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On February 03 2013 05:34 Myrmidon wrote:
The Bestec you linked is a ATX-size PSU, looks like the standard 140mm depth as well—retail ATX power supplies are the same height and width to fit the same screw holes, but they are often deeper to allow for more electronics and/or a modular connector board. Neo Eco (Seasonic S12II) is that size and is still only 140mm deep into the case.
In theory something could match the screw holes but interfere on the inside because of extra depth, say with an optical drive, on a lot of OEM desktop layouts.
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Pic uploaded is the space between the PSU and the MOBO. Still think the 520W will fit? I can always try and return it, but just wondering.
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The thing you linked should be the same size as the Neo Eco, so if you linked the right thing, then it fits. The concern would be cramming all the extra cables and extra length of cables somewhere (hopefully tied down with zip ties) so they're not blocking all the air, particularly with a gaming graphics card in there.
Why not upload a photo more clearly showing the whole system, or just measure the current PSU dimensions?
Actually, the first concern would be cleaning all that dust out of the CPU heatsink and fans, if that's a picture of your system.
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On February 03 2013 06:00 Myrmidon wrote:
The thing you linked should be the same size as the Neo Eco, so if you linked the right thing, then it fits. The concern would be cramming all the extra cables and extra length of cables somewhere (hopefully tied down with zip ties) so they're not blocking all the air, particularly with a gaming graphics card in there.
Why not upload a photo more clearly showing the whole system, or just measure the current PSU dimensions?
Actually, the first concern would be cleaning all that dust out of the CPU heatsink and fans, if that's a picture of your system.
Haha, lol, I do have to clean it, since that is my current system.
Anyways, I did measure it, and it was the stated dimensions (5.9 x 5.5 x 3.4). It's just the order of the dimensions that's throwing me off.
EDIT: As for the GPU, would the HD7850 be bottlenecked by the i5 in most games, or are they equally powerful enough that I wouldn't need to downgrade the GPU? Because I'm thinking I could just get the 7770 or ~$120 GPU to save extra money.
I don't mind not being able to play max graphics on certain games (Witcher 2, Metro 2033) so if the 7770 can play it just fine at medium-high, then I'm alright with that. Games I'll be playing the most are SC2 and LoL anyways, so I don't feel that the 7850 is justified for one or two games (well, I might be getting Crysis 3, and Bioshock Infinite + Tomb Raider are included too, but other than those games, and SC2, LoL, Skyrim, Witcher 2), the 7770 would be good enough?
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i5-2500 should destroy most games, just not SC2 and not Skyrim to some extent, with a few more examples.
It used to be that 7770 didn't make sense because its price was too high, but it's creeped down low enough past the 7850 that it's okay. Because primary games are SC2 and LoL, I'd go with the 7770. You can always upgrade graphics cards later with little effort.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202011
That is, unless you're interested at all in the games bundled with the 7850 or think you can sell them to recoup some of the price difference.
Actually, something like 7770 would likely run on the old power supply, but I'd rather not, considering it's a 300W OEM Bestec unit seemingly filled with dust, in a cheapish system.
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On February 03 2013 06:27 Myrmidon wrote:i5-2500 should destroy most games, just not SC2 and not Skyrim to some extent, with a few more examples. It used to be that 7770 didn't make sense because its price was too high, but it's creeped down low enough past the 7850 that it's okay. Because primary games are SC2 and LoL, I'd go with the 7770. You can always upgrade graphics cards later with little effort. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202011That is, unless you're interested at all in the games bundled with the 7850 or think you can sell them to recoup some of the price difference. Actually, something like 7770 would likely run on the old power supply, but I'd rather not, considering it's a 300W OEM Bestec unit seemingly filled with dust, in a cheapish system.
Oh, I'll just go with the 7850 anyways. The two free games I'm slightly interested in and since the 7850 went down to $155 w/ rebate, and it was the Sapphire OC'd version, seemed like it was worth the extra ~$30. I plan on playing Planetside 2/Crysis 3/other upcoming GPU intensive games so I figured I might as well get the best GPU I can. I'll be saving a lot considering I decided to upgrade rather than buy a whole new PC.
Order sent it, just gotta wait for the parts and then I'll physically build it. BTW, any guides for that? My uncle usually puts the parts together for me but he's been busy recently so I might only be able to get the ground-wrist thing from him and do the actual assembling myself.
Thanks for the help! I can't wait to play on it!
OH! And Heart of the Swarm was $10 off on Newegg so I grabbed that too. I'll have to wait a couple days for it to shipped, but I don't mind.
