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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
On July 29 2011 06:47 MaieVShadowsonG wrote: can anyone help me out plz? Sorry I missed it. + Show Spoiler [old post] + On July 28 2011 21:21 MaieVShadowsonG wrote: Hello tl ppl. im noob getting a new custom pc up so i would appreciate if u could help me out with building a new one. What is your budget? My budget is about 1100 euro. What is your resolution? Im prepared to go for HD cause im getting a new monitor with hd. i dont know what resolution is that :/ What are you using it for? I want this computer for gaming mostly but i want to keep it for about 5 years and change only the graphics card or mostly the ram. What is your upgrade cycle? My upgrade cycle is about 4 or 5 years changing only graphics card When do you plan on building it? In about a month or less Do you plan on overclocking? I dont even think about overclocking cause i dont know how to overclock Do you need an Operating System? Yes i would like an operating system Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? Is it needed to add a second GPU? i just need that pc to play games. Where are you buying your parts from? www.skroutz.gr I appreciate for your effort in advance and hope not to be a bother. thanks a lot. As always, feel free to get a different case or whatever. Based on your responses it seems like maybe you wouldn't want to do maintenance all the time, so I picked a case that has few holes for dust to go in, and easy-to-clean dust filters on the intakes. I also picked an overkill power supply. Add Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit (OEM version okay) to this and whatever monitor is to your liking. No reason to get under 1920x1080 these days on that budget. To be honest, the prices aren't that good, even though it's listing the best. Maybe you should just get everything from hardwareversand.de instead. Their shipping is just 30 euros for the whole order. Core i5-2500 - 178€ http://www.skroutz.gr/s/313287/Intel-Core-I5-2500-Box.html AsRock H61M-VS - 51€ http://www.skroutz.gr/s/331228/Asrock-H61M-VS-B3.html Gigabyte GTX 560 Ti - 210€ http://www.skroutz.gr/s/317916/Gigabyte-GeForce-GTX-560-Ti-1GB-OC.html Kingston 2 x 4GB DDR3 RAM (you won't need to add more) - 48€ http://www.skroutz.gr/s/296435/Kingston-ValueRAM-8GB-1333MHZ-DDR3-NON-E.html Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB - 50€ http://www.skroutz.gr/s/93955/Samsung-Spinpoint-F3-1TB.html LG CD / DVD-RW - 14€ http://www.skroutz.gr/s/285239/LG-GH22NS50.html FSP Aurum Gold 500W - 73€ http://www.skroutz.gr/s/324031/FSP-Aurum-Gold-500.html Cooler Master Silencio - 79€ http://www.skroutz.gr/s/343008/CoolerMaster-Silencio-RC-550.html | ||
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Melancholia
United States717 Posts
On July 29 2011 07:15 nam nam wrote: Unless you want to play every game on max settings that laptop would run most current games fine with medium/high settings. I'd like Skyrim to run on high, though it's not a necessity. I'm mainly looking at the price. If I can reasonable expect to find something that is as or more powerful than this for more than about $60 less between now and the end of the Black Friday sales then I will wait. If this is good enough that finding a deal that much better isn't likely, then I will get it. This is keeping in mind that getting a 1920x1080 (or if extraordinarily lucky, better) monitor with it is a big factor in my choice. | ||
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Jormundr
United States1678 Posts
I am planning to build a decently high end computer which will have a television as the primary monitor. I would like the television to be able to function both as a TV and as a monitor capable of displaying HD video. My first question is whether or not this is a good idea or if it there are important reasons to use a screen marketed as a computer monitor. If that basic plan holds merit, I would be very, very grateful if someone could help me come up with a build. What is your budget? My overall budget is $1500. Because this covers both buying comp. hardware and a television as a monitor, I would say the split should go roughly $1000 to computer, $500 to television. What are you using it for? Initially it will be mainly gaming / music / video. I would like to be able to stream(sc2) but it is not a necessity. For streaming I could definitely lower game resolution if necessary, and I would not be using a webcam. I will be adding on more studio equipment this year, so it must be able to accommodate low latency synth playback through a keyboard midi interface. However, with current processor speeds, this generally tends to be a non issue. I will be purchasing a recording interface(read: external sound card) for all of my sound production needs separately, so the sound card just needs to be sufficient for high quality music playback (Not talking about lossless, just minimum distortion as it will generally be the input for an ancient 100 watt 8 ohm 2.1 speaker setup). However, I will need firewire ports because of the recording interface. TL;DR Priority: 1. Gaming and sound production (Just need regular audio card) 2. Autocad/Vectorworks 3. HD video playback 4. Streaming What is your resolution? Resolution should be based on the TV I end up buying. What is your upgrade cycle? Next major upgrade cycle will most likely be in 3-4 years. When do you plan on building it? I plan on building it in the first three weeks of august Do you plan on overclocking? I do not plan on overclocking. Do you need an Operating System? Yes. Pref. win 7. Can take advantage of academic discounts. Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? I do not plan to, unless it is useful or necessary in order to achieve the stated goals of using the TV as a primary display surface (I must proclaim my ignorance of video processing). Where are you buying your parts from? Newegg and any other reliable source that will ship to Greensboro, NC. | ||
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Melancholia
United States717 Posts
I'm really not clear on why you need to display on a TV. Without a good reason I don't expect it to be worth the cost. Edit: Though damn, TV prices really have come down since the last time I checked. | ||
