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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
shtdisturbance
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada613 Posts
October 08 2011 03:05 GMT
#12661
On October 08 2011 11:31 skyR wrote:
It's probably display driver failed and has recovered. You can try downclocking the card and see if it still occurs.


This is what it says, how do i downclock the card? Is it easy?

I am about to check to make sure its connected right but im pretty sure it is.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
October 08 2011 03:07 GMT
#12662
You downclock it with MSI Afterburner, EVGA Precision, or any other GPU OC software. It should also let you lower the clock a tad. Try just a bit at a time.
shtdisturbance
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada613 Posts
October 08 2011 03:12 GMT
#12663
Ok thanks a lot, first I am going to try updating drivers and stuff then i will try one of those. Im sure one of the two will work =)
thanks again.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
October 08 2011 04:26 GMT
#12664
On October 08 2011 11:30 shtdisturbance wrote:
Hey I build my computer a while ago and it has been running fine. I have a gtx 560 and every like 10 min my screen goes black for like 3 seconds then it comes back on and a little message appears in the bottom right saying something like nividia restored or something similar. I can edit exactly what it says next time it happens but it goes away real fast. Any ideas or what i should do?

That's happened to me in 2 different circumstances: Unstable overclock, not enough power

You also might be running outdated drivers.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
89vision
Profile Joined September 2010
United States70 Posts
October 08 2011 05:37 GMT
#12665
I am pretty sure this is worth it, as I think I've seen these go for higher.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371044&nm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL100711&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL100711-_-EMC-100711-Index-_-PowerSupplies-_-17371044-L0D

Will probably get this tonight but some feedback would be reassuring.

Anyone have any comments on Westinghouse brand monitors?
An itch only a deadlift can scratch
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
October 08 2011 05:49 GMT
#12666
Earthwatts Green 650W is an overall good unit with no concerning issues except that it doesn't come with a power cord (but most people have plenty of spares). It's way more power than most people need, but even if that's the situation, if you don't care much about idle load efficiency there's nothing much wrong with that at that price.

I don't know about Westinghouse in particular, but it's not like they're an LCD panel manufacturer. They're just getting the same stuff everybody else does and doing the same processing. If it's got the input connections, resolution, size, and stand adjustments you need, at a good price, then sure.
Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
October 08 2011 15:27 GMT
#12667
On October 08 2011 03:30 JingleHell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2011 02:40 Myrmidon wrote:
This is a couple days old, but apparently there's a new/continued thermal paste roundup at hardwaresecrets. The new challenger: mayonnaise! How's it do against lipstick, chocolate, toothpaste, no paste, and "real" thermal compounds?
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Thermal-Compound-Roundup-October-2011/1396/1


Outstanding. Once and for all, proof that people don't need to spend more on the stuff...


Good to know, I have been using chocolate gotta switch to mayo i guess.
"Can't wait till Monday" Cixah+Waveofshadow. "Needs to be monday. Weekend please go by quickly." Gahlo
-YoricK-
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States476 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-08 18:08:26
October 08 2011 18:06 GMT
#12668
So I built myself a computer a couple years ago for the first time and it was working perfectly up until a few months ago. Since then I have had constant computer crashes, blue screens, random crashes involving artifacts on the screen and the like. At first I thought it was my graphics card since that has had many issues but after using my onboard video I have the same issues.

I tested my RAM with memtest and got no errors, cleaned out the inside of my case multiple times, updated drivers and got rid of old and unnecessary drivers, and reformatted but the problems still occur. Sometimes my computer will be fine for a week or so and I think I fixed my computer but the crashes always return. I think my mobo and/or CPU could be the problem and I kind of want to upgrade there anyway so I figured I'd at least get a new mobo and CPU. Although my PSU could also be defective but I doubt it.

Here are my specs:

XFX Radeon HD 4870 GPU
ASUS M4A785TD-V EVO AM3 AMD 785G HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard (was only $100 when I bought it, I feel like I really skimped here)
Crucial Ballistix 4GB DDR3 RAM
AMD Phenom II X3 720 2.8GHz Socket AM3 95W Triple-Core Black Processor HDZ720WFGIBOX
Corsair 750W PSU

Now obviously, all of my stuff is pretty old but I cannot afford to get a whole new computer at this time. What would be a good motherboard and CPU to get that would work with my system?

Also, although this graphics card is fine for all the games I play (nothing too intense, I guess if I ever played BF3 that would be the biggest game I'd want to run) I have had so many issues with this particular model and company. I've had to RMA the card like 5 times in the past 2 years and just now I sent it in because the card basically died. XFX said it had a really messed up fan but that they fixed it. I get it back and the fan is in awful shape and basically the card overheats like crazy and isn't usable. Seems like it might be worth it to get a new graphics card as well.