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On February 03 2013 01:02 Ata wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2013 00:13 Eskiya23 wrote:Hi guys, recently my nVidia gts8800 broke. It would barely run Sc2, lags on 200/200 supply battles . I got quite tired, and the system is 5 years old so I made a shopping list. Any comments/tips/advice is welcome. + Show Spoiler +MSI R7950 Twin Frozr 3GD5 V2
Retail, DVI, HDMI, 2x Mini-DP, CrossFireX
Crucial CT128M4SSD2
SATA 600, RealSSD M4, TRIM, ECC
GIGABYTE GA-Z77P-D3 (rev. 1.1)
RAID, Gb-LAN, Sound, ATX
Intel® Core™ i7-3770K
Boxed, FC-LGA4, "Ivy Bridge"
Kingston HyperX 8 GB DDR3-1600 Kit
KHX1600C9D3K2/8G, Genesis
What is your goal? (as in what are you using the system for) cause some of those items could potentially be useless.
My goal is to play Starcraft and other games at high resolutions, being able to stream 1080p, processing and uploading videos to youtube. I also just wanted a system that would last me in the long run, dont want to upgrade constantly  As a whole how would you rate it, and what could possibly be changed? (e.g. better parts, more price/value)
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I'm getting close to finishing building my new computer but encountered a problem connecting the GPU power cables.
This is my GPU: Sapphire Vapor-X 7950 3GB OC with Boost
This is my PSU: Super Flower Golden Green 430W
The GPU has 2x8pin slots and came with 2x power cables that look like this + Show Spoiler +
PSU has 1x6+2 pin connector and 1x6 pin connector along with 3x of this + Show Spoiler +
Can I connect the GPU 8pin slot number 1 with one 1x6+2pin connector of the PSU and 8pin slot number 2 with one of the power cables that came with the GPU to the 2 Molex (?) of the PSU? I can't use both GPU cables because the PSU only has 3 female Molex connectors.
Or is there some way for me to connect the GPU to the PSU?
Help is much appreciated!
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On February 03 2013 15:37 Avaroth wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I'm getting close to finishing building my new computer but encountered a problem connecting the GPU power cables. This is my GPU: Sapphire Vapor-X 7950 3GB OC with BoostThis is my PSU: Super Flower Golden Green 430WThe GPU has 2x8pin slots and came with 2x power cables that look like this + Show Spoiler +PSU has 1x6+2 pin connector and 1x6 pin connector along with 3x of this + Show Spoiler +Can I connect the GPU 8pin slot number 1 with one 1x6+2pin connector of the PSU and 8pin slot number 2 with one of the power cables that came with the GPU to the 2 Molex (?) of the PSU? I can't use both GPU cables because the PSU only has 3 female Molex connectors. Or is there some way for me to connect the GPU to the PSU? Help is much appreciated!
Yes you can do that.
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On February 03 2013 09:27 Eskiya23 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2013 01:02 Ata wrote:On February 03 2013 00:13 Eskiya23 wrote:Hi guys, recently my nVidia gts8800 broke. It would barely run Sc2, lags on 200/200 supply battles . I got quite tired, and the system is 5 years old so I made a shopping list. Any comments/tips/advice is welcome. + Show Spoiler +MSI R7950 Twin Frozr 3GD5 V2
Retail, DVI, HDMI, 2x Mini-DP, CrossFireX
Crucial CT128M4SSD2
SATA 600, RealSSD M4, TRIM, ECC
GIGABYTE GA-Z77P-D3 (rev. 1.1)
RAID, Gb-LAN, Sound, ATX
Intel® Core™ i7-3770K
Boxed, FC-LGA4, "Ivy Bridge"
Kingston HyperX 8 GB DDR3-1600 Kit
KHX1600C9D3K2/8G, Genesis
What is your goal? (as in what are you using the system for) cause some of those items could potentially be useless. My goal is to play Starcraft and other games at high resolutions, being able to stream 1080p, processing and uploading videos to youtube. I also just wanted a system that would last me in the long run, dont want to upgrade constantly As a whole how would you rate it, and what could possibly be changed? (e.g. better parts, more price/value)
Which other games? Are you going to overclock your cpu (missing heatsink if so, wasting a lot of money if you're not)? A 3770 doesn't really have a noticeable advantage over the 3570 for streaming or gaming, but for encoding videos it's going to be better. If you're not overclocking you may as well get the 8 threaded xeon for a similar price to the 3570k.
Which other games are you talking about? First person AAA titles, or other things like mobas etc.
We can't give good advice without knowing all this info.
