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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
November 27 2012 06:24 GMT
#25721
On November 27 2012 15:11 Sein wrote:
I'm building my parents a computer for Christmas. They only use the computer for web browsing and streaming videos online.

Would an i3 be sufficient? Should I get a separate GPU?

Anything modern except the Atom / Brazos level is overkill, assuming you're talking about receiving and playing back content, not broadcasting streams.

I'd probably go with cheap Trinity on FM2 though, to be honest, no dedicated GPU. AMD's integrated graphics at any price point are better, not just in performance but probably in supporting video features and the like (which I'm sure will go unused).

To be honest, this is the kind of build where a good deal on a prebuilt is often competitive in price or even cheaper, if you would need to purchase the OS for ~$100.
Belial88
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5217 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-27 06:57:19
November 27 2012 06:56 GMT
#25722
On November 27 2012 15:11 Sein wrote:
I'm building my parents a computer for Christmas. They only use the computer for web browsing and streaming videos online.

Would an i3 be sufficient? Should I get a separate GPU?


Go for an AMD APU set-up, it's a really good deal budget builds and lower end computers. An i3 is too much power for something like what your talking about, i3/i5/i7 is meant for enthusiasts, not for the average user (or for most gamers, even).

Or integrated graphics might even be enough. Pentium g630... maybe even celeron.

You could probably make the build for less than $200. Really depends on how much power you want. This is stuff that ipads and smart phones can do nowadays.
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Sein
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1811 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-27 10:03:25
November 27 2012 10:02 GMT
#25723
On November 27 2012 15:56 Belial88 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2012 15:11 Sein wrote:
I'm building my parents a computer for Christmas. They only use the computer for web browsing and streaming videos online.

Would an i3 be sufficient? Should I get a separate GPU?


Go for an AMD APU set-up, it's a really good deal budget builds and lower end computers. An i3 is too much power for something like what your talking about, i3/i5/i7 is meant for enthusiasts, not for the average user (or for most gamers, even).

Or integrated graphics might even be enough. Pentium g630... maybe even celeron.

You could probably make the build for less than $200. Really depends on how much power you want. This is stuff that ipads and smart phones can do nowadays.


Could you recommend an AMD cpu and decent motherboard that goes with it? Thank you. It would be nice if I can spend 150 or less for both.
Crocky
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-27 14:26:27
November 27 2012 14:25 GMT
#25724
Hey, can i get some feedback on a build? My first, just want a decent gaming pc and want to make sure there isn't something fundamentally wrong with it. I only started researching about building a computer yesterday, and i really dont know too much about it. Not going to be using it for anything super intensive just really starcraft and some other games.
I dont plan on overclocking.

Processer: Intel Core i5-2310 Sandy Bridge
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115089
Motherboard: ASUS P8H77-V LE LGA 1155 Intel H77
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131826
Graphics: ASUS HD7750-1GD5-V2 Radeon
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121633\
RAM: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148543
Power Supply: Thermaltake TR2 W0070RUC 430W ATX12V V2.2
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153023
Case: Corsair Carbide Series 300R Black Steel / Plastic ATX Mid Tower
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139011

I have a Hard drive and DVD burner selected but those are not too important so i wont include them.
Also, any recommendations for a ~20 inch monitor for ~100 dollars would be appreciated.

Thanks!
Bitches dont know about my additional pylons!
kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
November 27 2012 16:36 GMT
#25725
On November 27 2012 08:25 kollin wrote:
Hey, I was looking for a setup that could run Planetside 2 at a decent frame rate in large battles on low/medium settings. Really, I want to keep my price sub £600 (not including the monitor), but I'm not too bothered if it goes a bit over.
http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/advent-dt2111-desktop-pc-11875804-pdt.html
I found this, which looks decent, though I'm not sure about the graphics card :/ Anyone have some good suggestions?
EDIT: I'd really rather not build my own computer, by the way.


Just going to bump this up, because I still haven't received an answer ^^
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-27 19:29:26
November 27 2012 19:29 GMT
#25726
On November 27 2012 23:25 Crocky wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Hey, can i get some feedback on a build? My first, just want a decent gaming pc and want to make sure there isn't something fundamentally wrong with it. I only started researching about building a computer yesterday, and i really dont know too much about it. Not going to be using it for anything super intensive just really starcraft and some other games.
I dont plan on overclocking.

