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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
yiran
Profile Joined July 2011
3 Posts
July 31 2011 15:50 GMT
#8941
I want to build a computer and any help/advice would be greatly appreciated. Not very experienced but did some research and came up with a list.

What is your budget?

No set budget, but I would like to keep it under $1000, but willing to go over if it is worth it. It is more about getting value for money

What is your resolution?

I would like to play on relatively good resolution, looking at 1920x1200 (but that can change). I also want to make sure this PC lasts a while so the GPU will be good for new games that come out.

What are you using it for?

Mainly gaming.

What is your upgrade cycle?

Likely relatively long, usually 2+ years (even 3-4)

When do you plan on building it?

ASAP

Do you plan on overclocking?

No (unless I should – please let me know)

Do you need an Operating System?

I do – where should I get one, just local store?

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?

No (unless I should – please let me know)

Where are you buying your parts from?

I live in downtown Manhattan and should be buying mainly from http://newegg.com.

I did some research and asked friends who had some experience and came up with this list. Please make any modifications/suggestions.

CPU –Intel Core i5-2400 Sandy Bridge 3.1GHz (3.4GHz Turbo Boost) 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I52400
(I heard it’s a decent CPU for its price and works fine)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115074

Motherboard –MSI P67A-G43 (B3) LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard (x 16)
(Just the motherboard that goes with the CPU)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130583

Ram –Kingston HyperX Blu 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model KHX1600C9AD3B1K2/4G
(Just a cheap 4GB of ram)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104221

GPU –SAPPHIRE 100315L Radeon HD 6850 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card with Eyefinity
(Friend told me this is a good GPU for its price and performance)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102908

PSU - Antec EarthWatts EA-500D Green 500W ATX12V v2.3 / EPS12V 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply
(Just chose a 500W power supply)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371035

Case –Antec One Hundred Black ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
(Don’t care about looks, just chose one with 2 fans for better heat sink)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129098

SSD - OCZ Vertex 2 OCZSSD2-2VTX40G 2.5" 40GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
(A SSD for the OS)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227610

HDD - SAMSUNG Spinpoint F4EG HD155UI 1.5TB 5400 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
(Normal hard-drive)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152287

Monitor - Acer V243HAJbd Black 24" 2ms(GTG) Widescreen LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 ACM 80000:1(1000:1)
(Wanted a relatively large one and just chose 24” and a well recommended one)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009245

CD - SONY Black 18X DVD-ROM 48X CD-ROM SATA DVD-ROM Drive Model DDU1681S-0B – OEM
(Chose any cheap cd/dvd rom)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827118031

Speakers - SpecResearch YT-630 2.0 Speakers
(Chose any cheap speakers)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16836170003

OS – TBD
(Plan to get one from any store/online with the best price)

Mouse – TBD
(Thinking of getting a razor one, friend said I should go to store to test it myself as it is about comfort/performance)

Keyboard – TBD
(Thinking of getting a razor one, friend said I should go to store to test it myself as it is about comfort/performance)

Thanks in advance for the help! Please let me know what changes/addtions/subtractions etc to make!
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-31 16:13:36
July 31 2011 16:06 GMT
#8942
$32 for memory isn't cheap. You're paying a premium for heatspreaders and 1600MHz even though both of these offer negligible performances. Just get standard 1333MHz memory: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231253

The Samsung Spinpoint F4 is a 5400 RPM HDD which isn't meant to be used as an application HDD unless you don't care about load speed of the applications. An 40GB SSD isn't much to work with. That's just enough for Windows and Starcraft II. I suggest you either get a bigger SSD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147062 or get a Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185

You don't need a P67 motherboard if you won't be overclocking. Any H61 or H67 motherboard such as the Asrock H61M U3S3 will do fine: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157236

The 500w variant of the Earthwatts isn't necessary. You will still have plenty of room to spare with the 430w variant: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371034 or you can get the XFX Core Edition 450 which is the same price as the 500w variant but comes with a mail in rebate making it less expensive. It's of higher quality and provides slightly less power: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207012

The operating system can be had from your school (if you attend one that is) for a discounted price or for free. If you can't get it through educational purposes than you may have to purchase one for around $100.

