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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-30 03:20:50
August 30 2011 03:15 GMT
#10441
Did you mean to say "yes" for overclocking? The i5-2500k has no advantage over the i5-2500 except for having the unlocked multiplier for overclocking, you don't need an aftermarket CPU cooler unless you're overclocking, and you don't need a P67 (or Z68) motherboard unless you're overclocking. Just get a H67 motherboard with the ports and features you need, or even H61.

That is an absolutely ridiculous price for a Seasonic M12II. You also don't need nearly that high of a wattage, especially since you don't need a ridiculous GPU to play games on medium-high. The Antec Neo Eco 450C is manufactured by Seasonic on the same base design as a slightly earlier revision of the M12II, just it's not modular and uses slightly cheaper components here and there. But it's only $60 for mostly the same product.

http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=15_535&products_id=13454

edit: lower than the M12II in price, the Antec TruePower New (Seasonic OEM, partially modular), Silverstone Strider Plus 600W (Enhance OEM, fully modular), Corsair TX V2 (Seasonic OEM), Corsair HX650 (Seasonic OEM, modular), Antec Earthwatts Green 650w (Delta OEM), Antec High Current Gamer 750W (Delta OEM), and arguably a few others are all better.

Graphics card kind of depends on how much you want to spend. There's a low-end 1GB DDR3 HD 5670 for $60 if you're sure you just want to run SC2 on medium, an HD 6770 for $125 for running SC2 on high without trouble, and an HD 6850 for $170 if you want to play on ultra or look a little more to the future. Nvidia alternatives at those price points did not look good, including the cheaper GTS 450 models listed, which used slower DDR3 memory and would be worse than the HD 6770.
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=193_963&products_id=16359
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=193_1225&products_id=17749
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=193_877&products_id=18269

As long as you don't need to add more hard drives and choose a microATX case, a decent option would be the Antec NSK3480 ($115, but includes a decent power supply so no reason to get a different PSU):
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=25_547&products_id=5771

There are plenty of other options. Just pick some you think look okay, and maybe we can see if they are of reasonable construction/features.
CuraOh
Profile Joined November 2010
Chile81 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-30 03:47:01
August 30 2011 03:46 GMT
#10442
@reebuns

this is a good motherboard and less expensive

ASRock Z68 Pro3-M
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=138_711_1183&products_id=17351 $120

i recomend you change the power supply for this because your system on load use on max 400w
and this is a rebranded seasonic

Antec High Current Gamer 520W Power Supply
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=15_226&products_id=15135 $80

i noticed that you dont have memory this is a good deal

Patriot PC3-10600 2x4GB DDR3
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=186_538_913&products_id=18170 $50

that give you a total of $716


VTX3D Radeon HD6950 1GB
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=193_1179&products_id=16894 $240


CoolerMaster Elite 371 Case
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=25_547&products_id=17196 $45

that is a total of $1001

if you want to change the graphics for nvidia the gtx 560 ti
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=193_1193&products_id=16907 $240

and the case is a personal choice i just put one that is not garbage and could fit in your budget(i like lian li k58 but is out of your budget)
b_unnies
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
3579 Posts
August 30 2011 03:57 GMT
#10443
On August 29 2011 12:46 skyR wrote:

1600MHz memory is a waste of money:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/memory/display/sandy-bridge-ddr3.html
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4503/sandy-bridge-memory-scaling-choosing-the-best-ddr3
http://techreport.com/articles.x/20377

8GB of cas9 1333MHz memory should be about $30 to $45.


No, that's a terrible power supply. Coolermaster power supplies are generally terrible. It doesn't have PFC, no 80+ certification, only one PCIe connector (your GTX 460 requires two so you'll using adapters...), and only provides 26a on the 12v rail (a 460w power supply is suppose to provide around 34a on the 12v).

If you're looking for a new non shit power supply, you could look into getting a Antec Neo Eco 520, Antec High Current Gamer 520, Antec Earthwatts 500, or an XFX Core Edition Pro 450 (NOT THE V2). To tell whether a power supply is good or not, you need to look at the internals aka just look at reviews from jonnyguru or hardwaresecrets, etc. (not newegg reviews). Generally, most of Corsair, XFX, Antec, and Seasonic power supplies are good. Power supplies are quite complicated so just ask if you are unsure of its quality.



So here's my revised set-up.
CPU - i5 2500k (i prefer to get it at newegg since i dont have a car to get to microcenter)
Motherboard - Asus P8P67
Graphics - MSI GTX460 (already owned)

Memory - So instead of 1600mhz, what is one that is a better recommendation for a 1333mhz?

