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On December 03 2012 15:00 Belial88 wrote:
it's true SC2 is much more CPU dependent than most games, but it's a very old game by now.
Doesn't really matter that's it's an older game. It's still a primary concern of most people who post on this forum. And Intel processors show a significant benefit in late game minimum framerate performance - even if that is most noticeable largely for custom maps/3v3s/4v4s. For those scenarios, the effect is major.
I do see good potential for gamers on a mid-low budget getting an fx-4300 and overclocking it. After an overclock it seems to be a superior offering to the i3-3220, which if (total system) prices are right could get interesting. Phenoms though? Speaking of very old by now...
I also think you're heavily underestimating AM3+ motherboard costs though. Sure there are some nearly as cheap as Intel B75s, but so far as I know you don't want run a heavy overclock on the el cheapo boards.
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could i have enouth FPS in SC2 with an AMD APU 5600K ?
i mean in a 1v1 macro game or in a 4v4 game
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A Hyper 212+ is not $14.99 after shipping and a Hyper 212 EVO is not $19.99 on Newegg.
A $40 motherboard with a Noctua NH-D14 is not going to get you an insane overclock.
If you are going to claim bullshit, can you please link some sources?
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Well the Hyper 212+ is $15 from some dude named JoKez4money, who has a 75% rating on Amazon.com. Can't find that $50 Noctua D14 though that would be the buy of the century if its not in any way damaged or missing parts.
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On December 03 2012 15:54 RoranRock wrote:
could i have enouth FPS in SC2 with an AMD APU 5600K ?
i mean in a 1v1 macro game or in a 4v4 game
Signs point to no. Particularly in the 4v4 game.
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Yes, I saw that. It's $15 + $6 shipping which does not equate to his bullshit claim of $14.99 after shipping.
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I mean I was specifically saying "no used parts from uncertified third parties because you don't really get warranty or Amazon protection and you have no idea if the previous owner has done with it" but if we want to play this game:
The cheapest H61 motherboard (ECS yuck) is $33. A used i3 2100 is $88 while a used i5-2310 is $140; the cheapest Black Edition quad core I could find on Amazon (so no trying your luck with core unlocking) is around $74 from some bloke named coasterlover420. The price difference is really not that much and I'd damn well trust the Intel system to last because the power draw is barely anything. No idea if you get a stock cooler but I wager you can find someone on the internet that is willing to give you a free LGA1155 stock cooler.
Like misterfred, I'm not sure how much stock I'd put into a $30 used AM3 motherboard when we're talking about overclocked Phenom IIs. But assuming we're buying the $30-40 motherboard, you're saving what? $40 at the very most? For what? A platform that is worse in every single way from power management to I/O performance? Yeah $40 shouldn't be difficult for a lot of people, just don't drink beer with fellow students for two weeks and you've got that $40.
Not to mention your utility bill if we want to bring that into the equation. I'm fairly certain the power draw difference between Sandy/Ivy Bridge and an overclocked Phenom II is not going to be minor, especially considering just how good modern Intel processors/motherboards are at power saving.
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I'd like some of the forum regulars' opinions on the new fx chips from AMD (Piledriver is the code name?). There seems to be some potential there given pricing & higher potential clock speeds. But I really don't know anything aside from some of the initial reviews, which were a little light on overclocking details.
So let's consider CPUs & system costs, estimating a roughly $80 cost for an AMD overclocking mobo + $20 cost for tower cooler (assuming special on a Gaia or something) + $5 penalty for potentially larger PSU needed for power-hungry AMD chips/very very minor power bill differences, whatever. Prices from newegg, not taking into account elsewhere.
Phenom II 965
$85 for CPU + $105 above costs = $190 for CPU/Mobo/cooling
fx-4300
$130 for CPU + $105 = $235
fx-6300
$140 for CPU + $105 = $245
i3-3220 ( + low end B75M $60)
$120 for CPU + $60 = $180
i5-3450
$195 for CPU + $60 = $255
i5-3570k ( + $20 tower cooler cost + $110 for z77 mobo)
$215 for CPU + $130 = $345
So if you ask me there's really three pricing tiers we're looking at: i3/Phenom II, new fx-series/stock i5, and k-series i5. I play games that are pretty CPU-dependent and even overclocked the Phenom II does not equal an i3-3220 in benchmarks for some of those games, and it surpasses it in virtually none. So I see no reason to get a Phenom II.
The new AMD fx chips are a different story. Supposedly they overclock quite well, and with the price of the fx-6300 I can potentially see it competing with the i5-3450 for a streamer if they were willing to overclock. Or even for a gamer if they play some of the few games that significantly benefit from 4 cores. They're still a lot more likely to be attractive when there's some noticeable special going on though.