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On February 03 2013 16:06 Rollin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2013 09:27 Eskiya23 wrote:On February 03 2013 01:02 Ata wrote:On February 03 2013 00:13 Eskiya23 wrote:Hi guys, recently my nVidia gts8800 broke. It would barely run Sc2, lags on 200/200 supply battles . I got quite tired, and the system is 5 years old so I made a shopping list. Any comments/tips/advice is welcome. + Show Spoiler +MSI R7950 Twin Frozr 3GD5 V2
Retail, DVI, HDMI, 2x Mini-DP, CrossFireX
Crucial CT128M4SSD2
SATA 600, RealSSD M4, TRIM, ECC
GIGABYTE GA-Z77P-D3 (rev. 1.1)
RAID, Gb-LAN, Sound, ATX
Intel® Core™ i7-3770K
Boxed, FC-LGA4, "Ivy Bridge"
Kingston HyperX 8 GB DDR3-1600 Kit
KHX1600C9D3K2/8G, Genesis
What is your goal? (as in what are you using the system for) cause some of those items could potentially be useless. My goal is to play Starcraft and other games at high resolutions, being able to stream 1080p, processing and uploading videos to youtube. I also just wanted a system that would last me in the long run, dont want to upgrade constantly As a whole how would you rate it, and what could possibly be changed? (e.g. better parts, more price/value) Which other games? Are you going to overclock your cpu (missing heatsink if so, wasting a lot of money if you're not)? A 3770 doesn't really have a noticeable advantage over the 3570 for streaming or gaming, but for encoding videos it's going to be better. If you're not overclocking you may as well get the 8 threaded xeon for a similar price to the 3570k. Which other games are you talking about? First person AAA titles, or other things like mobas etc. We can't give good advice without knowing all this info.
I have the heatsink for the CPU, and my case has like fans everywhere. My gaming experience is quite limitied to Sc2 and Dota2; but I kinda geared this pc with future developements in mind (e.g. GTA V, Company of Heroes 2, Bad Company 2) Thanks for your advice !
Is it by any chance good to get a capture card if I'm proccesing videos/streaming?
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What heatsink/cooler do you have? It's by far the most important variable for CPU temps, case fans will help you out but not really define cooling performance. If you are not bothered that much by maxing out overclocking, it's not really a big deal, but its relevant
Capture cards dont really help out very much any more, especially with single PC setups. People used to use them with Xsplit, but xsplit performance got a lot better and we have OBS now which is free and gives better still game performance for most people it seems. Even Destiny i hear chooses to use software now rather than the Live Gamer HD that he already owned
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Regarding overclocking a GPU, are some companies better than others? Meaning am I more likely to get a better possible overclock with a card from one brand versus another or are they all about the same?
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On February 04 2013 07:02 Craton wrote:
Regarding overclocking a GPU, are some companies better than others? Meaning am I more likely to get a better possible overclock with a card from one brand versus another or are they all about the same?
I would say make sure the card is voltage unlocked and the cooling system has good reviews. Personally I find noise level of the manufacturers' fans for a particular model to be very important since overclocking generates so much heat.
So there are differences in specifications that ultimately matter in the overclock ability of gpus depending on the brands.
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They're all getting GPU chips from TSMC, as designed by AMD or Nvidia.
Internally a company like Asus or Sapphire might sort the samples they get in terms of quality (in some sense, so this may be related but not completely correlated with overclocking ability) and use the physically (electrically) superior chips in their higher-end graphics card models for a given GPU. That way they're more likely to hold the factory OC stable and be able to push higher maybe.
So the more-expensive factory-OC cards and particularly the highest-end models like Asus TOP, MSI Lightning, etc. may be carrying somewhat-better GPU chips for overclocking, on average. A lot of it should still be luck of the draw.
As mentioned above, check what the card is capable of in terms of voltage control, too. VRM quality is also a factor on a higher-end overclock; for sure the reference boards can't handle as much power and not as stably as the high-end cards. And plenty of models are cheaper than reference. Note that excessive voltage even with spectacular cooling is still bad for the chip.
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Is there any particular one of the 7970s on Newegg that you'd recommend for OCing, then? Assume I'll be WCing it.
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Probably a Lightning or ROG for their custom PCBs.
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Just keep in mind that if you get a video card like a Lightning with a custom PCB, you need a waterblock that fits that particular layout. However, this isn't much of an issue because of course EK or whoever else making those things should have you covered with a waterblock for each of the popular high-end video card models.
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If you're wanting to submerge an AMD card, Medrea would probably be a decent bet for info regarding binning since he's a miner.
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On February 04 2013 06:51 Cyro wrote:
What heatsink/cooler do you have? It's by far the most important variable for CPU temps, case fans will help you out but not really define cooling performance. If you are not bothered that much by maxing out overclocking, it's not really a big deal, but its relevant
Capture cards dont really help out very much any more, especially with single PC setups. People used to use them with Xsplit, but xsplit performance got a lot better and we have OBS now which is free and gives better still game performance for most people it seems. Even Destiny i hear chooses to use software now rather than the Live Gamer HD that he already owned
Thank you for your specific advice ! I have the heatsink provided with the cpu with cooler paste, I wont be overclocking to a degree that it burns my cpu
I will look into OBS, a lot of streamers are content with the program and its quality. (free) xsplit gives me quite bad sound and framerate (which are capped because its free -_-) Currently I am learning video editing, so I can crank out some content once I get the PC
Thank you guys for your time, all this help is really nice :D
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