Processer: Intel Core i5-2310 Sandy Bridge
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115089
Motherboard: ASUS P8H77-V LE LGA 1155 Intel H77
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131826
Graphics: ASUS HD7750-1GD5-V2 Radeon
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121633
RAM: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148543
Power Supply: Thermaltake TR2 W0070RUC 430W ATX12V V2.2
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153023
Case: Corsair Carbide Series 300R Black Steel / Plastic ATX Mid Tower
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139011

I have a Hard drive and DVD burner selected but those are not too important so i wont include them.
Also, any recommendations for a ~20 inch monitor for ~100 dollars would be appreciated.

Thanks!


You'll want a CX430 instead for $5 more since the Thermaltake isn't that good: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139026

H77 for $120 is too expensive and it looks like you're on a tight budget... so get the Asrock H77M for $60: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157303

Get a less expensive case like the Carbide 200R?

If you're not going to be doing anything super intensive thaan you can probably just get a core i3 3220 for less: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116775 It'll perform slightly better than the core i5 Sandybridige in the majority of games.
nolook
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
82 Posts
November 28 2012 01:54 GMT
#25727
Asking for the 3rd time, maybe someone can reply...

Is phenom ii x4 not enough to play new games on ultra? If it is then what cpu/mobo/gpu should we get?

Thank you
All the grace, the beauty, the poetry had gone out of the majestic river!
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
November 28 2012 04:26 GMT
#25728
Its generally not a smart purchase.

Everything else depends on your budget.
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Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-30 00:48:10
November 30 2012 00:28 GMT
#25729
On November 28 2012 01:36 kollin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2012 08:25 kollin wrote:
Hey, I was looking for a setup that could run Planetside 2 at a decent frame rate in large battles on low/medium settings. Really, I want to keep my price sub £600 (not including the monitor), but I'm not too bothered if it goes a bit over.
http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/advent-dt2111-desktop-pc-11875804-pdt.html
I found this, which looks decent, though I'm not sure about the graphics card :/ Anyone have some good suggestions?
EDIT: I'd really rather not build my own computer, by the way.


Just going to bump this up, because I still haven't received an answer ^^


Where do you buy from? You need at least a 7870 to get a decent framerate on a 1080p screen. If you do i3 3220 and a B75 motherboard, I don't think 600 euro is impossible.

*edit* this is an example of a build that'll be perfectly playable on medium PS2:

Gigabyte GA-B75M-D3H Socket 1155 VGA DVI HDMI 8 Channel Audio mATX Motherboard £58.43
PowerColor HD 7950 PCS+ 3GB GDDR5 Boost State DVI Dual Mini DisplayPort HDMI PCI-E Graphics Card £241.25
Crucial 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3 1333MHz Memory Kit CL9 1.5V £26.91
Fractal Design Core 1000 MicroATX Case £40.49
SAMSUNG 128GB 830 Series SSD - 2.5" SATA-III - PC UPGRADE KIT £77.68
Intel Core i3 3220 3.30GHz Socket 1155 3MB Cache Retail Boxed Processor £96.36
Corsair 500W CX Builder 80 Plus Bronze PSU 3 Year Warranty £46.53

Cart total inc vat: £587.65 AT ebuyer.com (I haven't price checked anything so I'm sure you can find it cheaper elsewhere)
I'm taking whatever coverage I can get, because frankly, I'm busy working on this million dollar deal at my job. Early retirement is a good thing brotha man. - MessengerASL
FlilFlam
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada109 Posts
November 30 2012 00:28 GMT
#25730
Hello, I'm looking at upgrading my computer specifically for the purpose of playing Sc2 with less lag.

Currently I just barely can run Sc2 on low settings in conjunction with every variable.txt and performance tweak possible, but i still get almost unplayable fps drop in large 4v4 maps, very late game maxed out 1v1's, and inexplicably, whenever small selected units travel through a smoke line of sight blocker, like zerglings at the xel'naga tower on daybreak.

