor input and software output over 1:1 (6/11 in windows) or reducing it below 1:1 will have unpleasing consequences.
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On November 19 2010 08:09 Black Gun wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 07:51 Dacendoran wrote:
I use palmgrip and the Steelseries wow mouse has been working fine for me since release, and its extremely comofrtable, Ive had no issues and its very good looking though it may be a bit pricey. do u mean this disgraceful abomination of a mouse? http://www.blogcdn.com/de.engadget.com/media/2008/10/steelseries-wow-mouse.jpg+ Show Spoiler +no, thanks. well guys, im really desperate. i today was in the largest media markt in the world (media markt = german/european version of best buy) with a large selection of mice, and didnt find any which would be fitting my needs. the xai would be perfect if not for those retarded retarded sidebuttons on the right side, which are completely in the way of my ring and pinky fingers the way i grip my mouse.... the ikari wasnt really comfortable. this wow mouse is not comfortable... and a fucking joke of a mouse to use for anything but wow. the rat 3/5/7 are interesting, but look very gimmicky. unfortunately, i cant adjust the exhibition model they got there to my ergonomics to see if i like it... hmmmmm the kone[+] is indeed a bit heavy, that stupid edge where i would want to rest my pinky is annoying and the rubbered surfaces are surprisingly slippery... no. the mouse whose ergonomics i like by far the most is the deathadder. well, no surprise as my habu is basically the same.... but i dont like that u cant use custom dpi steps on the DA and those slipperly sides are one of the main reasons why i dont want to buy a new habu to replace my old one... basically the DA would share the same problems as the habu... *sigh* thx for all the input guys, but i guess im a hopeless case. maybe someday a mouse like the xai will be released without the retarded ambidextrous design....
Holy fucking shit this is the ugliest mouse I've ever seen. Plus it has WoW on it. What's next, spikes that stab your hand when you grip it?
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Have you looked into the microsoft sidewinders?
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HP Laser Gaming Mouse
This HP mouse is lesser know. I bought it, but it was a bit too palmy for me (it has a little too much of a bump in your palm to me, but otherwise felt pretty good). You may like it, but I replaced it with a deathadder, which I feel has better ergonomics. Nevertheless, you can change the DPI on this one to 2400, which is close to what you wanted? (sorry, no increments.) You can also manually adjust the weight of the mouse, which is nice.
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Also, I recommend this mouse pad: Rocketfish Mouse Pad. For 20 bucks it is made of a really sturdy steel build, and its aesthetics are great. It definitely is a lot better than the Razer Destructor and Vespula (minus wrist rest) that I have tried, which seemed sort of flimsy. It also has two different types of surfaces.
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On November 22 2010 06:40 Encrypto wrote:Also, I recommend this mouse pad: Rocketfish Mouse Pad. For 20 bucks it is made of a really sturdy steel build, and its aesthetics are great. It definitely is a lot better than the Razer Destructor and Vespula (minus wrist rest) that I have tried, which seemed sort of flimsy. It also has two different types of surfaces.
I'd recommend one of the SteelSeries QcK line over pretty much anything else. The "mini" (which is the size of a regular mouse pad) is around $7 and the "normal" version is only around $16 or something. They're widely held to be possibly the best bang for your buck when it comes to mouse pads, and you'll see tons of people using them. I love my QcK Mini.
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On November 22 2010 06:49 Char711 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2010 06:40 Encrypto wrote:Also, I recommend this mouse pad: Rocketfish Mouse Pad. For 20 bucks it is made of a really sturdy steel build, and its aesthetics are great. It definitely is a lot better than the Razer Destructor and Vespula (minus wrist rest) that I have tried, which seemed sort of flimsy. It also has two different types of surfaces. I'd recommend one of the SteelSeries QcK line over pretty much anything else. The "mini" (which is the size of a regular mouse pad) is around $7 and the "normal" version is only around $16 or something. They're widely held to be possibly the best bang for your buck when it comes to mouse pads, and you'll see tons of people using them. I love my QcK Mini.
Just remember, though, that if you have a mouse with an Avago 9500 sensor (G500, G9X, Xai, Naos 5000, etc.), that you'll want a hard mouse pad instead of a soft one like the QcK to prevent acceleration issues. That said, the QcK is still a great pad for cheap !
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buy a new habu ;D its an awesome mouse
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On November 22 2010 06:49 Char711 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2010 06:40 Encrypto wrote:Also, I recommend this mouse pad: Rocketfish Mouse Pad. For 20 bucks it is made of a really sturdy steel build, and its aesthetics are great. It definitely is a lot better than the Razer Destructor and Vespula (minus wrist rest) that I have tried, which seemed sort of flimsy. It also has two different types of surfaces. I'd recommend one of the SteelSeries QcK line over pretty much anything else. The "mini" (which is the size of a regular mouse pad) is around $7 and the "normal" version is only around $16 or something. They're widely held to be possibly the best bang for your buck when it comes to mouse pads, and you'll see tons of people using them. I love my QcK Mini.
The QcK Mini may be a good mouse pad, but only if you like soft, cloth/rubber mouse pads. A lot of people prefer hard ones (like me), just like Rhyick said, because soft ones have much more friction. I like my mouse to glide. Also, I read some reviews that said the QcK mini was not much different than a generic mouse pad.
The rocket fish has 2 different surfaces: one is textured and one is smooth, which is great to fit your type of style. Also, the RocketFish mat is a few inches bigger on each side. I recommended this one because you won't find a build quality like this from Razer, not to mention the price tag is unbelievable.
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I'm still using my old MX518. It has served me well throughout my CSS days and TF2, and I dare say that FPS>SC2 in terms of requiring pixel perfect accuracy.
also using http://ncix.com/products/?sku=35882&vpn=63010&manufacture=Steelseries as a mousepad.
I still use somewhat low sensitivity from my FPS days, so it takes about 1/3 the mousepad to get from one side of the screen to the other.
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Thanks, Rhyick, for pointing that out! Good thing for people to know. I'm surprised at the number of popular mice in that group, since I haven't heard so many complaints, though. Certainly interesting. Glad that what I'm switching to (MX518 --> DeathAdder) won't have a problem!
I'm going to have to disagree about it being the same as a generic pad, Encrypto. Not even considering the fact that it honestly costs the same as a generic pad probably would, it's the exact same make as the rest of the QcK line. Considering how popular and lauded it is, especially on this forum, I think we can reasonably say that there is a reason why. I'm not sure if I could adequately explain what makes it so nice, but just looking at it and feeling it when I use it has really impressed me, and I'm one of those people who thought that no pad and just using my desk was totally fine for years.
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