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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Blisse
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada3710 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-01 05:59:00
September 01 2011 05:58 GMT
#10501
So when's Black Friday? I'll start planning.
There is no one like you in the universe.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-01 06:06:41
September 01 2011 06:05 GMT
#10502
On September 01 2011 14:58 Blisse wrote:
So when's Black Friday? I'll start planning.


It's the day after Thanksgiving, so 25 November 2011. There's usually good stuff that week and the week after, including or especially the Monday after (28 Nov.) aka Cyber Monday.

edit: though in Canada I think Boxing Day gets good deals as well. I forget. Or maybe I'm thinking of something else.
ensign_lee
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1178 Posts
September 01 2011 14:24 GMT
#10503
On September 01 2011 12:34 Myrmidon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2011 08:26 ensign_lee wrote:
On September 01 2011 04:28 JingleHell wrote:
On September 01 2011 04:11 ensign_lee wrote:
Hey power supply gurus. Is there a way to check your +12V voltages over time?

I just downloaded HWMonitor, and it provides me with min and max numbers. i've noticed my +12V rail has a min of 5. O.o

But I want to see if these are very temporary little spikes or if this is happening on a regular basis (I assume on a regular basis is uber bad). Is there a way to do this?


Given the 12v rail powers your CPU and your GPU, I'd rather assume if it was dropping to 5v, you'd be experiencing random shutdowns, lockups, or freezes of some variety. Like, the extremely annoying variety.

The +5v rail is directly above it, I assume you're not accidentally looking at readings for it?

Anyway, I don't think you can without expensive equipment, but it's almost certainly got to be a software problem.

Mind you, I'm no guru, but that one seems pretty obvious. Anyway, if the software is catching it, it should be a longer term thing. Quick google search seems to concur.


Yeah, that's pretty much what I thought I would be experiencing, but...I'm not. So...guess I'll just chalk this one up to a software problem?

I guess I was just trying to convince myself to replace my (already working) Rosewill 1000W PSU with one of the Seasonic X ones, and that seemed interesting to me.

Perhaps I should go with the "If it isn't broke, don't touch it" approach? :D What do you think.


I missed this earlier, but you should never believe what the software tells you about your voltages. The only way to really be sure is to grab some equipment worth a few hundred dollars at least (a reasonable oscilloscope of sufficient bandwidth). A $5 multimeter is good enough to tell you the average voltage with some ballpark estimate though. As alluded to earlier, if your +12V rail was actually going to +5V, the system would shut off. This kind of unexplained dip in the software is very common.

I'm guessing your Rosewill is the Bronze Series (RBR1000-M) and not the Lightning? Lightning is very good btw. I think the Bronze Series is the same platform as this Hiper M1000 so it should be similar:

http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story&reid=132

i.e. not worth replacing, unless maybe it bothers you that you have a 1000W unit to power like 50-350W draw or whatever your system actually uses, and thus your idle power draw is significantly higher than it could be.


Myrmidon, you rock!

Yes, that's a good guess. That's exactly what i have. Allright, if it has the Myrmidon seal of approval, it will stay in. :D

Sometimes this itch to have "the best" is not a good itch lol.
Automata
Profile Joined March 2011
393 Posts
September 01 2011 14:39 GMT
#10504
Hey guys, I'm looking to get a new case right now to replace my old Antec Sonata II. I need something with good airflow to cool down my video card (idles at 60c, underload at 99c). I won't be modding it and I'm looking to spend around 50-80$ CAD on it. My mobo is a Asus P7H55-M LX and my GPU is a zotac gtx460. Let me know what you guys suggest.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-01 14:55:30
September 01 2011 14:50 GMT
#10505
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148441&nm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL090111&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL090111-_-EMC-090111-Index-_-SSD-_-20148441-L0A

64GB Crucial M4 SSD for $90. Absolute steal.

@Automata: Do your ambient temps just suck? A 460 clocked below ~850Mhz should be golden on air with decent ambients, if you keep the heatsink clean in any case.

I'd suggest cleaning it and re-thermal pasting it over a case replacement.

