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Gumbi
Ireland463 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20342 Posts
Are those Acer able to upgraded to the point of playing Rome 2? There's no point when you can build a system that is equivelant in every way but better by many orders of magnitude in many ways for less money. Gtx680 outperforms the 630 by a factor of like 6-10 and is probably within budget even. i7 adds nothing over i5 for gaming while costing a chunk of money and the PSU+Motherboard are pretty much guaranteed to be low tier (because nobody buying prebuilts has any idea what is good or bad in those regards, most will only google a couple of components (cpu/gpu) if anything) etcetc. By upgrading you are talking about adding the cost of a strong GPU and also replacing the PSU to the 1.1k the system costs - you can make a system with a good motherboard, solid PSU, best gaming CPU, however much RAM you want, a HDD, low-mid capacity good SSD etc for like half of that 1.1k | ||
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iTzSnypah
United States1738 Posts
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Cattlecruiser
United States340 Posts
On February 06 2013 21:33 Cyro wrote: There's no point when you can build a system that is equivelant in every way but better by many orders of magnitude in many ways for less money. Gtx680 outperforms the 630 by a factor of like 6-10 and is probably within budget even. i7 adds nothing over i5 for gaming while costing a chunk of money and the PSU+Motherboard are pretty much guaranteed to be low tier (because nobody buying prebuilts has any idea what is good or bad in those regards, most will only google a couple of components (cpu/gpu) if anything) etcetc. By upgrading you are talking about adding the cost of a strong GPU and also replacing the PSU to the 1.1k the system costs - you can make a system with a good motherboard, solid PSU, best gaming CPU, however much RAM you want, a HDD, low-mid capacity good SSD etc for like half of that 1.1k O.O I didn't know the huge price difference. Is $1200 a reasonable budget for a i5 processor, 2+ GB GPU(Not sure what is appropriate for Rome 2), and similar tiered motherboard+PSU+rest of the necessary parts starting from scratch? I am praying that I can start on this project within the next month when my spring break beings. I am just trying to see how much ramen, plasma donations, and extra hours I need to fit in before that time. Budget: ~$750-1200 Resolution: I do not have a monitor that would be appropriate for a new rig monitor budget ~100-200 Usage: Starcraft 2, upcoming Rome 2 Total War, maybe start up MOBA like Dota 2, Shogun 2, and Fifa 13. Upgrade Cycle: 2-3 years, hopefully 5 years? Build time: 1 month later Overclocking: No OS: Yes, Windows preferred. Extra parts: only if necessary for Rome 2 (huge army size:low-med graphics) Buying Parts: American websites like Amazon, newegg, and near by computer parts stores like Best buy and local one. EDIT: If there is room in my budget to make room for the possibility of overclocking and extra parts like second graphics card I would like to | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20342 Posts
A lot of prebuilts are kind of a little bit decent, but those ones are not. You should be able to get something like an i5 3570+motherboard+RAM, gtx660ti/7950/whatevergraphicscard, ssd, hdd, good psu/case etc without a problem Overclocking's a good option (R1CH benchmarked a 1v1 lategame zvz replay at 27fps minimum @3.3ghz 2500k, 39fps minimum @4.4ghz, you can get pretty similar results relatively easily) but dual-GPU is generally a pretty bad option because of the issues associated with them, most notably constant unavoidable microstuttering that can make playing the game at 85fps feel a lot less smooth and pleasant than playing it at 50 (though this is invisible in standard benchmarks), basically your best bet unless you have some really obscene budget (and even then, there is little to gain) is just an overclocked 3570k and the strongest single GPU that you can afford, which IIRC is the gtx680 right now, though there's a lot of cheaper or higher performance per $ GPU's out there that can max anything at decent framerates if you dont want to min-and-max performance. If i had a budget of like 1.5k, i would go single GPU. 2.5k, still probably single GPU (though i dont know what i would spend a lot of that money on), because after having played with an SLI system and getting to see some benchmarks like this: ![[image loading]](http://techreport.com/r.x/inside-the-second/bc2-gtx580.gif) ![[image loading]](http://techreport.com/r.x/inside-the-second/bc2-gtx590.gif) It just doesnt seem like you can have significantly better and consistent performance with multi-GPU, its not worth the sacrifices. The Geforce Titan looks really interesting though. Maybe im being a little too obsessive with sticking to single GPU, but its hard to argue for it unless you throw performance out of the window, because performance means consistency, not just high averages | ||
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Mithriel
Netherlands2969 Posts