If you want to drive to Microcenter, you can pick up the core i5 2400 for $150: http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0354590
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
July 31 2011 16:16 GMT
#8943
Combo the i5-2400 with an optical drive to save a little money:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.679474

You can get the Samsung 470 with free Norton Ghost for the same price. I likewise recommend going up to 64GB. The Samsung 470 has better performance and probably better reliability too:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147124

Cheaper motherboards only come with 2 free SATA cables. You need a SATA cable for each the SSD, HDD, and optical drive, so if you need another, here's one:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812123169

Apparently the Antec Neo Eco 400C is going on Shell Shocker later today, down to $30, so that'd be a good option too. (check the front page)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371029

For gaming, on a longer upgrade cycle, I think upgrading to a HD 6870 makes sense, at $175, $155 AMIR.:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102948

The HD 6850 is okay though. It's not a huge difference, but I think it's worth $15 extra:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/290?vs=291

Note that the idle/noise levels above are referring to the reference design card. Both Sapphire models are not reference and are quieter than the reference HD 6870.
yiran
Profile Joined July 2011
3 Posts
July 31 2011 18:07 GMT
#8944
Thanks a lot guys, I will make the changes! Really appreciate your help.
supaplex
Profile Joined July 2011
United States75 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-31 20:26:19
July 31 2011 20:25 GMT
#8945
Hi guys, i just sold my pc and need another one asap. Budget is around 500-550. I found some attractive deal here, how good/bad do you think this is? Am i better off buying my own parts (like i5 2500k instead of 2300 if its within the budget)?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883113171&nm_mc=OTC-Froogle&cm_mmc=OTC-Froogle-_-Desktop PC-_-Gateway-_-83113171
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
July 31 2011 20:29 GMT
#8946
You're better building yourself. The core i5 2500k is not within your budget, especially not if you need an operating system.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
July 31 2011 20:33 GMT
#8947
It has no dedicated graphics card (using integrated HD Graphics 2000--good luck playing modern games smoothly, even on low settings) and uses a slow hard drive. The i5-2300 is pretty fast and that's about it.

What's the computer going to be used for? Can you get Windows elsewhere, or are you going to have to pay ~$100 for that?
supaplex
Profile Joined July 2011
United States75 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-31 20:42:52
July 31 2011 20:37 GMT
#8948
Sandy bridge build in a176 thread is 500$ for i3. I will have to add a gpu as you guys know, but it seems pretty monstrous otherwise. besides relatively slow hdd what other flaws does this have? What gpu can u recommend max for this PSU? and win 7 is no problem, i have one.

wait it does come with win7 -_-

How slow is variable rpm anyways and can i build something similar for 550$?
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-31 21:25:13
July 31 2011 20:53 GMT
#8949
Well, sometimes the difference is blown out of proportion, but it exists. See here (it's not going to be faster than the WD Caviar Green 2TB):
http://techreport.com/articles.x/19871/1


Core i5-2400 and Lite-On CD / DVD-RW - $205
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.679474

EVGA GTS 450 - $110, $90 AMIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130573

edit: or if you buy today
+ Show Spoiler [alternate GTS 450] +
Zotac GTS 450 - $100 today, $70 AMIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500187

AsRock H61M-VS - $60
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157241

G.Skill 2 x 4GB DDR3 RAM - $45
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231311

Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB - $40 (or spend like $60 on 1 TB drive)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136769

Antec Earthwatts Green 380D - $40
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371033

+ Show Spoiler [or this one, if you buy today] +
Antec Neo Eco (Shellshocker deal) - will be $30 I think
http://www.newegg.com/Special/ShellShocker.aspx?cm_sp=ShellShocker-_-17-371-029-_-07312011_3


NZXT Source 210 (or however much you feel like spending here) - $40
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811146075


Going with an i3-2100 may be better if your whole budget was $550, or did you want to add a video card above that amount?
supaplex
Profile Joined July 2011
United States75 Posts
July 31 2011 21:15 GMT
#8950
So everything youve listed is roughly around 520. thats great! Is 2500k build approx. 50$ more expensive with p67? Another question if i add that fermi to the pc i posted above will the psu handle it?

