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DivinO
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4796 Posts
October 10 2010 15:31 GMT
#241
The apple is beautiful, and the keyboard is expensive. :D
LiquipediaBrain in my filth.
sely
Profile Joined June 2009
United States30 Posts
October 10 2010 16:04 GMT
#242
I see most people quoting the price of the Filco keyboard as $140 or more, but the one Cool is using is the $109 Majestouch w/o NKRO. Not only is NKRO relatively useless in RTS games, but in order to use true NKRO the keyboard must be plugged into a PS/2 port which is illegal in tournaments because it is not hot-swappable and trying to hot swap PS/2 devices can fry motherboards.

Incidentally, I have this keyboard as well as a DT35 and there is absolutely no comparison. Using rubber dome keyboards after the FIlco is uncomfortable to say the least. Yes, the Filco keyboards are relatively expensive but after using one for a few days you will have a hard time going back. And while Filco keyboards are not specifically made for gaming, there is no gaming keyboard that is better for gaming than this Filco. Glad to see Razer making a mechanical keyboard, but the choice of Cherry Blues over Browns or Blacks is completely stupid. Also, any keyboard with more than the standard 104 keys is garbage and should be avoided.
DeadlyStar
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany82 Posts
October 10 2010 16:08 GMT
#243
yeah the point with the nkro is true when you only play rts, when not its nice to have , got killed so many times in shooters cause my old keyboards didnt have it :D
DaRkFrosT
Profile Joined September 2010
United States407 Posts
October 10 2010 16:26 GMT
#244
On October 11 2010 01:04 sely wrote:
I see most people quoting the price of the Filco keyboard as $140 or more, but the one Cool is using is the $109 Majestouch w/o NKRO. Not only is NKRO relatively useless in RTS games, but in order to use true NKRO the keyboard must be plugged into a PS/2 port which is illegal in tournaments because it is not hot-swappable and trying to hot swap PS/2 devices can fry motherboards.

Incidentally, I have this keyboard as well as a DT35 and there is absolutely no comparison. Using rubber dome keyboards after the FIlco is uncomfortable to say the least. Yes, the Filco keyboards are relatively expensive but after using one for a few days you will have a hard time going back. And while Filco keyboards are not specifically made for gaming, there is no gaming keyboard that is better for gaming than this Filco. Glad to see Razer making a mechanical keyboard, but the choice of Cherry Blues over Browns or Blacks is completely stupid. Also, any keyboard with more than the standard 104 keys is garbage and should be avoided.


I was wondering, whats the difference between the Blues, Browns, blacks?

I'm considering buying this Filco, but what do most of you suggest? the 87 key or the 104 key one?
Libera me from hell.
NotJack
Profile Joined December 2009
United States737 Posts
October 10 2010 16:29 GMT
#245
That apple is an unfair advantage every player should have one
EZjijy
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1039 Posts
October 10 2010 16:43 GMT
#246
On October 11 2010 01:26 StatiC)Ex( wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2010 01:04 sely wrote:
I see most people quoting the price of the Filco keyboard as $140 or more, but the one Cool is using is the $109 Majestouch w/o NKRO. Not only is NKRO relatively useless in RTS games, but in order to use true NKRO the keyboard must be plugged into a PS/2 port which is illegal in tournaments because it is not hot-swappable and trying to hot swap PS/2 devices can fry motherboards.

Incidentally, I have this keyboard as well as a DT35 and there is absolutely no comparison. Using rubber dome keyboards after the FIlco is uncomfortable to say the least. Yes, the Filco keyboards are relatively expensive but after using one for a few days you will have a hard time going back. And while Filco keyboards are not specifically made for gaming, there is no gaming keyboard that is better for gaming than this Filco. Glad to see Razer making a mechanical keyboard, but the choice of Cherry Blues over Browns or Blacks is completely stupid. Also, any keyboard with more than the standard 104 keys is garbage and should be avoided.


I was wondering, whats the difference between the Blues, Browns, blacks?

I'm considering buying this Filco, but what do most of you suggest? the 87 key or the 104 key one?

http://www.elitekeyboards.com/support.php?lang=en#1a

Basically, Black = smooth, Brown = "click"/quiet, Blue = "click"/loud.