1 x ASUS P8Z77-V LK € 124,90* 1 x Intel® Core™ i5-3570K € 202,90* 1 x MSI N660Ti PE 2GD5/OC € 274,-* 1 x Samsung MZ-7PD128BW € 129,90* 128GB SSD drive 1 x Corsair HX650 € 117,90* 1 x Antec Performance One P-280 € 124,90* 1 x Corsair 8 GB DDR3-1600 Kit € 46,99* I have a couple of questions regarding this build: - Is there a lot of differences between SSDs? I see different write/read speeds all the time, i picked one with high write/read. - Is the PSU of 650watt enough for this build? Or should i get a more powerful one? - How is the I5 3570K with the stock cooler? (noise/temp) Are there any suggestions for a good quiet cooler? Thanks in advance. | ||
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Gumbi
Ireland463 Posts
The k suffix on the 3570k CPU means it is overclockable - which means there is little need to use the stock cooler at all (it won't provide enough cooling to overclock it any worthwile amount). Buy a budget cooler for around 30 euro. (Coolermaster hyper 212 maybe). Where are you buying these parts? Some of them are a bit expensive. Buy from Hardwareversand. | ||
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Mithriel
Netherlands2969 Posts
On February 07 2013 02:36 Gumbi wrote: Get a Super-Flower Amazon 450 watt for around 45 euro - that's plenty enough power for the build. The k suffix on the 3570k CPU means it is overclockable - which means there is little need to use the stock cooler at all (it won't provide enough cooling to overclock it any worthwile amount). Buy a budget cooler for around 30 euro. (Coolermaster hyper 212 maybe). Where are you buying these parts? Some of them are a bit expensive. Buy from Hardwareversand. I'll check into a cooler, thanks. Purchasing these in the Netherlands, at alternate most likely. Will check some websites to see which one is cheapest. Thanks | ||
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MisterFred
United States2033 Posts
On February 06 2013 20:54 Cattlecruiser wrote: Thank you very much. I think I'll post around my spring vacation to possibly get started. How much does peripherals generally cost and are they difficult to install? Are those Acer able to upgraded to the point of playing Rome 2? CA as always allowed some room for modification throughout their titles. Many forums like twcenter.net have multiple modifications with technical support and development teams. From what I've heard the coding is more difficult than Rome and complete modifications aren't available. DarthMod is the best for the recent titles: Shogun 2, Empire I still go back and play Mods for Rome like Europa Barborium and Medieval 2 like Broken Crescent. Peripherals are things like mouse, keyboard, speakers, or monitor. A good gaming mouse will run you $50 or so. You can go cheaper, but I love my Mionix Naos 3200, so I don't generally recommend cheaper gaming mice. Keyboard - a basic one will run you like $7. Speakers: cheapos will be about $20, good ones about $100. Same for headphones. Monitor: a cheapo monitor is going to be about $100. A good one will be about $220. They are not difficult to install. Unless you consider plugging in a USB cord and using a mouse driver difficult. As others have said (including me earlier), zero point to looking at those crappy Acers. Lastly, I know CA allows some modification. But there's a big difference between the freedom allowed for Europa Barbarorum (one of the best games of all time & educational too) or the hilarious Lord of the Rings mod for Medieval 2: Total War and the limited & restricted mod capabilities of Empire: Total War. I actually didn't buy Empire: Total War just because modders couldn't come out with the big, impressive changes like in earlier titles. | ||
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Cattlecruiser
United States340 Posts
On February 07 2013 03:26 MisterFred wrote: Peripherals are things like mouse, keyboard, speakers, or monitor. A good gaming mouse will run you $50 or so. You can go cheaper, but I love my Mionix Naos 3200, so I don't generally recommend cheaper gaming mice. Keyboard - a basic one will run you like $7. Speakers: cheapos will be about $20, good ones about $100. Same for headphones. Monitor: a cheapo monitor is going to be about $100. A good one will be about $220. They are not difficult to install. Unless you consider plugging in a USB cord and using a mouse driver difficult. As others have said (including me earlier), zero point to looking at those crappy Acers. Lastly, I know CA allows some modification. But there's a big difference between the freedom allowed for Europa Barbarorum (one of the best games of all time & educational too) or the hilarious Lord of the Rings mod for Medieval 2: Total War and the limited & restricted mod capabilities of Empire: Total War. I actually didn't buy Empire: Total War just because modders couldn't come out with the big, impressive changes like in earlier titles. I misunderstood the meaning of peripherals. I have all the necessary ones, but keyboard and mouse. Picked out these. Keyboard: http://www.amazon.com/Storm-QuickFire-Rapid-Mechanical-SGK-4000-GKCL1-US/dp/B0068INSUM/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pdT1_nS_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=35N3SY93YG2JV&coliid=I2BTZTZ9R0DTQV&psc=1 Mouse: http://www.amazon.com/Cobra-E-3lue-Precision-Control-1600dpi/dp/B005CPGHAA/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pdT1_nS_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=35N3SY93YG2JV&coliid=I1BB1JMXU354K6 I was referring to the parts for the rig outside of my current knowledge. As far as I understand I need a case, processor, graphics card, OS,... and cooling system and power supply? any software outside of the OS? I've read the OP, but don't quite have a good grip on what is necessary and economic. I think I will be going with the i5 processor and gtx 660, but still don't have a good sense on any of the other parts... Are these parts around the price range I'll be looking at? i5: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115233 gtx 660: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130826 I've given up on the acer predators. I bought Empire purely for the sea battles, then Shogun 2 because I was naive.  