Budget is around 550 but i can obviously skip on a few beers if it gets me something i can be proud of
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
July 31 2011 21:25 GMT
#8951
i5-2500k build is more like $90 more including a P67/Z68 motherboard and better CPU cooler if you want to overclock significantly.

The Gateway's power supply probably will not be able to handle the GTS 450. Or at least, you wouldn't want to try.
CharlieBrownsc
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada598 Posts
July 31 2011 21:35 GMT
#8952
On August 01 2011 05:53 Myrmidon wrote:

EVGA GTS 450 - $110, $90 AMIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130573


Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't a radeon 6750 be a better GPU for the same price?
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Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
July 31 2011 21:48 GMT
#8953
On August 01 2011 06:35 gdot5 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2011 05:53 Myrmidon wrote:

EVGA GTS 450 - $110, $90 AMIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130573


Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't a radeon 6750 be a better GPU for the same price?


Radeon HD 6750 is same as a HD 5750, which is slightly worse than a GTS 450 (all at stock speeds). However, the HD 5750 power consumption is definitely lower, like 35% lower on load. They're about the same while idling.
supaplex
Profile Joined July 2011
United States75 Posts
July 31 2011 21:48 GMT
#8954
Sir Myrmidon. I hate to bother you as a new user but can you or someone just as knowledgeable provide me with that 2500k build? I have no idea how to pick a proper cooler/gpu thats best bang for a buck etc. I will probably just order today.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
July 31 2011 21:48 GMT
#8955
On August 01 2011 06:35 gdot5 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2011 05:53 Myrmidon wrote:

EVGA GTS 450 - $110, $90 AMIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130573


Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't a radeon 6750 be a better GPU for the same price?


The 6750 is just a rebranded 5750 which is worse than a 5770. The latter of which is on par with the GTS 450.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
July 31 2011 22:00 GMT
#8956
On August 01 2011 06:48 supaplex wrote:
Sir Myrmidon. I hate to bother you as a new user but can you or someone just as knowledgeable provide me with that 2500k build? I have no idea how to pick a proper cooler/gpu thats best bang for a buck etc. I will probably just order today.


$550 is not enough for a 2500k configuration. A core i5 2500k, P67, and heatsink already adds up to $360.
supaplex
Profile Joined July 2011
United States75 Posts
July 31 2011 22:03 GMT
#8957
620?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-31 22:15:16
July 31 2011 22:14 GMT
#8958
I'm afraid $620 is still too low for a reasonable 2500k configuration.

This comes to $531 without a graphics card:

Intel Core i5 2500k & PC Power & Cooling Silencer MK II 500 @ $265 ($245 after mail in rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.691415

Asrock P67 Pro3 @ $110
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157230

GSkill 2x2GB 1333MHz @ $27
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231253

Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB @ $40
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136769

Thermaltake V3 @ $40
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811133094

DVD Burner @ $19
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136216

Xigmatek Gaia @ $30
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233082


So you either spend the remaining $89 on a low-end graphics card such as a Radeon HD5670 which is good enough for low settings on high resolutions or high settings on low resolutions or you can remove the Xigmatek Gaia heatsink which gives you $119 to spend on a mediocre graphics card such as the Radeon HD5770 or GTS 450 which is good enough for medium-high settings at 1080p depending on the game.

Of course, there are other things you could do such as run case-less, don't get a DVD burner, or get a 250GB instead for $5 less.
supaplex
Profile Joined July 2011
United States75 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-31 22:28:38
July 31 2011 22:27 GMT
#8959
supaplex
Profile Joined July 2011
United States75 Posts
July 31 2011 22:27 GMT
#8960
thanks good point. So if I like myrmidons build for 2400 does it make sense to get p67 or even h67 instead of h61?
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