I have a case, I have a hard drive, I have/can get a psu, memory i easily can get because it's cheap (basically am not worried about these things), so what i want/need to upgrade is my motherboard, processor, and graphics card.

I want the computer to be able to run sc2 on low to medium settings smoothly at a resolution of 1360x768, and I do not intend to upgrade it. My budget is 300$.

Here are some options i am looking at.

http://pcpartpicker.com/ca/p/qbFk

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1136561

Being the computer noob i am, i'm not even sure which option would be better given my specific desires.

Would these specific parts be good enough for what I want them to do? Which would be the best parts to buy in order to drive performance while staying under the overall 300$ budget?

Any help would be appreciated
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skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
November 30 2012 01:02 GMT
#25731
On November 30 2012 09:28 FlilFlam wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Hello, I'm looking at upgrading my computer specifically for the purpose of playing Sc2 with less lag.

Currently I just barely can run Sc2 on low settings in conjunction with every variable.txt and performance tweak possible, but i still get almost unplayable fps drop in large 4v4 maps, very late game maxed out 1v1's, and inexplicably, whenever small selected units travel through a smoke line of sight blocker, like zerglings at the xel'naga tower on daybreak.

I have a case, I have a hard drive, I have/can get a psu, memory i easily can get because it's cheap (basically am not worried about these things), so what i want/need to upgrade is my motherboard, processor, and graphics card.

I want the computer to be able to run sc2 on low to medium settings smoothly at a resolution of 1360x768, and I do not intend to upgrade it. My budget is 300$.

Here are some options i am looking at.

http://pcpartpicker.com/ca/p/qbFk

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1136561

Being the computer noob i am, i'm not even sure which option would be better given my specific desires.

Would these specific parts be good enough for what I want them to do? Which would be the best parts to buy in order to drive performance while staying under the overall 300$ budget?

Any help would be appreciated


Why even consider the shitty AMD combo if you have a case and power supply already? An athlon is inferior to Intel's offerings when it comes to Starcraft II.

Here's basically the same parts for a lower price.

http://ncix.com/products/?sku=77755&promoid=1310
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=77699&promoid=1310
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=57953&promoid=1310
colblitz
Profile Joined June 2011
United States41 Posts
November 30 2012 17:02 GMT
#25732
Anyone have any recommendations for best freeware to use for cloning an SSD onto a larger SSD? (Or is it better to go with a clean install of the OS along with all the programs >.>)
RiceAgainst
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States1849 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 07:00:08
December 01 2012 05:35 GMT
#25733
So, thanks to Tek Syndicate I want to build this:
CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor $81.99
Motherboard: ASRock 960GM/U3S3 FX Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard $61.97
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory $29.99
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $54.99
Video Card: HIS Radeon HD 7870 2GB Video Card $214.98
Case: Apex Vortex 3620 ATX Mid Tower Case $31.62
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply $53.99
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224BB DVD/CD Writer $15.99

But I don't want to spend "$545.52 (shipped)" but around $400 at most; I know he has ~$400 builds but I really like this one. I was thinking if I could replace the parts he gives w/ parts from my current build

Motherboard: BIOSTAR A780L3L (-$61.97)
Memory: 2x 2GB Patriot Memory PSD32G13332 DDR3-1333 (-$29.99)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda LP ST32000542AS 2TB (-$54.99)
Case: Current one (-$31.62)
Optical Drive: Current One (-$15.99)


So I'd be spending around $350 and my final build would be...
CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor
MOBO: BIOSTAR A780L3L
RAM:2x 2GB Patriot Memory PSD32G13332 DDR3-1333
HDD: Seagate Barracuda LP ST32000542AS 2TB
GPU: HIS Radeon HD 7870 2GB Video Card
PSU: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply

I did some quick research and the new CPU should fit my current MOBO but do you think the system would be stable? Also, do you think it could do some low-quality streaming if I overclock the CPU just a little bit (using AMD Overdrive software, since I'm a noob at PC builds and OC'ing). I'm thinking I might have to get my RAM upgraded though, so I might spend that extra $30 for the Ripjaws, but if I wanted to save some money, could I replace the GPU w/ something cheaper?