I'd say the most I want to spend is $500, while I could go over that it would be pretty foolish at this time. I mostly use it for gaming, and honestly at this point I mainly play SC2, but in the future I'd like to play Mass Effect 3 and Skyrim probably. But right now its hard to play SC2 even since I crash so much (played 5 games yesterday, computer crashed in FOUR of the games, incredibly frustrating) so I know I need to do something. I play at 1920x1080 resolution as well. I'd like to not have to upgrade again for a while and plan on buying from newegg.

Anyway any help is really appreciated I'm still a massive noob with computers thanks!
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
October 08 2011 18:09 GMT
#12669
Core i5 2400 (quad, about ~$185) or a Pentium G840 (dual, about ~$85) along with a H61 or H67 motherboard (~$50 - $80).
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
October 08 2011 18:20 GMT
#12670
Yeah Pentium G840 should give the best value for gaming as it's still very fast and won't have the additional cores that most games don't even use. You could probably also get away with something like the ~57$ Celeron G530 as games really tend to not be that CPU-limited, especially as with your GPU you can't even be using too high graphics settings.

This all depends on how soon you're planning on upgrading the GPU though, but if you're going to keep using that graphics card for a relatively long time, I doubt a G530 would bottleneck you as in essence it's the same thing as the pentium but 0.4ghz slower. Of course you'd need to turn down most SC2 CPU settings. i5 2400 is better for the future and the Turbo Boost is going to help alot.

For 500$ you could get much more though, we could get you a nice upgrade on the graphics card as well to get you a setup that can play SC2 on ultra in 1080p effortlessly.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
pog0
Profile Joined June 2010
United States30 Posts
October 08 2011 18:24 GMT
#12671
Any ideas of a good single slot video card? Tryin to get the misses to play SC2 but the MacBook Pro running boot camp isn't the best solution because of heat. Down side is that the computer I have is a Dell Optiplex and I can only run a single slot video card. I don't want to invest that much money if she doesn't show interest.
-YoricK-
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States476 Posts
October 08 2011 18:26 GMT
#12672
Hmm well I expected an upgrade for the mobo and the CPU to be a lot more. I would like to upgrade my GPU because I've had so many issues with this model and at this point I would like to get a GPU for the future. When I was building my computer a couple years ago everyone was telling me to go with either an AMD mobo/ATI GPU or an intel mobo/NVIDIA GPU. Does the same rule still apply nowadays?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-08 18:28:36
October 08 2011 18:28 GMT
#12673
On October 09 2011 03:24 pog0 wrote:
Any ideas of a good single slot video card? Tryin to get the misses to play SC2 but the MacBook Pro running boot camp isn't the best solution because of heat. Down side is that the computer I have is a Dell Optiplex and I can only run a single slot video card. I don't want to invest that much money if she doesn't show interest.


XFX Radeon HD6770
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150574

Radeon HD5670
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127600

On October 09 2011 03:26 flipstorm wrote:
Hmm well I expected an upgrade for the mobo and the CPU to be a lot more. I would like to upgrade my GPU because I've had so many issues with this model and at this point I would like to get a GPU for the future. When I was building my computer a couple years ago everyone was telling me to go with either an AMD mobo/ATI GPU or an intel mobo/NVIDIA GPU. Does the same rule still apply nowadays?


No, this has never applied. Whoever told you this is an idiot. Radeon HD6870 is a good choice, GTX 560 would be the Nvidia equivalent but is more expensive.
-YoricK-
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States476 Posts
October 08 2011 18:34 GMT
#12674
Ah ok thanks for the advice. I'm gonna take a look at the mobos/PSU/GPUs suggested and see what would fit best for my budget.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
October 08 2011 18:34 GMT
#12675
The current hardware, were it working, is actually not that bad at all. Have you run a scan on the hard drive (check the manufacturer's website for any utilities)?

How did the graphics cards develop problems? Was it overheating when failing or not? Even if you never cleaned it at all, unless you've got a windtunnel case with no air filters, I wouldn't expect that number of failures in two years, just from heat.

Some kind of Asus ___ Evo motherboard definitely doesn't count as skimping there.

Maybe it's just the power supply that's bad. Every brand and manufacturer puts out some bad units. That could explain system instability and lots of dying video cards pretty easily.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
October 08 2011 18:42 GMT
#12676
You don't need to purchase a new power supply fyi. Whether it be a TX750 or HX750, it is extreme overkill for whatever you plan on doing and both are good units.

