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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
gruff
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden2276 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-22 08:47:43
August 22 2011 08:18 GMT
#10041
nvm, I found good answer to my question.
Sephyr
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia665 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-22 09:45:27
August 22 2011 09:44 GMT
#10042
Okay so I plan on building a really nice computer. Though, I obviously need help; hence why I'm here .

Okay, so my budget is virtually limitless but I guess you can put the hard cap on $4,000 AUD.
I also won't mind paying more than the cap IF the parts are well worth it.

My current resolution is 1920x1080. I guess I can also upgrade this too if need be. (Won't affect my budget)
I'm using this for gaming/streaming. . I plan to upgrade in the next 2 years also.
I should have the money within a month easily, so I'll be putting the computer together in about 6 weeks I guess.
With this, I just wanted to quickly ask.. Are there any new computer enhancements coming out? Like a brand new technology etc. If so, I'll delay building this by however long it takes. I don't wanna build it then have some really good product come out and it's too late
Yes, I do plan on overclocking!
At the moment, no I don't need a new OS.
I also want a second GPU for Crossfire or SLI, whichever is better I guess :s.
Um.. I live in Melbourne, Victoria so I'd have no idea where I'd buy my parts from :o
Any questions on this please feel free to ask :p

Edit: Also I'll be building this computer from scratch so I guess a suitable PC Case (looks cool, cute lights etc! :D) would be helpful.
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-22 12:48:04
August 22 2011 12:42 GMT
#10043
I use pcccasegear.com since they've got a good range of products and have extremely good delivery/packaging. Alternative brick and mortar stores would be Umart, MSY, PCDIY, Scorptec, and CPL however I'd just stick with pccasegear.com since they're pretty honest and easy to deal with.

Processor: Intel i5 2500k
Motherboard: Asrock P67 Pro3
Memory: Pariot 2x4GB kit
SSD: Corsair Force 3
Storage Drive: Western Digital Green 2TB
GPU: Radeon 6950
CPU heatsink: Gelid Tranquillo
Power Supply: Antec Neo Eco 520C

Some justifications:
Hyperthreading isn't really worth $100 unless you especially need it. I know streaming can use the extra threads but whether you will actually benefit from an i7 depends entirely on what quality settings you're going to stream at and how often you are going to do so.

I picked the HD6950 over the GTX560 Ti because its cheaper. A stock HD6950 will beat a stock GTX560 Ti and while the GTX560 Ti can overclock well, the HD6950 can also overclock so...

I picked the Gelid Tranquillo instead of the Hyper 212+ because the $6 difference results in a lot of little improvements. It performs well enough, its shorter so clearance issues aren't so much of a problem, it has a better included fan, and it has a fairly robust mounting system. Yes, a lot of cases with side fans, such as the NZXT Phantom and Antec P193, cannot properly fit full 158mm tower heatsinks so the Gelid Tanquillo is fairly popular for this reason.

I haven't included a case but look here and list the ones that suit your tastes. Then we can eliminate the bad choices/weaker entries.

This is a "sweet spot" build that will last 2 years - any more money spent on this build and you will see little benefit. I wouldn't recommend Crossfire or SLI...you're welcome to try it but until the new generation of consoles come out, you're likely to be a bit disappointed in its performance. If you turn off anti-aliasing, you shouldn't have too much trouble getting close to maxing 95% of computer games out right now.

I know you have a lot of money to spend but be fiscally responsible and don't spend it all on something that you won't see any return from. $2500 can go a long way to doing a lot of things: it can go in the rainy day fund, pay back any debts, buy a sick home theater system, or be invested into some project you want to do like carpentry. I sound like your mum but money is always hard earned and it doesn't grow on trees.
nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-22 13:50:41
August 22 2011 13:43 GMT
#10044
He will "save" money regardless if he does sli/cf or not. He didn't state why he want cf/sli so here is one build.

http://www.pccasegear.com
Intel Core i7 2600K (for streaming)
Corsair Graphite 600T Special Edition White Case (Personal choice)
Scythe Mugen 2 Cooler Rev B
2 x ASUS GTX 560 Ti DirectCU II Overclocked 1GB
Intel 510 120GB SATA III SSD
Samsung SpinPoint F3 1TB
G.Skill Ripjaws X 8GB DDR3
ASUS P8P67 Deluxe Motherboard B3
X Core Edition Pro 650W