AMD still fails for the casual gamer who wants a no-skills system though, as all of the advantages provided by an AMD platform require overclocking to maximize performance.
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Hey just a quick question if anyone can help me out. The other day my computer was working fine, and today I try booting my computer but it won't turn on. So, i expected that the power supply went out and I was right. I got a new power supply but now even though my computer turns on, nothing comes up on the screen.
Is it likely that when my PSU(power color) went out, it took my motherboard with it? I'm assuming its my motherboard thats causing nothing to show up or can it be something else? Also maybe there are possible solutions to check?
And yes the monitor is plugged in, etc.
Thanks
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On December 03 2012 16:28 MisterFred wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I'd like some of the forum regulars' opinions on the new fx chips from AMD (Piledriver is the code name?). There seems to be some potential there given pricing & higher potential clock speeds. But I really don't know anything aside from some of the initial reviews, which were a little light on overclocking details.
So let's consider CPUs & system costs, estimating a roughly $80 cost for an AMD overclocking mobo + $20 cost for tower cooler (assuming special on a Gaia or something) + $5 penalty for potentially larger PSU needed for power-hungry AMD chips/very very minor power bill differences, whatever. Prices from newegg, not taking into account elsewhere.
Phenom II 965
$85 for CPU + $105 above costs = $190 for CPU/Mobo/cooling
fx-4300
$130 for CPU + $105 = $235
fx-6300
$140 for CPU + $105 = $245
i3-3220 ( + low end B75M $60)
$120 for CPU + $60 = $180
i5-3450
$195 for CPU + $60 = $255
i5-3570k ( + $20 tower cooler cost + $110 for z77 mobo)
$215 for CPU + $130 = $345
So if you ask me there's really three pricing tiers we're looking at: i3/Phenom II, new fx-series/stock i5, and k-series i5. I play games that are pretty CPU-dependent and even overclocked the Phenom II does not equal an i3-3220 in benchmarks for some of those games, and it surpasses it in virtually none. So I see no reason to get a Phenom II.
The new AMD fx chips are a different story. Supposedly they overclock quite well, and with the price of the fx-6300 I can potentially see it competing with the i5-3450 for a streamer if they were willing to overclock. Or even for a gamer if they play some of the few games that significantly benefit from 4 cores. They're still a lot more likely to be attractive when there's some noticeable special going on though.
AMD still fails for the casual gamer who wants a no-skills system though, as all of the advantages provided by an AMD platform require overclocking to maximize performance.
Piledriver is still not attractive for the majority of consumers as you said.
Even when overclocked, most reviews still show the FX8350 @ 4.8GHz losing to a i5 3470 for one pass encoding. And I highly doubt a 4.8GHz overclock is common... especially when you look at how much voltage and the equipment used to achieve this in the reviews.
If they actually released a real quad core Piledriver in place of the FX4300 at $130, they would have a somewhat attractive offering.
On December 03 2012 16:39 Mystic_Starcraft wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hey just a quick question if anyone can help me out. The other day my computer was working fine, and today I try booting my computer but it won't turn on. So, i expected that the power supply went out and I was right. I got a new power supply but now even though my computer turns on, nothing comes up on the screen.
Is it likely that when my PSU(power color) went out, it took my motherboard with it? I'm assuming its my motherboard thats causing nothing to show up or can it be something else? Also maybe there are possible solutions to check?
And yes the monitor is plugged in, etc.
Thanks
You might have forgot to plug in the 4+4 motherboard connector or the PCIe connector(s) for your GPU (if applicable).
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Doesn't really matter that's it's an older game. It's still a primary concern of most people who post on this forum. And Intel processors show a significant benefit in late game minimum framerate performance - even if that is most noticeable largely for custom maps/3v3s/4v4s. For those scenarios, the effect is major.
I do see good potential for gamers on a mid-low budget getting an fx-4300 and overclocking it. After an overclock it seems to be a superior offering to the i3-3220, which if (total system) prices are right could get interesting. Phenoms though? Speaking of very old by now...
I also think you're heavily underestimating AM3+ motherboard costs though. Sure there are some nearly as cheap as Intel B75s, but so far as I know you don't want run a heavy overclock on the el cheapo boards.
It's an x4, not x6. And we're talking about 24/7 overclocks, not benching. AM3 boards are known for being cheaper than Intel boards, I thought that was fairly common knowledge? Anyways, for $45 you can get a new Am3 board with a decent enough VRM to overclock on, no 3+1 nikos electrolytic caps.