Well, I guess a Sonata is kind of mediocre, but still, a 460 is fairly easy to keep reasonable, my SLI 460s don't crack 80C under any kind of load I actually subject them to, and that's in central Texas. This week is the first week with highs below 105F in about a month. I can't get my AC to cool the house below ~78F in the hottest part of the afternoon.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-01 15:00:29
September 01 2011 14:59 GMT
#10506
On September 01 2011 23:24 ensign_lee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2011 12:34 Myrmidon wrote:
On September 01 2011 08:26 ensign_lee wrote:
On September 01 2011 04:28 JingleHell wrote:
On September 01 2011 04:11 ensign_lee wrote:
Hey power supply gurus. Is there a way to check your +12V voltages over time?

I just downloaded HWMonitor, and it provides me with min and max numbers. i've noticed my +12V rail has a min of 5. O.o

But I want to see if these are very temporary little spikes or if this is happening on a regular basis (I assume on a regular basis is uber bad). Is there a way to do this?


Given the 12v rail powers your CPU and your GPU, I'd rather assume if it was dropping to 5v, you'd be experiencing random shutdowns, lockups, or freezes of some variety. Like, the extremely annoying variety.

The +5v rail is directly above it, I assume you're not accidentally looking at readings for it?

Anyway, I don't think you can without expensive equipment, but it's almost certainly got to be a software problem.

Mind you, I'm no guru, but that one seems pretty obvious. Anyway, if the software is catching it, it should be a longer term thing. Quick google search seems to concur.


Yeah, that's pretty much what I thought I would be experiencing, but...I'm not. So...guess I'll just chalk this one up to a software problem?

I guess I was just trying to convince myself to replace my (already working) Rosewill 1000W PSU with one of the Seasonic X ones, and that seemed interesting to me.

Perhaps I should go with the "If it isn't broke, don't touch it" approach? :D What do you think.


I missed this earlier, but you should never believe what the software tells you about your voltages. The only way to really be sure is to grab some equipment worth a few hundred dollars at least (a reasonable oscilloscope of sufficient bandwidth). A $5 multimeter is good enough to tell you the average voltage with some ballpark estimate though. As alluded to earlier, if your +12V rail was actually going to +5V, the system would shut off. This kind of unexplained dip in the software is very common.

I'm guessing your Rosewill is the Bronze Series (RBR1000-M) and not the Lightning? Lightning is very good btw. I think the Bronze Series is the same platform as this Hiper M1000 so it should be similar:

http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story&reid=132

i.e. not worth replacing, unless maybe it bothers you that you have a 1000W unit to power like 50-350W draw or whatever your system actually uses, and thus your idle power draw is significantly higher than it could be.


Myrmidon, you rock!

Yes, that's a good guess. That's exactly what i have. Allright, if it has the Myrmidon seal of approval, it will stay in. :D

Sometimes this itch to have "the best" is not a good itch lol.


I wouldn't really say "seal of approval" lol. Perfectly fine (well, at wattages most people run) and mediocre is not worth replacing, but it's probably not worth getting in the first place either.


On September 01 2011 23:39 Automata wrote:
Hey guys, I'm looking to get a new case right now to replace my old Antec Sonata II. I need something with good airflow to cool down my video card (idles at 60c, underload at 99c). I won't be modding it and I'm looking to spend around 50-80$ CAD on it. My mobo is a Asus P7H55-M LX and my GPU is a zotac gtx460. Let me know what you guys suggest.


Have you cleaned out your GPU lately? If you're just looking for lower GPU temperatures, it's probably not a case upgrade you should be investigating first.

Anyway, if you're getting a new case, I'm guessing that out of a Sonata II you might prefer something that doesn't sound like a hurricane or have ostentatious styling, so for airflow in that price range, maybe the Fractal Design Core 3000 ($70)? You could move one of the fans to the side intake. Granted, cable management isn't as great as many modern cases, but at least there's some semblance of cutouts. Also, positioning the fan controller can be awkward for some builds, but since you have mATX there should be no issue fitting it in the bottom expansion slot.

http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=58342

HAF 912 can be had around $50 though and may be a better choice because of the price.
ensign_lee
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1178 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-01 15:41:02
September 01 2011 15:01 GMT
#10507
@ Myrmidon. To erase any doubt, this is what I have: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182188

And it's currently running ~650W load 25/7. Still have a myrmidon "seal of grudging acceptance"? (Is that a better term? lol)
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
September 01 2011 15:02 GMT
#10508
I think it's more the "Myrmidon seal of not swearing vehemently and grabbing power tools".

Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-01 15:05:49
September 01 2011 15:05 GMT
#10509
On September 02 2011 00:01 ensign_lee wrote:
@ lol. To erase any doubt, this is what I have: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182188

And it's currently running ~650W load 25/7. Still have a myrmidon "seal of grudging acceptance"? (Is that a better term? lol)


Not so sure. That's a pretty hardcore load to run 25 hours a day.

But seriously, is it running at 650W all the time? Have you measured this? You have like Folding@Home or are otherwise maxing out your CPU + GPUs all the time?
XenOmega
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2822 Posts
September 01 2011 15:09 GMT
#10510
On September 01 2011 03:30 XenOmega wrote:
Do you think NCIX will pricematch ASUS ML239H 23IN ips LED LCD 1080P 50000000:

with

http://www.newware.com/product_info.php?products_id=37729 at 178$

Assuming they, is this a good IPS purchase?

Looking for a monitor for : Homework, Indesign, Gaming (mainly RTS, RPG and shooter)



Just to let you know, NCIX accepted the pricematch Shipping was also cheaper than Newware!

Robert
ensign_lee
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1178 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-01 15:41:22
September 01 2011 15:40 GMT
#10511
On September 02 2011 00:05 Myrmidon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2011 00:01 ensign_lee wrote:
@ lol. To erase any doubt, this is what I have: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182188

And it's currently running ~650W load 25/7. Still have a myrmidon "seal of grudging acceptance"? (Is that a better term? lol)


Not so sure. That's a pretty hardcore load to run 25 hours a day.

But seriously, is it running at 650W all the time? Have you measured this? You have like Folding@Home or are otherwise maxing out your CPU + GPUs all the time?


Yeah, maxing out doing distributed computing with dual ATI 6970s (just swapped in from 5870s, not sure if that was the best upgrade, but they were $220, meh). My UPS is saying it's drawing that much anyhow.

and lol at 25/7...whoops.... :D
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
September 01 2011 16:13 GMT
#10512
NCIX builds?


Intel Core i5 2500K Quad Core Unlocked Processor LGA1155 3.3GHZ Sandy Bridge 6MB 

ASUS Maximus IV GENE-Z Z68 LGA1155 mATX 2PCI-E16 1PCI-E4 SLI CrossFire HDMI USB3.0 SATA3 Motherboard 

G.SKILL Ripjaws X F3-10666CL9D-8GBXL 8GB 2X4GB DDR3-1333 CL9-9-9-24 Memory 

Coolermaster Hyper 212 Plus Direct Touch 4 Heatpipe Heatsink AM2 AM3 LGA1366 LGA1155 LGA1156 120MM 

LG GH24NS70 24X SATA Internal DVD Writer Burner DVDRW Optical Drive Black OEM 

EVGA GeForce GTX 560 Ti Fermi 850MHZ 1024MB 4104MHZ GDDR5 2XDVI Mini-HDMI PCI-E Video Card 

XFX 550W PRO550W Core Edition Single Rail ATX 12V 44A 24PIN ATX Power Supply 80PLUS Bronze 

$750
starleague forever
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
September 01 2011 16:18 GMT
#10513
Mushkins are at $35 after mail in rebate.

Antec Earthwatts is at $45.

MSI Twin Frozr II GTX 560 Ti is at $200 after mail in rebate and gift card.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-01 16:20:24
September 01 2011 16:20 GMT
#10514
On September 02 2011 00:40 ensign_lee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2011 00:05 Myrmidon wrote:
On September 02 2011 00:01 ensign_lee wrote:
@ lol. To erase any doubt, this is what I have: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182188

And it's currently running ~650W load 25/7. Still have a myrmidon "seal of grudging acceptance"? (Is that a better term? lol)


Not so sure. That's a pretty hardcore load to run 25 hours a day.

But seriously, is it running at 650W all the time? Have you measured this? You have like Folding@Home or are otherwise maxing out your CPU + GPUs all the time?


