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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
October 16 2010 01:41 GMT
#1821
On October 16 2010 09:40 FragKrag wrote:
Is there anything in particular somebody wants in an update of this thread?


you can possibly add in the following for Canadian websites:

http://www.canadacomputers.com/
http://www.memoryexpress.com/

and maybe ncix's sister websites?

http://www.directcanada.com
http://www.bestdirect.ca
superlyduper
Profile Joined August 2004
United States37 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-16 03:32:43
October 16 2010 03:26 GMT
#1822
I just built a computer with the following

C2Q Q9450@3.6ghz (450x8)
EVGA 750i SLI FTW
Galaxy GTS 250 512mb
3gb DDR2@800 (single channel, 2gb + 2x1gb)
80gb wd800jb HD (lol)
Vista Ultimate 32bit

Playing 1366x768. I get around 45fps in Ultra at the beginning of the game. Is that a bit low or normal? I vaguely remember getting more FPS before I started getting computer problems.

Also, lately my comp has been spontaneously shutting off, sometimes in game, sometimes when SC2 is loading. I can play other games just fine (although they may not be as demanding as sc2). This seemed to have happened after I overclocked alittle too aggressively. But now that I've backed down my overclock this spontaneous shutdown still occurs. Even when I clear CMOS and run stock settings (2.66ghz) it still crashes. What could be the problem? My temperatures according to everest are pretty normal, 44-46 idle for CPU, GPU, and SPP, and about 65 load for all.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
October 16 2010 06:24 GMT
#1823
@superlyduper

45 fps seems a little low for the start of the game.

Go into your event viewer and look at the events that occur during your random shutdowns.

It might possibly be that your PSU failing / overheating.
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
October 16 2010 06:41 GMT
#1824
How can you tell how many FPS you're getting?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
October 16 2010 06:45 GMT
#1825
On October 16 2010 15:41 FabledIntegral wrote:
How can you tell how many FPS you're getting?


ctrl alt f
zingmars
Profile Joined April 2010
Latvia189 Posts
October 16 2010 18:05 GMT
#1826
I'm kind of thinking of building a new PC, however since I've never done this before I decided to ask here before I attempt to do so.
What I need is a computer that is capable of running games nicely, and will be used for standard home use - Youtube, Teamliquid etc, and some gaming (SC; Civ IV; and propably stuff like that.)
My budget is around 500-600$. (not a hard cap really, but I would like to keep inside that budget.)
I can use the DVD reader, monitor, mouse & keyboard and perhaps even a case from my old setup, so all I really need are those parts that run things™ (CPU, mobo etc.). My current monitor resolution is 1280x1024, but I might upgrade it later, so getting an 'overkill' GPU is not a problem. Also a CPU with 4 cores would be nice (not necessary but it would be nice.)

TL;DR - please get me a 500-600$ setup. Preferably with quad core. No need for case, monitor etc stuff. only the components are necessary.
"I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." -- Thomas Watson
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
October 16 2010 18:26 GMT
#1827
As a general idea, this should be under $600 without an OS, case, or optical drive. GTX 460 768MB version is plenty for that resolution and is fine for 1920x1080 even if you don't care about antialiasing.

Phenom II X4 955 + Asus 870 AM3 mobo with USB3/SATA6
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.537750

EVGA GTX 460 768MB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130562

G.Skill 2x2GB 1333 DDR3 RAM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231180

Seagate 500GB + OCZ ModXStream 500W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.514455
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
October 16 2010 18:38 GMT
#1828
On October 17 2010 03:26 Myrmidon wrote:
As a general idea, this should be under $600 without an OS, case, or optical drive. GTX 460 768MB version is plenty for that resolution and is fine for 1920x1080 even if you don't care about antialiasing.

Phenom II X4 955 + Asus 870 AM3 mobo with USB3/SATA6
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.537750

EVGA GTX 460 768MB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130562

G.Skill 2x2GB 1333 DDR3 RAM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231180

Seagate 500GB + OCZ ModXStream 500W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.514455


Very solid, +1.
superlyduper
Profile Joined August 2004
United States37 Posts
October 16 2010 19:33 GMT
#1829
@skyR

I looked into the event viewer, but I am not sure how to read things. Is event viewer relevant? because the computer spontaneously powers down (there is no shutdown sequence, it just immediately shuts down as if it had lost power).
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-16 23:24:13
October 16 2010 23:20 GMT
#1830
For 600 you could always try to be cute and get a i3-540 oc it to 4.6Ghz :D if lucky probably gonna be using cheap parts so more like 4.3Ghz
city42
Profile Joined October 2007
1656 Posts
October 17 2010 04:32 GMT
#1831
Hey guys, I'm in a really crappy situation here. My laptop's video card finally died, rendering the whole computer worthless. I don't need the mobility anymore so I'm going to build a desktop, but I'm on a budget (~$500 excluding the OS would be about it). The physical building of a computer seems trivial but I'm pretty clueless when it comes to choosing parts. I need to get all these things:

-Case
-Motherboard
-CPU
-Video Card
-RAM
-PSU
-HDD
-OS

I already have a monitor and optical drive so those are taken care of. The plan is to run windows at 1400x900 and play games at either that resolution or 1280x800, depending on what kind of hardware I can afford. HDD space isn't an issue, so any generic $50 500gb internal will do, as long as it's 7200 rpm. I don't care at all about the aesthetics of a case, I just want something cheap that allows the stuff to breathe. I think 4gb of ram is fine for now even with a 64 bit OS, as long as there's room to put in an extra 2 gb later. Aside from web browsing, it will be used for SC2 and some light video processing. I've heard that SC2 performance is more based on the CPU than the GPU, so maybe some emphasis on a decent CPU would be good (that Phenom II X4 955 linked above looks pretty nice, but maybe it's overkill).