I can't wait to have a better computer and actually put my own money to my build. This will be my first legitamate PC, as most of my other ones have been built (for free thankfully) from scrap/hand-me-down parts.

EDIT: After an extra five minutes of research, I discovered that my current MOBO doesn't support 125W CPUs which the 955 is...so can someone confirm this for me?

EDIT 2: Sorry for my lack of research; CPU is actually $95 if we're going by Newegg, GPU is correct but there's a rebate (though it's out of stock), PSU...well...want to help me find one that's just as good for about the same price? I plan on playing games, SC2 mostly, some LoL, some SWTOR, Elder Scrolls Online when it releases. And now that I think about it, I really don't have much use for a gaming PC w/ such few games. I think I might hold off on upgrading/buying for awhile until my budget drastically increases but if this build would work for gaming/watching streams then I might go on ahead and get it.

skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
December 01 2012 06:01 GMT
#25734
It would help if we knew what this computer was for... and idk where you get this pricing from (since those prices are definitely not from Newegg or Amazon) so it would help if you mentioned what retailer you're buying from.
Belial88
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5217 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 09:38:07
December 01 2012 09:36 GMT
#25735
On November 28 2012 10:54 nolook wrote:
Asking for the 3rd time, maybe someone can reply...

Is phenom ii x4 not enough to play new games on ultra? If it is then what cpu/mobo/gpu should we get?

Thank you


Phenom X4 is MORE than powerful enough to play new games on Ultra, but for most games, your settings are going to be all about your GPU, not CPU. However, GPUs are strong enough now that if you buy a really high end GPU, a phenom x4 will bottleneck it a small amount (but in that scenario why are an AMD system with a GPU more expensive than the rest of the computer).

It's a great processor.

That said, you should not buy one unless you can get it for at least 50% off, and as an upgrade to an existing athlon ii system only, unless you specifically need multithreaded performance and literally have a $300-400 budget and are very, very, very tight on cash and you'd rather spend less on a computer that could fit your needs and then pocket the extra money, then spend all of your budget to get the absolute best you need.

If you have less than $300-400 and you really need to save every dollar, and you are into streaming with h264 codec (xsplit/obs/ffsplit, coincidentally), then a phenom ii deneb is the way to go. $65 for a Phenom B97 (955 with a semi-locked multiplier and guaranteed 4ghz+ since they are all c3 revision). AND you know how to overclock, and are into overclocking.

If you don't overclock and know what to do, forget it, and gaming performance/every thing performance is more improtant than streaming performance, forget it.

Any CPU today and yesterday will run not only SC2 just fine, but new games, and upcoming games, just fine. The 3 year old Phenom ii, and athlon ii, and sandy bridge pentiums, will play all of today's games, and tommorow's games, just fine. With today's games, and some CPU heavy games like SC2, you WILL see a noticeable difference in a better CPU, but if you want to play BF3 or SC2 pretty well, than an athlon ii x4 or phenom ii or pentium will do just fine for a budget build.

Although to be honest, an AMD APU would be a great bet if you are strapped for cash. Overclockable, cheap, that's how you make a really cheap build that can game well. That might be a better option than Phenom ii if you are strapped for cash, but I'm not too familiar with APUs and everyone hates them even though they are great for their price.

But, for gaming performance, and basically everything else, the Phenom is more comparable in price and performance to a Pentium G860, which is now an outdated chip on the lowest Intel line. But, a G860, and a Phenom X4, are both great chips.

If you want to build a gaming rig, I'd recommend you get a Pentium 2120, or ivy bridge i3 if you have the money. If you like to overclock, a i5-2500k or for an even more extreme overclocker (custom water, or the best of the best in air) the i5-3550k, but that's a little pricy and more power than you need (although that would be the best if you are into streaming, and still doesn't cost too much, $500-700). If you are on a budget, a Pentium g860 would probably be the lowest you'd want to go, and if your really poor, an AMD APU.