~$1900 (aud)
I'm sure you could fine better priced items but the layout of that site is horrible. 6950's in crossfire scales fairly well also if you prefer amd.
Rachnar
Profile Joined October 2010
France1526 Posts
August 22 2011 13:49 GMT
#10045
at that price he might as well get a gtx 580 ....
"What if it's a triple DK ?" "Then we cry" "Prepare your handkerchief then ..."
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
August 22 2011 13:51 GMT
#10046
If you want SLI/Crossfire for performance, as Womwomwom was alluding to, you won't need it, playing on 1920x1080. If it's something you want to tinker with for benchmarks, for the sake of having it, or maybe if you want to upgrade to an Eyefinity setup (e.g. playing with a game spread across three 1920x1080 screens), then sure. Otherwise it's not worth it. If you're thinking about overkill now to avoid having to upgrade later, that's not going to work out well.
nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-22 14:00:27
August 22 2011 13:52 GMT
#10047
On August 22 2011 22:49 Rachnar wrote:
at that price he might as well get a gtx 580 ....


And some people prefer 560 ti sli over one gtx 580. Have you looked at the benchmarks? Here is one:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_560_Ti_SLI/23.html

Don't get me wrong, I prefer single card setups, but if you are chasing numbers it's not a bad setup.
Rachnar
Profile Joined October 2010
France1526 Posts
August 22 2011 14:03 GMT
#10048
in pure raw power ofc SLI or CX is better then a single card, but not on new games and some games never are good with multi gpu configuration
"What if it's a triple DK ?" "Then we cry" "Prepare your handkerchief then ..."
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-22 14:14:25
August 22 2011 14:06 GMT
#10049
He has a 1920x1080 monitor, what is the point of Crossfire or SLI? If he's going to get any use out of any Crossfire or SLI system, he's going to need Eyefinity/Surround or a 2560x1440 monitor, which is not cheap needless to say.

If he doesn't buy another card, doesn't spend more on the motherboard, and doesn't spend more on on the power supply, he's going to save even more money. My build, including a Corsair 600T, ends up being $1257, which is more than $600 cheaper than yours. That's a lot of money to save - that buys a mean speaker/headphone set if you care about audio.

There also isn't any point going for SLI unless you're going for SLI GTX580s aka the most powerful system possible. HD6950 not only scales better than GTX560 Ti but has far lower power draw.
nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
August 22 2011 14:29 GMT
#10050
He said what his current resolution was and that he was ready to upgrade if needed. He could easily fit a 2560x1440 monitor into his budget or eyefinity for that matter.

And yes generally 6950 cf is preferable but the asus is a great card and it has some decent oc potential and a good cooler. I don't agree that you have to go to sli gtx 580 for it to have a point. What would be the point then?

And shouldn't it be up to him if he thinks those $600 is worth it? I was only giving him an option. Not everyone is as anal about money.

On August 22 2011 23:03 Rachnar wrote:
in pure raw power ofc SLI or CX is better then a single card, but not on new games and some games never are good with multi gpu configuration


Then I don't see the point in your condecending post.
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-22 16:16:10
August 22 2011 15:09 GMT
#10051
No, because he obviously isn't technically advanced to buy his own parts - he doesn't even know where to buy his parts from in Victoria. If you don't know MSY, then you don't know DIY computers as simple as that, its rude and condescending to say that but that's pretty much the truth.

Obviously if you dangle raw numbers infront of him, he's going to buy the most expensive system possible. He's obviously not an enthusiast and Crossfire/SLI are deep in enthusiast territory with the juggling of drivers, profiles, software and hardware problems, and pretty minimal performance gains for 1080P gaming. The same goes for getting a good Eyefinity/Surround system working.

I've not even going to suggest a 2560x1440 monitor either because the only accessible, high-performance, non-grainy IPS panel is the Apple Cinema Display and it works...strangely on Windows to say the least.
Kinetik_Inferno
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1431 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-22 17:03:16
August 22 2011 16:57 GMT
#10052
On August 22 2011 06:09 Hereticus wrote:
What does "decent price" mean to You.