PSU - On second thought, I think I prefer that I have a PSU recommended to me due to lack of knowledge

Case - I'm still not sure if my current case is fine or if I need to get myself a new case
CharlieBrownsc
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada598 Posts
August 30 2011 04:08 GMT
#10444
On August 30 2011 12:57 b_unnies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2011 12:46 skyR wrote:

1600MHz memory is a waste of money:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/memory/display/sandy-bridge-ddr3.html
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4503/sandy-bridge-memory-scaling-choosing-the-best-ddr3
http://techreport.com/articles.x/20377

8GB of cas9 1333MHz memory should be about $30 to $45.


No, that's a terrible power supply. Coolermaster power supplies are generally terrible. It doesn't have PFC, no 80+ certification, only one PCIe connector (your GTX 460 requires two so you'll using adapters...), and only provides 26a on the 12v rail (a 460w power supply is suppose to provide around 34a on the 12v).

If you're looking for a new non shit power supply, you could look into getting a Antec Neo Eco 520, Antec High Current Gamer 520, Antec Earthwatts 500, or an XFX Core Edition Pro 450 (NOT THE V2). To tell whether a power supply is good or not, you need to look at the internals aka just look at reviews from jonnyguru or hardwaresecrets, etc. (not newegg reviews). Generally, most of Corsair, XFX, Antec, and Seasonic power supplies are good. Power supplies are quite complicated so just ask if you are unsure of its quality.



So here's my revised set-up.
CPU - i5 2500k (i prefer to get it at newegg since i dont have a car to get to microcenter)
Motherboard - Asus P8P67
Graphics - MSI GTX460 (already owned)

Memory - So instead of 1600mhz, what is one that is a better recommendation for a 1333mhz?

PSU - On second thought, I think I prefer that I have a PSU recommended to me due to lack of knowledge

Case - I'm still not sure if my current case is fine or if I need to get myself a new case


Literally any 1333mhz is the same, just find the cheapest one
SC2 ID: CharlieBrown.318, #1 bitbybit.Prime fan
gruff
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden2276 Posts
August 30 2011 06:39 GMT
#10445
The 2x6-pin to 8-pin adapter that comes with many graphic cards is not neccesary if you have a 8-pin (6+2) from your psu right?
Nephrite
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia202 Posts
August 30 2011 07:00 GMT
#10446
Hey guys, I have a build for a friend who wants to play SC2 and other games in the future, has a budget around 1700-1800 (has keyboard and mouse + sound system). Was seeing if any improvements could be made.

CPU: Intel Core i5 2500K
Motherboard: ASRock P67 Pro3 Motherboard B3
RAM: GSkill Ripjaws X F3-12800CL9D-8GBXL(2x4GB)DDR3
GPU: VTX3D Radeon HD6950 2GB
Case: Coolermaster HAF 912 Advanced
PSU: Silverstone Strider Plus 600W ST60F-P
HSF: CoolerMaster Hyper 212+ CPU Cooler
SSD: Crucial M4 SSD 128GB
HDD: Samsung SpinPoint F3 1TB HD103SJ
OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit
Monitor: BenQ E2420HD 24 Inch Widescreen LCD Monitor
DVD: LG CH12LS28 12X BD-R Blu-ray DVD Combo Drive

Overall Price is $1636
T: MVP, Polt, MKP, Boxer... P: Hero, MC, Inca , VINES... Z: Coca, DRG, Zenio, Leenock
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
August 30 2011 08:00 GMT
#10447
@gruff

Ya it's not necessary if your power supply already provides the necessary PCIe connectors.

@Nephrite

It's a good build but the 6950 2GB may be a little overkill if you aren't planning to do Eyefinity (which you aren't since you aren't getting a CrossfireX capable motherboard) or play texture heavy games at max AF/AA. 1GB variant will perform the same in most of the games.

600w is overkill, you can get the 500w variant if you want a modular power supply. If not, you can get the Antec High Current Gamer 520 or Neo Eco 520.
Quartal
Profile Joined April 2011
140 Posts
August 30 2011 08:06 GMT
#10448
Unless your friend is playing on >1 monitor or above 1920x1080 the 1GB version of the 6950 will perform around the same. Also save ~$15 and get the G.Skill NT 8gb kit at 1333Mhz as having that memory will only improve performance by a couple of FPS.

You can get the SSD a bit cheaper from here

Other than that looks pretty good, that big a psu isn't strictly needed but if you want modular it's not a bad choice. Blu-ray drive is also not really needed but could be nice to have.
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
August 30 2011 08:25 GMT
#10449
If he wants to be able to play bluray discs, I'd say it's certainly needed.
Banelings are too cute to blow up
ensign_lee
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1178 Posts
August 30 2011 14:34 GMT
#10450
On August 30 2011 17:25 nihlon wrote:
If he wants to be able to play bluray discs, I'd say it's certainly needed.