If someone can help me out with some budget hardware choices, I would really appreciate it.

p.s. I see a cheaper version of windows 7 on newegg called the "system builder." Is there any reason not to save some money and buy this one over the regular edition?
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-17 05:07:20
October 17 2010 05:06 GMT
#1832
The OEM Windows for system builders doesn't come with the same packaging and has slightly different licensing terms I think. Unlike the normal retail version, the OEM version is tied to the motherboard on which it is installed on. Aside from that it's the same. So for most people building their own computers, the OEM version is fine since it's much cheaper.

So what do you intend to use the computer for? What applications? Also, do you plan on any upgrades in the future?
city42
Profile Joined October 2007
1656 Posts
October 17 2010 05:21 GMT
#1833
I wrote what I intend to use the new PC for, but it was crammed in the middle of the big paragraph, sorry about that. I want to play SC2 comfortably (even if the settings need to be turned down a bit) and do some video processing. The video work isn't substantial, just some MPEG-2 encoding using avidemux. Aside from those two things, my main computer activity is burning DVD discs, which isn't really dependent on the hardware. The only upgrades I would consider in the near future would be more RAM and a solid state drive to stick the OS on, but I can't afford those for the time being.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
October 17 2010 05:54 GMT
#1834
Whoops I'm blind sorry lol. This should be a bit under $600 including OS, not including $45 of assorted MIR.

Athlon II X3 445 and Sapphire HD 5750 ($175 together now--looks like the price may change?)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.500361

Gigabyte 770 AM3 ATX mobo + Windows 7 64-bit Home Premium OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.533516

Mushkin 2x2 GB 1333 DDR3 RAM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820146748

Samsung Spinpoint F3 500GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152181

Antec 300 + Antec Earthwatts 380D
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.514532
R04R
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1631 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-17 09:13:41
October 17 2010 08:55 GMT
#1835
What's a good $200-300 monitor? I'm guessing it's probably 23.6" but I don't know which to pick as they're all fairly well-rated on Newegg.

And some AwESOmE BLUE LED CASE FANS? My friend wants 'em. I prefer them to probably have good cfm/dba ratio.
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zingmars
Profile Joined April 2010
Latvia189 Posts
October 17 2010 09:14 GMT
#1836
Nah Myrmidon - I happen to already own a licensed Windows CD, so it's not that big of a problem. I'll use your first build then.

Sadly however where I live we don't have newegg and the prices are bit up. I can deal with that, but when trying to find the parts in local internet shops I found something -
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341022&Tpk=OCZ 550W
the difference between this one and the one you suggested -
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341016
was no more than 1$. Is it worth picking the 550W one or should i for some random reason go for the 500W one?
"I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." -- Thomas Watson
R04R
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1631 Posts
October 17 2010 09:21 GMT
#1837
Go for the fatality if possible. More wattage is never a bad idea when considering equivalent quality. It also has 1 extra modular cable, although I'm not sure which one it is, but it can't possibly be bad.
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city42
Profile Joined October 2007
1656 Posts
October 17 2010 17:57 GMT
#1838
On October 17 2010 14:54 Myrmidon wrote:
Whoops I'm blind sorry lol. This should be a bit under $600 including OS, not including $45 of assorted MIR.

Athlon II X3 445 and Sapphire HD 5750 ($175 together now--looks like the price may change?)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.500361

Gigabyte 770 AM3 ATX mobo + Windows 7 64-bit Home Premium OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.533516

Mushkin 2x2 GB 1333 DDR3 RAM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820146748

Samsung Spinpoint F3 500GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152181

Antec 300 + Antec Earthwatts 380D
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.514532

Thanks a lot! Are you sure a 380 watt power supply is enough?
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
October 17 2010 18:38 GMT
#1839
On October 18 2010 02:57 city42 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2010 14:54 Myrmidon wrote:
Whoops I'm blind sorry lol. This should be a bit under $600 including OS, not including $45 of assorted MIR.

Athlon II X3 445 and Sapphire HD 5750 ($175 together now--looks like the price may change?)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.500361

Gigabyte 770 AM3 ATX mobo + Windows 7 64-bit Home Premium OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.533516

Mushkin 2x2 GB 1333 DDR3 RAM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820146748

Samsung Spinpoint F3 500GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152181

Antec 300 + Antec Earthwatts 380D
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.514532

Thanks a lot! Are you sure a 380 watt power supply is enough?


380 is enough, but I much prefer leaving room to upgrade later on.

I'd get the OCZ ModxStream Pro 600W PSU combo instead:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.523605

And the HD 5770 Graphics card combo:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.500402

If you stick with the other parts recommended you are still under budget at $575 after $55 in MIR. You could add a Hyper 212+ and do some overclocking as well.
lethal111
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada460 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-18 00:27:46
October 18 2010 00:27 GMT
#1840
Would it be better/cheaper to get a i5 750 or a AMD Phenom II X6
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