Phenom ii X4, like all AMD and Intel chips, are awesome. But for their price and performance, AMD is just very rarely worth it, ever. They are only good for very niche consumers. Not the average gamer. You'll never hear anyone say anything bad about their athlon ii x2 regor, their i3, their i7, their APU. They are all 'quality' products for their price. Just AM3 is outdated nowadays and isn't worth going for unless your a huge overclocking enthusiast who needs multithreaded performance, otherwise Intel has AMD beat at every price point except for the lowest, $200 build (APU).
How to build a $500 i7-3770K Ultimate Computer:http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=392709 ******** 100% Safe Razorless Delid Method! http://www.overclock.net/t/1376206/how-to-delid-your-ivy-bridge-cpu-with-out-a-razor-blade/0_100
Belial88
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5217 Posts
December 01 2012 10:03 GMT
#25736
On December 01 2012 14:35 RiceAgainst wrote:
So, thanks to Tek Syndicate I want to build this:
CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor $81.99
Motherboard: ASRock 960GM/U3S3 FX Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard $61.97
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory $29.99
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $54.99
Video Card: HIS Radeon HD 7870 2GB Video Card $214.98
Case: Apex Vortex 3620 ATX Mid Tower Case $31.62
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply $53.99
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224BB DVD/CD Writer $15.99

But I don't want to spend "$545.52 (shipped)" but around $400 at most; I know he has ~$400 builds but I really like this one. I was thinking if I could replace the parts he gives w/ parts from my current build

Motherboard: BIOSTAR A780L3L (-$61.97)
Memory: 2x 2GB Patriot Memory PSD32G13332 DDR3-1333 (-$29.99)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda LP ST32000542AS 2TB (-$54.99)
Case: Current one (-$31.62)
Optical Drive: Current One (-$15.99)


So I'd be spending around $350 and my final build would be...
CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor
MOBO: BIOSTAR A780L3L
RAM:2x 2GB Patriot Memory PSD32G13332 DDR3-1333
HDD: Seagate Barracuda LP ST32000542AS 2TB
GPU: HIS Radeon HD 7870 2GB Video Card
PSU: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply

I did some quick research and the new CPU should fit my current MOBO but do you think the system would be stable? Also, do you think it could do some low-quality streaming if I overclock the CPU just a little bit (using AMD Overdrive software, since I'm a noob at PC builds and OC'ing). I'm thinking I might have to get my RAM upgraded though, so I might spend that extra $30 for the Ripjaws, but if I wanted to save some money, could I replace the GPU w/ something cheaper?

I can't wait to have a better computer and actually put my own money to my build. This will be my first legitamate PC, as most of my other ones have been built (for free thankfully) from scrap/hand-me-down parts.

EDIT: After an extra five minutes of research, I discovered that my current MOBO doesn't support 125W CPUs which the 955 is...so can someone confirm this for me?

EDIT 2: Sorry for my lack of research; CPU is actually $95 if we're going by Newegg, GPU is correct but there's a rebate (though it's out of stock), PSU...well...want to help me find one that's just as good for about the same price? I plan on playing games, SC2 mostly, some LoL, some SWTOR, Elder Scrolls Online when it releases. And now that I think about it, I really don't have much use for a gaming PC w/ such few games. I think I might hold off on upgrading/buying for awhile until my budget drastically increases but if this build would work for gaming/watching streams then I might go on ahead and get it.



That motherboard does support a 955, technically. But your Phenom 955 would blow up in that motherboard, and I guarantee it'll blow if you overclock (and if you get a phenom and dont overclock it, your literally paying twice the price for shit, you have to overclock it to make it competitive at all). It's a 3 phase, not even 3+1, and the mosfets are Nikos with no low rds. It'll handle 80*C tops, and it'll hit over 80*C on load, probably on stock settings too. That motherboard would just blow the fuck up.

There is absolutely no way you could overclock that board and I'd be worried just running it stock on that board. it WILL blow on overclock, there have been plenty of reports on it.

No. Buy a different motherboard. At least a 4+1 phase, or a 3+1 phase and then buy some enzotech heatsinks and a spotcool fan to put over the VRM (which you should do even with 4+1, really).