Yeah, maxing out doing distributed computing with dual ATI 6970s (just swapped in from 5870s, not sure if that was the best upgrade, but they were $220, meh). My UPS is saying it's drawing that much anyhow.

and lol at 25/7...whoops.... :D


Well, with efficiency, if it's running at 80% (not really likely that far below capacity), if it's pulling 650w from the wall, it's actually running at about 530w, I believe.
Gattaca.usa
Profile Joined October 2010
131 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-01 16:44:15
September 01 2011 16:42 GMT
#10515
On September 01 2011 23:50 JingleHell wrote:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148441&nm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL090111&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL090111-_-EMC-090111-Index-_-SSD-_-20148441-L0A

64GB Crucial M4 SSD for $90. Absolute steal.




ugh. i just paid 114.99 for that and it is being delivered today. FML

Also all my components are coming in today but the case doesn't get here until tomorrow. AHHHHHHHH
Deadpoetic0077
Profile Joined September 2010
United States63 Posts
September 01 2011 16:58 GMT
#10516
would 2 of these cards linked by sli:
Galaxy 60XGH3HS3CUD GeForce GTX 465 (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit DDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
Model #:60XGH3HS3CUD
Item #:N82E16814162052

be better than this card by itself:
SAPPHIRE 100314-3L Radeon HD 6870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
Model #:100314-3L
Item #:N82E16814102948

looking to use for gaming

Items found on newegg.com
Failure is only an opportunity to learn
Rachnar
Profile Joined October 2010
France1526 Posts
September 01 2011 16:59 GMT
#10517
the hd6870 is well much more worth it

"What if it's a triple DK ?" "Then we cry" "Prepare your handkerchief then ..."
ensign_lee
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1178 Posts
September 01 2011 16:59 GMT
#10518
On September 02 2011 01:20 JingleHell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2011 00:40 ensign_lee wrote:
On September 02 2011 00:05 Myrmidon wrote:
On September 02 2011 00:01 ensign_lee wrote:
@ lol. To erase any doubt, this is what I have: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182188

And it's currently running ~650W load 25/7. Still have a myrmidon "seal of grudging acceptance"? (Is that a better term? lol)


Not so sure. That's a pretty hardcore load to run 25 hours a day.

But seriously, is it running at 650W all the time? Have you measured this? You have like Folding@Home or are otherwise maxing out your CPU + GPUs all the time?


Yeah, maxing out doing distributed computing with dual ATI 6970s (just swapped in from 5870s, not sure if that was the best upgrade, but they were $220, meh). My UPS is saying it's drawing that much anyhow.

and lol at 25/7...whoops.... :D


Well, with efficiency, if it's running at 80% (not really likely that far below capacity), if it's pulling 650w from the wall, it's actually running at about 530w, I believe.


That's interesting. I thought that PSUs ran efficiently from 50 to 80% load?
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-01 17:03:26
September 01 2011 17:03 GMT
#10519
On September 02 2011 01:59 ensign_lee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2011 01:20 JingleHell wrote:
On September 02 2011 00:40 ensign_lee wrote:
On September 02 2011 00:05 Myrmidon wrote:
On September 02 2011 00:01 ensign_lee wrote:
@ lol. To erase any doubt, this is what I have: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182188

And it's currently running ~650W load 25/7. Still have a myrmidon "seal of grudging acceptance"? (Is that a better term? lol)


Not so sure. That's a pretty hardcore load to run 25 hours a day.

But seriously, is it running at 650W all the time? Have you measured this? You have like Folding@Home or are otherwise maxing out your CPU + GPUs all the time?


Yeah, maxing out doing distributed computing with dual ATI 6970s (just swapped in from 5870s, not sure if that was the best upgrade, but they were $220, meh). My UPS is saying it's drawing that much anyhow.

and lol at 25/7...whoops.... :D


Well, with efficiency, if it's running at 80% (not really likely that far below capacity), if it's pulling 650w from the wall, it's actually running at about 530w, I believe.


That's interesting. I thought that PSUs ran efficiently from 50 to 80% load?


Depends on the model, but I believe a lot of them dip a bit below optimal efficiency below certain levels of load. IIRC, they only test certain usage levels for efficiency for 80+ certifications.

As usual with PSU's, though, take me with a grain of salt, Myrm and skyR certainly know more.

Deadpoetic0077
Profile Joined September 2010
United States63 Posts
September 01 2011 17:05 GMT
#10520
On September 02 2011 01:59 Rachnar wrote:
the hd6870 is well much more worth it


U think that the 6870 will run stuff like sc2 battlefield bc3 and skyrim better than those 2 linked up? id honestly prefer to go with just the one cause its cheaper but im willin to spend a little extra cash to get the better stuff
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