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Melancholia
Profile Joined March 2010
United States717 Posts
August 14 2010 21:42 GMT
#21
Except it still runs badly on low. Not as badly, but not as well as it does when the game is functioning normally on medium/high settings. Perfomance varies somewhat based on maps, but not drastically, and there is certainly no spectacular drop off at any point. The performance hit is omnipresent.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
August 14 2010 21:53 GMT
#22
Its sad they bumped the graphics up to where i lag on low when i didnt during beta..

Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
jaj22
Profile Joined September 2009
United Kingdom1376 Posts
August 14 2010 23:17 GMT
#23
On August 15 2010 06:42 Melancholia wrote:
Except it still runs badly on low. Not as badly, but not as well as it does when the game is functioning normally on medium/high settings. Perfomance varies somewhat based on maps, but not drastically, and there is certainly no spectacular drop off at any point. The performance hit is omnipresent.

What's confusing me is that you're conflating the texture quality and graphics quality settings in every post. Texture quality is largely dependent on VRAM size, while graphics quality is dependent on GPU speed. You should be testing the effects of these two settings separately.

Melancholia
Profile Joined March 2010
United States717 Posts
August 14 2010 23:19 GMT
#24
Ah, I did not realize that. I'll test that now.
Melancholia
Profile Joined March 2010
United States717 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-15 00:02:42
August 15 2010 00:00 GMT
#25
I ran some FPS tests on the very beginning of the first level, camera centered where it starts and after all the triggers have played out.

Texture/Graphics: FPS
Low/Ultra: 14
Ultra/Low: 57
Ultra/Medium: 27
High/Medium: 30
High/High: 19

I also ran some tests earlier, though it's all with uniform graphics/texture settings. These were run on the final mission with a maxed out enemy army fighting my god mode SCVs.

Camera centered on action/Camera centered on fog of war
Low: 6/8
Medium: 5/8
High: 6/8
Ultra: 4/7
Melancholia
Profile Joined March 2010
United States717 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-15 07:30:39
August 15 2010 07:30 GMT
#26
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EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
ESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IDIDITIDIDITIDIDITIDIDIT I MOTHERFUCKING DID IT!
Intel Speedstep was, for reasons unknown to me, dropping my CPU performance when I needed it most. I disabled it and now I can run at HIGH on the last mission at a playable level! The framerate still drops to 8 FPS in the largest battles, but it's not debilitating like it once was. On Medium I don't notice much lag at all! The last freaking cutscene was running at 117 FPS!

FUCK. YES.
R04R
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1631 Posts
August 15 2010 08:07 GMT
#27
Lawl, good job. Good to keep that in mind when troubleshooting other people's difficulties.
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Raveler
Profile Joined June 2010
Belgium27 Posts
August 16 2010 10:03 GMT
#28
Well imagine this, I also tried disabling intel speedstep, and this actually works! The game runs fine now, and overall I got a heavy FPS boost as well. I actually get the performance now that my system should be getting.

Melancholia, you're the man. Spread the word!
grobo
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Japan6199 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-16 10:44:46
August 16 2010 10:30 GMT
#29
edit: nvm, found it.
We make signature, then defense it.
mav451
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1596 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-16 13:38:07
August 16 2010 13:37 GMT
#30
Hah you guys should add this to the one of the main tech support threads. I had no idea that Intel's power saving measures were this naughty...
With no power comes no responsibility?
Twitches
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada365 Posts
August 16 2010 13:48 GMT
#31
... Does every intel PC have speedstep already installed? I have never heard of this program and have the same problem.. Where can I locate this?
Gravity is just a feeble plot.
Raveler
Profile Joined June 2010
Belgium27 Posts
August 16 2010 17:59 GMT
#32
It's an option in the BIOS. Hit 'del' when booting up. You can find it somewhere under CPU configuration, I believe.
vek
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia936 Posts
August 16 2010 20:23 GMT
#33
You can also take a look at the "Power Plan" advanced settings and make sure they are set to use 100% all the time. Remember, the environment comes second when it comes to computer performance.

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Also speed step and any kind of CPU throttling feature is the devil
Melancholia
Profile Joined March 2010
United States717 Posts
August 16 2010 23:42 GMT
#34
On August 17 2010 05:23 vek wrote:
You can also take a look at the "Power Plan" advanced settings and make sure they are set to use 100% all the time. Remember, the environment comes second when it comes to computer performance.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Also speed step and any kind of CPU throttling feature is the devil

Even set to 100% there SpeedStep will still throttle the CPU, apparently changing what counts as 100% for those settings. It's possible, perhaps probable, that the minimum processor state is what's defaulted to when SpeedStep is disabled, but without disabling there will be an issue no matter what those settings are.
vek
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia936 Posts
August 17 2010 00:07 GMT
#35
On August 17 2010 08:42 Melancholia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2010 05:23 vek wrote:
You can also take a look at the "Power Plan" advanced settings and make sure they are set to use 100% all the time. Remember, the environment comes second when it comes to computer performance.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Also speed step and any kind of CPU throttling feature is the devil

Even set to 100% there SpeedStep will still throttle the CPU, apparently changing what counts as 100% for those settings. It's possible, perhaps probable, that the minimum processor state is what's defaulted to when SpeedStep is disabled, but without disabling there will be an issue no matter what those settings are.


Yeah I know, it's just another thing to remember for people still having issues
Melancholia
Profile Joined March 2010
United States717 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-18 06:18:24
August 18 2010 05:59 GMT
#36
To anyone who disabled Speedstep and has an Extreme X9000, it looks like it will lock your CPUs at a 6 times multiplier, much lower than the x14 that is the default, but above the x4.5 that I was for some reason getting. However, by keeping it enabled and using the program Throttlestop I've been able to manually set a x14 multiplier to reach the default speed. I can't figure out how to get a x15 multiplier to reach the overclock speed.

Edit: You can get above the default maximum by right clicking on the Performance box and unlocking FID/VID.

My guess, and this is very much an uneducated one, is that for some reason SC2 is loading the CPU in some strange way so that SpeedStep would underclock the CPU, and that disabling it would set it to a minimum value that is higher than what it could be underclocked to, but is still significantly lower than you should be getting.
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