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Jormundr
United States1678 Posts
On July 29 2011 07:26 Melancholia wrote: As far as the computer is concerned TVs and computer monitors are exactly the same, though in my experience TVs really don't look as good as monitors. It's a question of whether the larger screen size is worth the loss in visual fidelity and the hit to the budget for the system. Edit: Though damn, TV prices really have come down since the last time I checked. How large would you say the gap in quality is between the two? for instance between a http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16889150005 and a http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236103 Edit: Hehe, yeah. I'm not that spoiled when it comes to screens though, up until now my tv was an old 18" box tv and my secondary monitor for my laptop was a 13" fucker that weighed 25 lbs. That's why in the products I chose I made sure that they had a decent rating based on a 'decent' sample size of reviews. | ||
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
On July 29 2011 07:22 Melancholia wrote: I'd like Skyrim to run on high, though it's not a necessity. I'm mainly looking at the price. If I can reasonable expect to find something that is as or more powerful than this for more than about $60 less between now and the end of the Black Friday sales then I will wait. If this is good enough that finding a deal that much better isn't likely, then I will get it. Sorry, I'm not really able enough to answer those questions, maybe someone else can. I'd probably think you could find something equal or better during that time but I'm not familiar with the costs in NA to say how much. Good luck though. | ||
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Melancholia
United States717 Posts
On July 29 2011 07:40 Jormundr wrote: + Show Spoiler + How large would you say the gap in quality is between the two? for instance between a http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16889150005 and a http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236103 Edit: Hehe, yeah. I'm not that spoiled when it comes to screens though, up until now my tv was an old 18" box tv and my secondary monitor for my laptop was a 13" fucker that weighed 25 lbs. That's why in the products I chose I made sure that they had a decent rating based on a 'decent' sample size of reviews. I really can't say to be honest. My experience is just over the 5-6 TVs I've run my computer through compared to the monitor I usually use, I can't actually pick out which technical details are driving the difference. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
Look very very very carefully at TV models if you want to use it for computer and/or gaming usage. Because of the processing they do, display latency (input lag) of around 30ms is considered decent and better than most models. Some models may have two or three times that. Most computer monitors range from like 5-15ms unless maybe you're looking at the top-end professional panels, which are slower. I have a 32" 1080p LG 32LD450 which is tolerable for gaming (don't use it as a computer monitor though), but there's a panel lottery. Some have an LG S-IPS panel, while others have a different AUO panel. I think the response time and display latency may be significantly different. I have the S-IPS panel. Get Windows 7 for $30 or whatever through school. Core i5-2500 - $195 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115073 Intel H67 microATX motherboard (FireWire, USB3, SATA3) - $105 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121509 Sapphire HD 6950 1GB - $245, $230 AMIR http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102949 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820139075 edit: (credit skyR for the find, thanks) G.Skill 2 x 4GB DDR3 RAM - $45 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231311 Crucial M4 64GB SSD - $105 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148441 Samsung Spinpoint F4 EcoGreen 1.5TB - $60 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152287 LG CD / DVD-RW - $19 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136238 extra SATA cable - $3 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812200120 XFX Core Edition 450W - $55, $45 AMIR http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207012 Cooler Master HAF 912 - $55 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119233 Behringer UCA202 USB sound card - $26 (good line-out performance for the price, see this review) http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/422094-REG/Behringer_UCA202_UCA202_USB_Audio_Interface.html You're doing audio work, so I tried to include components that would be relatively quiet. If you want, you could get a quieter case as well, like the Fractal Design Define R3 (now about $110). edit: and maybe an aftermarket cooler if the stock fan is spinning up a bit noticeably while processing things. Your typical 120mm fan tower cooler (e.g. Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus, Xigmatek Gaia, around $25-30) set to the lowest fan speed should have plenty of cooling ability while being next to silent. | ||
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Melancholia
United States717 Posts
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
GSkill Ripjaws 2x4GB 1333MHz @ $45 (with promo code EMCKCHB22, ends 8/3 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231311 | ||
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Jormundr
United States1678 Posts