He'll have to get third party software to actually play the DVDs though, which adds another $50 to the price. Something to take into consideration.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
August 30 2011 14:43 GMT
#10451
On August 30 2011 17:00 skyR wrote:
@Nephrite

It's a good build but the 6950 2GB may be a little overkill if you aren't planning to do Eyefinity (which you aren't since you aren't getting a CrossfireX capable motherboard) or play texture heavy games at max AF/AA. 1GB variant will perform the same in most of the games.

600w is overkill, you can get the 500w variant if you want a modular power supply. If not, you can get the Antec High Current Gamer 520 or Neo Eco 520.


500W Silverstone Strider Plus variant is FSP and is significantly worse, with somewhat poor voltage regulation and transient response. If full modularity is not needed, I'd consider something else though, that's for sure. Actually PCCaseGear doesn't seem to offer the ST50F-P, so it's a moot point.

Yeah and I guess VTX3D is the low-cost regional brand? HIS isn't exactly tops either, but I think the HD 6950 IceQ is decent.
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=18197
ensign_lee
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1178 Posts
August 30 2011 18:11 GMT
#10452
On August 30 2011 15:39 gruff wrote:
The 2x6-pin to 8-pin adapter that comes with many graphic cards is not neccesary if you have a 8-pin (6+2) from your psu right?


True. It's just there for people who don't have the proper connections on their PSU.
gruff
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden2276 Posts
August 30 2011 19:20 GMT
#10453
Lol, I just got 10 SSD's instead of the one I ordered. Any suggestions what fun you could do with 10 of them? :D

Sort of counteracts the fact that my new screen turned out to be faulty hehe.

*sigh* I guess I have to return them...
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
August 30 2011 19:27 GMT
#10454
Haha nice! I believe if something like that happens in the U.S. it's illegal to keep them :o. There was some ruling about it, petty amounts you're allowed to keep (imagine getting a free watermelon on accident via grocery store b/c clerk didn't ring you up), but in a situation say they accidentally charged you $1,000 for a car instead of $10,000, it's illegal not to report the discrepancy. Not sure if something like that exists in Sweden.
ensign_lee
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1178 Posts
August 30 2011 19:28 GMT
#10455
um...sell them? I'll buy one off of you. :D
gruff
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden2276 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-30 19:31:25
August 30 2011 19:30 GMT
#10456
Lol, yeah maybe. I guess there is some law against it in Sweden as well but I'm not sure. I could "forget to open the box" and see if they notice. I'm such a pussy though, I'm not sure I would dare to sell them.
Toss907
Profile Joined March 2011
United States71 Posts
August 30 2011 19:32 GMT
#10457
OK guys, one last question since you have been so good to me before I boot up my comp for the first time. My Antec 920 install manual says to install software before installing the cooler, I also read this on newegg that people didnt do this and it screwed them.

So do I install the stock CPU fan to get this thing running or just leave it off till i get the comp up n running to install the software?
Winning!
CharlieBrownsc
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada598 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-30 19:39:19
August 30 2011 19:36 GMT
#10458
On August 31 2011 04:30 gruff wrote:
Lol, yeah maybe. I guess there is some law against it in Sweden as well but I'm not sure. I could "forget to open the box" and see if they notice. I'm such a pussy though, I'm not sure I would dare to sell them.


If you do decide to sell them I'll gladly buy one

They sent you 10, that's so funny

Kind of silly though, if they fuck up, that's their responsibility
SC2 ID: CharlieBrown.318, #1 bitbybit.Prime fan
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
August 30 2011 19:39 GMT
#10459
On August 31 2011 04:32 Toss907 wrote:
OK guys, one last question since you have been so good to me before I boot up my comp for the first time. My Antec 920 install manual says to install software before installing the cooler, I also read this on newegg that people didnt do this and it screwed them.

So do I install the stock CPU fan to get this thing running or just leave it off till i get the comp up n running to install the software?


I have no idea about the Antec water cooler and why the software is necessary (so I advise just following what they say), but whatever you do, don't try running the computer without any heatsink on the CPU.
Ata
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada356 Posts
August 30 2011 19:53 GMT
#10460
On August 31 2011 04:30 gruff wrote:
Lol, yeah maybe. I guess there is some law against it in Sweden as well but I'm not sure. I could "forget to open the box" and see if they notice. I'm such a pussy though, I'm not sure I would dare to sell them.


You sir, are one lucky whore. what brand size model?
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