Even at stock settings, although preferably overclocked, you can stream very well on Phenom x4. Phenom is not a good value in general, but the one things that it has good, is that for it's price point, it's extremely good at h264 encoding. Meaning if you care more about streaming performance than gaming and your poor, go phenom, but only if you overclock. Which means you need a hyper 212+ at the least. And a phenom x4 will handle any modern video game easily, anyways.

your GPU is absolute overkill for Sc2. SC2 does not require much at all in the way of graphics/GPU, it's an 'outdated' game, in a sense. Very outdated. If you play on 720, get a 4850 or 4870 or comparable card, if you play on 1080, a 550 or comparable card. I'd recommend you go on ebay or a local pc store and buy a slightly older gen card - they sell for extremely cheap and better in performance than modern cards that might have a few features that aren't going to be useful for SC2 or most recent games anyways. An overclocked 460 beats out a 650, 550, 560, which cost $120+, while a 460 new can be had for under $90, used, $60.

The PSU your going for is a bit on the expensive side. You only need around 450w, but that's fine. I dont see a price listed but $50 is about where you should spend.

Yea your GPU is definitely a ridiculous choice for an sc2 build.

What's your current CPU? if you have a good enough CPU as it is, you probably wont see a noticeable increase in going phenom ii, and would really be better served waiting for more money to get a significant upgrade.
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RiceAgainst
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States1849 Posts
December 01 2012 16:21 GMT
#25737
On December 01 2012 19:03 Belial88 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On December 01 2012 14:35 RiceAgainst wrote:
So, thanks to Tek Syndicate I want to build this:
CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor $81.99
Motherboard: ASRock 960GM/U3S3 FX Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard $61.97
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory $29.99
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $54.99
Video Card: HIS Radeon HD 7870 2GB Video Card $214.98
Case: Apex Vortex 3620 ATX Mid Tower Case $31.62
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply $53.99
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224BB DVD/CD Writer $15.99

But I don't want to spend "$545.52 (shipped)" but around $400 at most; I know he has ~$400 builds but I really like this one. I was thinking if I could replace the parts he gives w/ parts from my current build

Motherboard: BIOSTAR A780L3L (-$61.97)
Memory: 2x 2GB Patriot Memory PSD32G13332 DDR3-1333 (-$29.99)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda LP ST32000542AS 2TB (-$54.99)
Case: Current one (-$31.62)
Optical Drive: Current One (-$15.99)


So I'd be spending around $350 and my final build would be...
CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor
MOBO: BIOSTAR A780L3L
RAM:2x 2GB Patriot Memory PSD32G13332 DDR3-1333
HDD: Seagate Barracuda LP ST32000542AS 2TB
GPU: HIS Radeon HD 7870 2GB Video Card
PSU: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply

I did some quick research and the new CPU should fit my current MOBO but do you think the system would be stable? Also, do you think it could do some low-quality streaming if I overclock the CPU just a little bit (using AMD Overdrive software, since I'm a noob at PC builds and OC'ing). I'm thinking I might have to get my RAM upgraded though, so I might spend that extra $30 for the Ripjaws, but if I wanted to save some money, could I replace the GPU w/ something cheaper?

I can't wait to have a better computer and actually put my own money to my build. This will be my first legitamate PC, as most of my other ones have been built (for free thankfully) from scrap/hand-me-down parts.

EDIT: After an extra five minutes of research, I discovered that my current MOBO doesn't support 125W CPUs which the 955 is...so can someone confirm this for me?

EDIT 2: Sorry for my lack of research; CPU is actually $95 if we're going by Newegg, GPU is correct but there's a rebate (though it's out of stock), PSU...well...want to help me find one that's just as good for about the same price? I plan on playing games, SC2 mostly, some LoL, some SWTOR, Elder Scrolls Online when it releases. And now that I think about it, I really don't have much use for a gaming PC w/ such few games. I think I might hold off on upgrading/buying for awhile until my budget drastically increases but if this build would work for gaming/watching streams then I might go on ahead and get it.