Darth mod in Empire is actually pretty engaging, DarthVader comes out with the best gameplay patches. Both Empire and Shogun 2 were kind of hurried and came out very sloppily. However, Rome 2 Total War seems to combine the varied cities of LOTR mod and as always they are smoothing out the battles. They are finally putting in the "special" features of EB and diplomacy isn't complete hogwash anymore. The recent releases of Total War have been pretty shit, but they have increased the budget to be bigger than the combined budgets of all the prior releases combined. CA has been very supportive of the modding community also, holding many conferences and hiring from the community to make up for the last 2 horrible releases. Projects like EB2 are still alive with their modding team going at it full force. I'm going to have to dig up medieval when EB2 comes out. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
A configuration consists of: Motherboard (you'll want a B75 or H77 for a core i5) RAM (2x4gb DDR3 1600MHz, don't waste your money here as it provides negligible benefits) CPU (core i5 3570) GPU (GTX 660) HDD (or SSD for primary boot drive and HDD for storage) PSU (Rosewill Capstone 450) OS Case (whatever ATX case you want, Coolermaster HAF 912 / Fractal Design Define R4 / Corsair Carbide are some suggestions) You don't need additional cooling since you won't be overclocking. | ||
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MisterFred
United States2033 Posts
You really don't need to worry too much about what you're going to get until you're ready to buy. The people on this forum are really good at coming up with advice on what to get. | ||
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Craton
United States17301 Posts
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RiceAgainst
United States1849 Posts
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Rollin
Australia1552 Posts
On February 07 2013 15:24 RiceAgainst wrote: Thanks for the help with my upgrade! The 7850 and the new PSU work, and they're not so much louder than before. There were a lot of issues so my brother and I took about five hours getting everything together; sometimes the wrong connector was used, other times a different connector was preferred, and then when things finally started working, cable management actually got in the way. Overall, I'm satisfied and I'm glad I received all the help I did. Tomorrow will be the day of judgement though, because that's when I'll be "testing" the system. 5 hours? o___O | ||
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ikan
United States34 Posts
On February 07 2013 04:47 skyR wrote: Yes, those would be what you should be roughly looking at for a gaming configuration. A configuration consists of: Motherboard (you'll want a B75 or H77 for a core i5) RAM (2x4gb DDR3 1600MHz, don't waste your money here as it provides negligible benefits) CPU (core i5 3570) GPU (GTX 660) HDD (or SSD for primary boot drive and HDD for storage) PSU (Rosewill Capstone 450) OS Case (whatever ATX case you want, Coolermaster HAF 912 / Fractal Design Define R4 / Corsair Carbide are some suggestions) You don't need additional cooling since you won't be overclocking. This is almost (Z77 mobo) my exact build and i am very happy with it. | ||
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Torenhire
United States11681 Posts
Well he said he was having a lot of issues, and he actually used the words "cable management" and I'm very OCD about hiding cables...so 5 hours really isn't that unusual of a number when I look at it I probably spent more on my build haha. | ||
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Marradron
Netherlands1586 Posts
On February 07 2013 02:42 Mithriel wrote: I'll check into a cooler, thanks. Purchasing these in the Netherlands, at alternate most likely. Will check some websites to see which one is cheapest. Thanks In the netherlands you can also check azerty.nl. I bought my PC there 2 years ago. Picked all the components. If you dont feel confident in assembling it you can even pay for them to do it. | ||
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Shauni
4077 Posts
On February 08 2013 02:06 Torenhire wrote: Well he said he was having a lot of issues, and he actually used the words "cable management" and I'm very OCD about hiding cables...so 5 hours really isn't that unusual of a number when I look at it I probably spent more on my build haha. 5 hours isn't that much, especially when you have things like cpu and gpu coolers to mount. Those fuckers take a few hours each sometimes. | ||
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Rachnar
France1526 Posts
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