And Phenom ii runs on AM3, not AM3+. There's a big difference. Bulldozer/Piledriver is crap, they are worse in single to quadcore threaded applications. Phenom ii is going to run better than them in gaming.
Intel processors do NOT show a significant gain over Phenom ii when your talking similar price point.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-fx-pentium-apu-benchmark,3120-10.html
I know, I talked about how much th sucks, im sure you'll see similar in other benchs though, i'll try to search more on this, but it's consistent with every pentium vs phenom ii general benchmark ive seen.
Quit comparing the $240 i5 with a $80 phenom ii.
could i have enouth FPS in SC2 with an AMD APU 5600K ?
i mean in a 1v1 macro game or in a 4v4 game
4v4 will probably struggle a bit in big battles, but every CPU will, and you'll be more than playable. The AMD APU 5600k is more than capable for sc2, it will actually play it very well, although the graphics won't pull 1080 ultra, 1080 high or ultra 720 though.
A Hyper 212+ is not $14.99 after shipping and a Hyper 212 EVO is not $19.99 on Newegg.
A $40 motherboard with a Noctua NH-D14 is not going to get you an insane overclock.
If you are going to claim bullshit, can you please link some sources?
Man why are you so hostile? Chill out, please.
Hyper 212+ and Evo were those prices yesterday, today the deals they were running must have expired. A google search will show I'm not the only person who saw those prices:
http://www.overclock.net/t/873871/newegg-cooler-master-hyper-212-14-99-amir/0_100
Microcenter also seems to sell 212+ for $16.99, no rebate, at times.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835106184
$9.99, that would handle a high 24/7 overclock just fine. A c3 revision will get 4ghz on 1.4v, not going to have very high temps on that.
Noctua nh-d14's that sell for under $50 all the time
http://www.ebay.com/csc/i.html?LH_Sold=1&_sacat=0&_from=R40&LH_Complete=1&_nkw=noctua nh-d14&_sop=15
Logisys sell them on a weekly basis, manufacturer reburb.
http://www.ebay.com/csc/i.html?_sop=15&_sacat=0&_from=R40&_nkw=logisys assassin&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1&rt=nc
Corsair H50: They generally sell for $30-35 after shipping, although for a week or two after thanksgiving the prices rose to around $40-50 after shipping. Best buy, and a few other companies, tend to sell the Corsair H50 for $40 new every once in a while too, by the way. I bought my H50 for $27 used, perfectly good condition, although it came with a different fan.
http://www.ebay.com/csc/i.html?_sop=15&_sacat=0&_nkw=corsair h50&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1&rt=nc
imo h50 is not a good cpu cooler, except when you buy it used. For some reason, it sells for a really low price used, much lower relative to it's new price than most coolers, that it's actually, in my opinion, the best CPU cooler to buy used. There is no other heatsink better at $30-35 used price.
Megahalems, which perform identically, tend to sell for more used, even though they are cheaper new, weird huh? You can sometimes find TRUE Revision C or Coppers selling for $30-35, and due to identical performance to H50, they are also really good buy's used. The Zalman 9900MAX sells for around a similar price, although it's a bit pricier and slightly worse, but still good value for it's general used price.
Funny thing is, H50 outperforms H70 on apples to apples. Doesn't make much sense logically given the 'better' radiator and pump on H70, but consistently in benchmarks it outperforms it. Seems like a lot of people go buy the H60, H70, Asetek, or Antec Kuhler, instead of H50, making one of the 'worst' closed loop coolers sell for the best value used.
The cheapest H61 motherboard (ECS yuck) is $33. A used i3 2100 is $88 while a used i5-2310 is $140; the cheapest Black Edition quad core I could find on Amazon (so no trying your luck with core unlocking) is around $74 from some bloke named coasterlover420. The price difference is really not that much and I'd damn well trust the Intel system to last because the power draw is barely anything. No idea if you get a stock cooler but I wager you can find someone on the internet that is willing to give you a free LGA1155 stock cooler.
You need to go by "Sold by" prices, not "Active Listings". Many of the "Active Listing" prices dont sell, et cetera, while "Sold By" will show you an accurate selling history from low to high.
You can find the B97 for $65 used, someone is selling a batch of them. Guaranteed C3 revision.