You should get a regular size keyboard unless you really seem tight on space. You pay 20 more dollars to remove the number pad.
sely
Profile Joined June 2009
United States30 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-10 16:51:04
October 10 2010 16:50 GMT
#247
On October 11 2010 01:26 StatiC)Ex( wrote:
I was wondering, whats the difference between the Blues, Browns, blacks?

I'm considering buying this Filco, but what do most of you suggest? the 87 key or the 104 key one?


Here is a link with detailed information about each switch: http://elitekeyboards.com/support.php?lang=en#1a

Basically, the Blues are the same as Browns but they make a click when pressed. They are both tactile, meaning there is a subtle "bump" in the downstroke of the key. Black switches are linear. They are not clicky, and do not have the bump in the downstroke. They are made for gaming, especially FPS games.

Personally, I would recommend the Browns. 87 vs. 104 key is just personal preference.

(EDIT: sorry, guess Repok beat me to it)
gulii
Profile Joined November 2004
Sweden2795 Posts
October 10 2010 17:00 GMT
#248
On October 04 2010 07:57 fisheh wrote:
what kind of apple is he using


Haha, I lol hard on this!
cmh
Profile Joined December 2005
United States88 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-10 17:32:19
October 10 2010 17:18 GMT
#249
On October 11 2010 01:26 StatiC)Ex( wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2010 01:04 sely wrote:
I see most people quoting the price of the Filco keyboard as $140 or more, but the one Cool is using is the $109 Majestouch w/o NKRO. Not only is NKRO relatively useless in RTS games, but in order to use true NKRO the keyboard must be plugged into a PS/2 port which is illegal in tournaments because it is not hot-swappable and trying to hot swap PS/2 devices can fry motherboards.

Incidentally, I have this keyboard as well as a DT35 and there is absolutely no comparison. Using rubber dome keyboards after the FIlco is uncomfortable to say the least. Yes, the Filco keyboards are relatively expensive but after using one for a few days you will have a hard time going back. And while Filco keyboards are not specifically made for gaming, there is no gaming keyboard that is better for gaming than this Filco. Glad to see Razer making a mechanical keyboard, but the choice of Cherry Blues over Browns or Blacks is completely stupid. Also, any keyboard with more than the standard 104 keys is garbage and should be avoided.


I was wondering, whats the difference between the Blues, Browns, blacks?

I'm considering buying this Filco, but what do most of you suggest? the 87 key or the 104 key one?


I use brown switches and prefer them over my other keyboard with blacks. It feels much easier to press keys for me especially when I spam my keyboard during a match. Having said that if my keyboard broke today(which it wont it's a Filco) I would have no problem playing on the other keyboard with black switches, but never will I go back to a standard rubber dome keyboard! lol


I know Tester & Fruit Dealer are both using Filcos with browns, and a new video of BoxeR playing at the GSL qualification Day 2 shows him using a mechanical keyboard with blue switches.

As for the 87 or 104 the only difference is that the 87 removes the numpad to save space and every version of the 87 supports full N-Key Roll Over. I bought the 104 keyboard since it was the cheapest(non-NKRO version) and at the time the 87 was out of stock.


Another think to point out on the NKRO debate that sely was talking about, I know for a fact at MLG Raleigh both members of fnatic and team eg where freaking out looking for a ps/2 to usb adapters for their Steelseries keyboards or the MLG admins would not allow them to participate in the tournament. Like sely said many tournaments do not allow ps/2 which is required for full N-Key Roll Over, but if your just massing games at home this is obviously a non issue. Going to a tourney, just bring an adapter in case, SC players dont need full NKRO.
kawatan
Profile Joined January 2010
288 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-10 17:35:21
October 10 2010 17:34 GMT
#250
well if anyone is curious (T)BoxeR or manofoneway uses a scorpius m10 (basically mechanical kb that uses the same switches (Z)Fruitseller has on his).
cmh
Profile Joined December 2005
United States88 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-10 17:42:10
October 10 2010 17:39 GMT
#251
On October 11 2010 02:34 kawatan wrote:
well if anyone is curious (T)BoxeR or manofoneway uses a scorpius m10 (basically mechanical kb that uses the same switches (Z)Fruitseller has on his).