That motherboard does support a 955, technically. But your Phenom 955 would blow up in that motherboard, and I guarantee it'll blow if you overclock (and if you get a phenom and dont overclock it, your literally paying twice the price for shit, you have to overclock it to make it competitive at all). It's a 3 phase, not even 3+1, and the mosfets are Nikos with no low rds. It'll handle 80*C tops, and it'll hit over 80*C on load, probably on stock settings too. That motherboard would just blow the fuck up.

There is absolutely no way you could overclock that board and I'd be worried just running it stock on that board. it WILL blow on overclock, there have been plenty of reports on it.

No. Buy a different motherboard. At least a 4+1 phase, or a 3+1 phase and then buy some enzotech heatsinks and a spotcool fan to put over the VRM (which you should do even with 4+1, really).

Even at stock settings, although preferably overclocked, you can stream very well on Phenom x4. Phenom is not a good value in general, but the one things that it has good, is that for it's price point, it's extremely good at h264 encoding. Meaning if you care more about streaming performance than gaming and your poor, go phenom, but only if you overclock. Which means you need a hyper 212+ at the least. And a phenom x4 will handle any modern video game easily, anyways.

your GPU is absolute overkill for Sc2. SC2 does not require much at all in the way of graphics/GPU, it's an 'outdated' game, in a sense. Very outdated. If you play on 720, get a 4850 or 4870 or comparable card, if you play on 1080, a 550 or comparable card. I'd recommend you go on ebay or a local pc store and buy a slightly older gen card - they sell for extremely cheap and better in performance than modern cards that might have a few features that aren't going to be useful for SC2 or most recent games anyways. An overclocked 460 beats out a 650, 550, 560, which cost $120+, while a 460 new can be had for under $90, used, $60.

The PSU your going for is a bit on the expensive side. You only need around 450w, but that's fine. I dont see a price listed but $50 is about where you should spend.

Yea your GPU is definitely a ridiculous choice for an sc2 build.

What's your current CPU? if you have a good enough CPU as it is, you probably wont see a noticeable increase in going phenom ii, and would really be better served waiting for more money to get a significant upgrade.


Current CPU is Athlon X2 255, dual core. Using AMD Overdrive, I've OC'd it from 3.1 to 3.5 Ghz and that's w/ no OC'ing experience.
Belial88
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5217 Posts
December 01 2012 19:43 GMT
#25738
^ Don't use AMD overdrive. Just go into bios, it really isn't hard to overclock at all. Reduce RAM divider (ie 1333mhz to 1066 mhz or the divider one level down), CPU-NB multi, ht link multi, then increase FSB as necessary, can also reduce the multi.

AOD makes your voltages into ridiculously unsafe ranges with very minor overclocks. 3.1 to 3.5 is great, but I imagine your voltage is dangerously high when it doesnt need to be.

You'd see actually a sizeable performance gain if you upgraded from athlon regor to deneb/thuban though. But the fact your motherboard VRM is dangerously low quality, you should just upgrade to intel lga 1155.
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TheeCrooKed
Profile Joined November 2010
United States27 Posts
December 02 2012 03:08 GMT
#25739
I was looking for a little help with my hardware. I want to start streaming if possible and from what I've read I would need a quad core cpu to do so. Currently I have a dual core. I just wanted to make sure that if I purchased a quad core cpu that it would work with my current specs. I also plan to add an additional 4 gb of RAM. Anyways here are my specs:

MB: MSI 870-G45 AM3 AMD 770 ATX AMD Motherboard
RAM: GSKILL 240pin DDR3 1600 2x2GB
CPU: AMD HDZ555 WFGMBOX
GPU: Nvidia GTX 460 768mb
HDD: SAMSUNG HD502HJ
PSU: 600w
CD Drive: ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS

I was looking to purchase this CPU http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103727

Would this particular CPU be compatible with my current system? Thanks for the help.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
December 02 2012 03:41 GMT
#25740
Yeah, that's compatible, would work.

The extra RAM won't make a difference unless you're really using close to the 4GB right now.

But is that CPU a Phenom II X2 555? Have you tried unlocking the CPU cores in BIOS (meaning, using the CPU cores on the chip that are nominally disabled)? If they unlock run stable, then that saves you some money and effort; no need to get the new CPU.
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