On July 29 2011 07:54 Myrmidon wrote: @Jormundr Look very very very carefully at TV models if you want to use it for computer and/or gaming usage. Because of the processing they do, display latency (input lag) of around 30ms is considered decent and better than most models. Some models may have two or three times that. Most computer monitors range from like 5-15ms unless maybe you're looking at the top-end professional panels, which are slower. I have a 32" 1080p LG 32LD450 which is tolerable for gaming (don't use it as a computer monitor though), but there's a panel lottery. Some have an LG S-IPS panel, while others have a different AUO panel. I think the response time and display latency may be significantly different. I have the S-IPS panel. Get Windows 7 for $30 or whatever through school. Core i5-2500 - $195 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115073 Intel H67 microATX motherboard (FireWire, USB3, SATA3) - $105 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121509 Sapphire HD 6950 1GB - $245, $230 AMIR http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102949 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820139075 edit: (credit skyR for the find, thanks) G.Skill 2 x 4GB DDR3 RAM - $45 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231311 Crucial M4 64GB SSD - $105 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148441 Samsung Spinpoint F4 EcoGreen 1.5TB - $60 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152287 LG CD / DVD-RW - $19 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136238 extra SATA cable - $3 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812200120 XFX Core Edition 450W - $55, $45 AMIR http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207012 Cooler Master HAF 912 - $55 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119233 Behringer UCA202 USB sound card - $26 (good line-out performance for the price, see this review) http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/422094-REG/Behringer_UCA202_UCA202_USB_Audio_Interface.html You're doing audio work, so I tried to include components that would be relatively quiet. If you want, you could get a quieter case as well, like the Fractal Design Define R3 (now about $110). edit: and maybe an aftermarket cooler if the stock fan is spinning up a bit noticeably while processing things. Your typical 120mm fan tower cooler (e.g. Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus, Xigmatek Gaia, around $25-30) set to the lowest fan speed should have plenty of cooling ability while being next to silent. Thank you and skyR so much! My question about the windows 7 is that everything I have read about it requires that you have a pre-existing license, which I don't understand. ex; http://www.microsoftstore.com/store?SiteID=msstore&Action=DisplayProductDetailsPage&productID=216644200 Also, the assembly doesn't have to be that quiet, as I have a bit of acoustical foam in my stock, and I can always just isolate the tower with that pretty quickly/efficiently. Edit: Also, what are the benifits of having both a SSD and regular HD? I assume from what little I know that the point is to put your OS and most of your programs/temp files on the SSD because they read faster? | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
On July 29 2011 08:17 Jormundr wrote: Also, the assembly doesn't have to be that quiet, as I have a bit of acoustical foam in my stock, and I can always just isolate the tower with that pretty quickly/efficiently. Edit: Also, what are the benifits of having both a SSD and regular HD? I assume from what little I know that the point is to put your OS and most of your programs/temp files on the SSD because they read faster? Well there were no performance/noise or price/noise tradeoffs there, so nothing needs to be changed. No harm in the current config I think. That's right about the SSD. Also, so the writes (small writes, not big sequential chunks) from all kinds of temp files created during normal computer usage, are faster as well. One possible thing to change is the hard drive. I listed a 5400 rpm drive for cost/capacity and noise concerns. If the SSD isn't large enough to store all the programs and games you would like to have, and you're running programs off of the HDD, you may want a normal 7200 rpm model as even the high-density 5400 rpm models are somewhat slower. Of course, the difference between SSD and 7200 rpm HDD is going to be larger than 7200 rpm HDD to 5400 rpm HDD. edit: or you'd just get an SSD large enough for all that stuff, but that's expensive | ||
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XenOmega
Canada2822 Posts
Found Acer V233H Ajbd 23IN at 139.99$ at NCIX. Any cheaper? Friend is looking for a monitor for general use + watching movies Robert | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
http://www.inet.se/kundvagn/visa/672657/2011-07-29 It's a premade (not assembled) package but it ends up cheaper than if you pick the parts yourself. They don't have extra cpu cooler so that would probably need to be added. Is there component that sticks out? (in a bad way). | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
So if you want the Fractal Design Define R3, I think it's a decent deal. If not, you can just buy individually and make off better, unless my calculations were off. | ||
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
Edit: Yeah it was about 230 kr difference in price if you added the exact same components, so not that much. I'd be better off picking myself. Thanks for the assistance, I must have added some an component wrong the first time, thought it was a better deal.  Man, not buying a computer for a few years make you feel pretty clueless... | ||
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Fiel
United States587 Posts
Imagine for a moment if in your system you had the following setup: SSD by itself HDD in RAID 1 Array HDD in RAID 1 Array With the above configuration, your AHCI controller would have to be set to RAID in order to build the initial RAID 1 array as in the example. However, because the controller is set to RAID, it won't send any TRIM commands because TRIM doesn't work in RAID. So, having a RAID array in the same computer as an SSD will cause TRIM to stop working. However, with Intel's Storage Controller, the above situation will work and allow the SSD to function in a "RAID pass-through" configuration by using a special driver in the OS so the TRIM command can be passed through the Intel Storage Controller to the SSD to allow it to function properly. However, if the SSD is part of a RAID array in any way, shape, or form the TRIM command will not be passed to it because TRIM doesn't work with a RAID array. Source: http://techreport.com/discussions.x/18653 | ||
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