Yea its this one right here http://lousyhero.com/blaze/aug09sale/scorpkey.jpg

Thx i was curious which Ione model that was. I hear these are not built as good as the Filcos
but its one of the cheaper mechanical keyboards you can find in terms of price which come with MX blues.
Thrill
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
2599 Posts
October 10 2010 23:06 GMT
#252
On October 11 2010 02:34 kawatan wrote:
well if anyone is curious (T)BoxeR or manofoneway uses a scorpius m10 (basically mechanical kb that uses the same switches (Z)Fruitseller has on his).


Same as in both being Cherry, yes. They are however of different type. Boxer using blues, Fruit using browns.
lynx.oblige
Profile Joined August 2009
Sierra Leone2268 Posts
October 10 2010 23:18 GMT
#253
Blues are just a tad bit (~5G) harder to actuate but it's not too big of a difference. The primary difference though is the click, whether or not that turns you off or on is up to you.
Everyone needs a nemesis.
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
October 10 2010 23:30 GMT
#254
On October 11 2010 02:18 cmh wrote: Like sely said many tournaments do not allow ps/2 which is required for full N-Key Roll Over, but if your just massing games at home this is obviously a non issue. Going to a tourney, just bring an adapter in case, SC players dont need full NKRO.

If the admins care to look, they'll know that it's a ps/2 keyboard with an adapter attached. It's really risky bringing a ps/2 keyboard to a tournament that doesn't allow them. MLG Raleigh had to allow the players to use adapters because otherwise a ton of players would have been disqualified and their debut SC2 tournament would have been a joke. They're not going to allow ps/2 keyboards anymore. SC2 players should just get the USB since they don't need the NKRO like you said
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
lynx.oblige
Profile Joined August 2009
Sierra Leone2268 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-10 23:41:08
October 10 2010 23:37 GMT
#255
Definitely another plus to getting a FILCO, as they are all USB but with a PS/2 adapter.

Even their lesser known KBs, the Happy Hacking and Topre Realforce keyboards are all USB (incase it matters to anyone).
Everyone needs a nemesis.
Aim Here
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Scotland672 Posts
October 10 2010 23:41 GMT
#256
I can understand not allowing people to use the ps/2 slot on the computer, since plugging things into there requires rebooting the machine and wastes a bunch of time.

What's the rationale for not allowing people to use a ps/2 keyboard with a USB adapter, though? If the adapter doesn't work properly with the keyboard and computer, then that's the player's fault and he can safely be made to forfeit due to having faulty equipment which it was his job to provide.
Aro_X
Profile Joined February 2009
United States106 Posts
October 10 2010 23:49 GMT
#257
just to throw this out there for those that want the black switches, the steelseries 6gv2 is a usb keyboard which comes with a usb to ps/2 adapter .
You're slow, even when falling.
lynx.oblige
Profile Joined August 2009
Sierra Leone2268 Posts
October 10 2010 23:52 GMT
#258
I'm pretty sure it has to do with the actual PS/2 connection on the motherboard itself rather than the PS/2 connector on the KB.
Everyone needs a nemesis.
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-11 05:08:28
October 11 2010 05:05 GMT
#259
On October 11 2010 08:30 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2010 02:18 cmh wrote: Like sely said many tournaments do not allow ps/2 which is required for full N-Key Roll Over, but if your just massing games at home this is obviously a non issue. Going to a tourney, just bring an adapter in case, SC players dont need full NKRO.

If the admins care to look, they'll know that it's a ps/2 keyboard with an adapter attached. It's really risky bringing a ps/2 keyboard to a tournament that doesn't allow them. MLG Raleigh had to allow the players to use adapters because otherwise a ton of players would have been disqualified and their debut SC2 tournament would have been a joke. They're not going to allow ps/2 keyboards anymore. SC2 players should just get the USB since they don't need the NKRO like you said

You rarely need full nkro usually 4 keys + 2 modifiers cover most cases that being said a keyboard with full support not just wasd block support. Esp a game like SC2 where in perfection you'd only be pushing 2 keys max so 3 key roll over is good enough

Also ps/2 isn't fit for a tournament setting really. You're slowly killing your keyboard hot-plugging like you would for a tournament; which USB doesn't suffer from.
DysFUNKtional
Profile Joined May 2009
Canada51 Posts
October 11 2010 21:32 GMT
#260
can anyone compare this to the SteelSeries 7g? I've been thinking about buying the 7g but this thread is making me reconsider. If anyone can enlighten me that would be wonderful and greatly appreciated.
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