Evo is a premium line from ASUS fyi, just like Pro and Deluxe. This is not skimping as mentioned already. Even purchasing it at $100, you probably wasted money.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
October 08 2011 18:47 GMT
#12677
On October 09 2011 03:42 skyR wrote:
You don't need to purchase a new power supply fyi. Whether it be a TX750 or HX750, it is extreme overkill for whatever you plan on doing and both are good units.


If it's working, then it's extreme overkill, but if it's defective, then it's still bad no matter what the design is. At that kind of budget, if you're going to be overhauling everything anyway and throwing money at the problem to find a solution, I think like $60 for a new power supply is potentially worth a shot.

That depends on why the graphics cards needed to be RMA'd 5 times in 2 years though (if they died in ways that make it seem like the power supply). Also if the memory, hard drive, and everything else seem to come up as clean.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
October 08 2011 18:52 GMT
#12678
His power supply is still well within warranty so there is no need to waste money on a new one when it can just be RMA'ed.
-YoricK-
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States476 Posts
October 08 2011 18:54 GMT
#12679
On October 09 2011 03:34 Myrmidon wrote:
The current hardware, were it working, is actually not that bad at all. Have you run a scan on the hard drive (check the manufacturer's website for any utilities)?

How did the graphics cards develop problems? Was it overheating when failing or not? Even if you never cleaned it at all, unless you've got a windtunnel case with no air filters, I wouldn't expect that number of failures in two years, just from heat.

Some kind of Asus ___ Evo motherboard definitely doesn't count as skimping there.

Maybe it's just the power supply that's bad. Every brand and manufacturer puts out some bad units. That could explain system instability and lots of dying video cards pretty easily.


The graphics card problems have been going on for longer than the whole computer issues I have been having the last 3 months. I had to send the card in a couple times last year since it would not stop overheating and causing my computer to shut down. These last 3 months I have been getting all sorts of different BSODs that have continued after reformatting and getting all the correct drivers and it has been going on so long that I think it has to be a hardware error. I also get crashes often where a bunch of artifacts just appear on my screen and I have to restart the computer.

Most recently, I sent my card in because I could not get an image to appear on my screen whenever I turned my computer on. I tried multiple times but when I turned my computer on nothing would appear on the monitor. This was about two weeks ago. Since then I have been using my onboard video without any problems. I got the card back, and XFX said they fixed it but as soon as I installed it and turned my computer on I could hear the fan stuttering like crazy (which is odd because they said the fan was in terrible shape, but that they had replaced it and the card was working fine...). It worked for a day or so but basically the card overheated and my computer would shut down (I was getting like 99 C temps on the card lol) so I took it out and used my onboard video again.

Since doing that I am once again getting BSOD and more artifact crashes. I have no idea whats going on and its been happening for so long that I am so tired of trying to fix my computer and that's basically why I want to upgrade my parts. If it is a failing PSU, I have no idea how to test it other than buying a new PSU and seeing if the problems continue. But like I said I didn't have any crashing problems before July and my PSU seems pretty solid (all the reviews were good when I bought it) so I guess I've never really thought of that as the problem.

I haven't run any scans on my hard drive, but a couple times after my computer kept crashing Windows would do a scan upon startup because it failed to start and it could not fix the problem or identify anything.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
October 08 2011 19:01 GMT
#12680
On October 09 2011 03:28 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2011 03:24 pog0 wrote:
Any ideas of a good single slot video card? Tryin to get the misses to play SC2 but the MacBook Pro running boot camp isn't the best solution because of heat. Down side is that the computer I have is a Dell Optiplex and I can only run a single slot video card. I don't want to invest that much money if she doesn't show interest.


XFX Radeon HD6770
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150574

Radeon HD5670
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127600

Show nested quote +
On October 09 2011 03:26 flipstorm wrote:
Hmm well I expected an upgrade for the mobo and the CPU to be a lot more. I would like to upgrade my GPU because I've had so many issues with this model and at this point I would like to get a GPU for the future. When I was building my computer a couple years ago everyone was telling me to go with either an AMD mobo/ATI GPU or an intel mobo/NVIDIA GPU. Does the same rule still apply nowadays?


No, this has never applied. Whoever told you this is an idiot. Radeon HD6870 is a good choice, GTX 560 would be the Nvidia equivalent but is more expensive.


Well, technically, until very recently, it applied if you wanted SLI.

Unless there's a specific game that just straight up does better with one or the other (Wait at least 2 months after release, though, drivers can take some time), and that's a concern, the main thing that matters is price/performance, unless you're looking for specific things.
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