I found "smart" price SSD Sata III to be 60 GB
this OCZ for example is just under 100$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227728

next in line is 120GB, but thats double the price (190$ actually)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227726

60 GB should be enough for system and a few games.
Then get a cheaper Sata III HDD
this one is 55$ for 1TB with access time or 4ms
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148697

generally chose the cheapest one of these u can afford:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007603 600003483 600003269&IsNodeId=1&name=1TB and higher&Order=PRICE&Pagesize=100


A couple of things that come to mind:

Do I have to worry about Hard Drive port compatibility? Or are they all Standard? Does the port differ from SSDs to HDDs?

I'm looking at the OCZ Agility 3 120GB that you linked to. Many of the reviewers on Newegg are reporting that it's incredibly fast, but it's littered with firmware issues and something about BSOD errors popping up. Should I be concerned? Are these problems fixable? Are these problems a minority? If those are directly caused by the degradation issues SSDs have I am not concerned. I will run TRIM and constantly secure delete as instructed to do so by anandtech.

The HDDs look like a much simpler science.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
August 22 2011 16:59 GMT
#10053
All the 2.5" and 3.5" HDDs and SSDs use the SATA interface. SATA 3Gbps and 6Gbps are backwards and forward compatible. Just be aware that HDDs do not utilize 6Gbps at all, it's just a marketing gimmick.

OCZ isn't known for it's reliability. Their SSDs are known to fail >.> If you're concerned about reliability, it's best to get Samsung, Crucial, or Intel.
Kinetik_Inferno
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1431 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-22 17:21:31
August 22 2011 17:13 GMT
#10054
Thanks. What's the difference between SATA3 and SATA2 storage devices? They appear to be a port between internal storage devices and the motherboard, but are SATA2 and SATA3 backwards/ forwards compatible? Does anything change between them?

Also, on the SSD specifications, it says "Interface: Sata II"
But on the motherboard it says stuff like "Sata 3GB/s : 4"

What does that mean? Is Sata III better than II?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
August 22 2011 17:21 GMT
#10055
I already explained everything in my previous post... The two are backwards and forward compatible. SATA 3 (6Gbps) is faster than SATA 2 (3Gbps), only certain SSDs take advantage of 6Gbps.
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
August 22 2011 17:21 GMT
#10056
SATA3 is faster than SATA2. They're forward/backward compatible.

High end SSDs will benefits from the speed increase. Mechanical hard disks will not, its just marketing fluff.
Kinetik_Inferno
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1431 Posts
August 22 2011 17:26 GMT
#10057
Ok. The Asus Motherboard I'm looking at has all the features I need (H67, LGA1155, Only one expansion slot so I'm not paying extra for that, etc.) but it seems to be riddled with issues. Are Asus motherboards just unreliable? Is there a particular brand that's more reliable?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
August 22 2011 17:32 GMT
#10058
Where are you doing your research that it's riddled with issues... ? Are you basing this off a measly amount of idiotic etailer (Newegg) reviews ... ? ASUS is a premium brand and EVO is one of their highest-end motherboards, you're paying extra for the ASUS name and not to mention paying extra for one of their high-end EVO boards...

For $125, you should not be getting a H67 motherboard unless you are looking at ITX.
Kinetik_Inferno
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1431 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-22 17:46:27
August 22 2011 17:44 GMT
#10059
On August 23 2011 02:32 skyR wrote:
Where are you doing your research that it's riddled with issues... ? Are you basing this off a measly amount of idiotic etailer (Newegg) reviews ... ? ASUS is a premium brand and EVO is one of their highest-end motherboards, you're paying extra for the ASUS name and not to mention paying extra for one of their high-end EVO boards...

For $125, you should not be getting a H67 motherboard unless you are looking at ITX.


What is ITX?

I'm getting it because it and the H61 are for non-overclockers. I am getting the i5 2500 and do not plan on overclocking. I will, however defer to you unless H67 is unnecessary and an H61 or something else is just as good.

On another note, I found a good SSD that will work out. Of 84 reviews on Newegg it's rated 5 stars and on other sites it is considered quite good, too.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147063
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
August 22 2011 17:51 GMT
#10060
ITX is a form factor. If you don't know what it is than you do not need to concern yourself about it.

You don't have to get a H61 motherboard if you don't want to but there are many H67 motherboards for sub $100... but if you want to pay for a premium product from a premium company than you're welcome to do so.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157233
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130569
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131713
and more...

Samsung 470 is one of the most reliable SSDs on the market. It's a 3Gbps SSD so getting a H61 motherboard is adequate.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157236
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157241
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128486
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131716
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121529
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