But here some sold by listings for less than your $80 i3:
$50 deneb c2
http://www.ebay.com/itm/AMD-PHENOM-II-X4-940-Black-Edition-/121000335114?pt=CPUs&hash=item1c2c2e970a
$54 deneb c3
http://www.ebay.com/itm/AMD-Phenom-II-X4-965-3-4-GHz-Quad-Core-HDZ965FBGMBOX-Processor-/190750480907?pt=CPUs&hash=item2c699d5a0b
$50 955
http://www.ebay.com/itm/AMD-Phenom-II-X4-955-3-2-GHz-Quad-Core-HDZ955FBK4DGM-Processor-/221123520583?pt=CPUs&hash=item337bfd2847
basically they seem to list for $55 used. That makes a used i3 at $80, about 50% more expensive. Just like new phenom vs new i3.
Like misterfred, I'm not sure how much stock I'd put into a $30 used AM3 motherboard when we're talking about overclocked Phenom IIs. But assuming we're buying the $30-40 motherboard, you're saving what? $40 at the very most? For what? A platform that is worse in every single way from power management to I/O performance? Yeah $40 shouldn't be difficult for a lot of people, just don't drink beer with fellow students for two weeks and you've got that $40.
$30 is new. I always talk new prices unless I specifically say used. Newegg and many other places will bundle a motherboard for ~$30 that will be fine for overclocking, and $30 motherboards for sale that can overclock new on their own.
Yea, your saving maybe $10, but like I did originally, i left out motherboards from the conversation. It only reinforces the point I'm making when AM3 boards tend to be slightly cheaper than intel.
power management, i/o performance, all of that stuff is really insignificant to most users, gamers, and even overclockers. This kind of stuff doesnt matter to someone whos not buying an i5.
Your utility bill is not going to be any significant amount higher because of the the extra, what, 100 watts, your using. It's the cost of running a lightbulb...
I'd like some of the forum regulars' opinions on the new fx chips from AMD (Piledriver is the code name?). There seems to be some potential there given pricing & higher potential clock speeds. But I really don't know anything aside from some of the initial reviews, which were a little light on overclocking details.
They're terrible for gaming. They are only slightly better at streaming, while much worse for gaming, than i5, similar price points. For gaming they are basically as good as an overclocked Phenom ii x4. It's unlike phenom x4 vs i3 because of something about not being true hexacore/octoctores i believe.
You have to have some really specialized shit to justify an expensive CPU that's worse than older gen phenom ii for general applications.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/697?vs=362
Put on a standard 4ghz overclock, and the Phenom ii would be better than the FX in almost every application.
They are crap for overclock. A 5ghz FX is going to run much hotter, and is going to be comparable in performance to a Phenom at 4ghz. Clock for clock they are worse than Phenom per core. An i5 3570k is better on first pass h264 encoding (fx better on 2nd pass though), put in an overclock vs overclocked FX and the i5 will be miles ahead of the FX chip.
AMD is only good for the streamer and/or overclocker on a tight budget, with their athlon ii and phenom ii series. If you aren't streaming and/or overclocking, intel is slightly better in every way. It's only when both streaming and overclocking a phenom or athlon that they really shine over intel at the same price point. That, and their APU series, for the really really low budget.
i5 is really the golden grail but it's too much power per value to justify, or rather, the value per cost of the chip is much lower than i3/phenom ii/pentium/athlon ii. imo i5 only worthwhile if your streaming and/or overclocking and you really need the extra power, ie your an enthusiast overclocker with very expensive and high end cooling, your a partnered streamer, or you just need the absolute best. But the average gamer, even average streamer with no/few regular viewers, there's little reason to buy it over amd/i3. It's not like it costs over $600 to build an i5 system so whatever.
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Hey guys, I think I have a preliminary build.
+ Show Spoiler [survey in the OP] +What is your budget?
$750-$900
What is your resolution?
1920x1080 (still have to get a monitor)
What are you using it for?
Gaming (my main games are Planetside 2 and League of Legends), anime, music.
What is your upgrade cycle?
2-3 years
When do you plan on building it?
ASAP, was planning on ordering/picking up parts as soon as today/tomorrow.
Do you plan on overclocking?
No.
Do you need an Operating System?
Yes, the laptop I currently use has Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit, and I think I'd like to stay with that.
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
No.
Where are you buying your parts from?
Microcenter near my house and Newegg, whichever has cheaper parts.
+ Show Spoiler [build] +
The things I think I need the most feedback on is the GPU and PSU. I was completely clueless on GPUs and don't know what I should be looking for.
Regarding the PSU, I have no idea how much power I'd need to run this machine so I don't know if 500W will cut it or not :x
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On December 03 2012 17:21 Belial88 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +A Hyper 212+ is not $14.99 after shipping and a Hyper 212 EVO is not $19.99 on Newegg.
A $40 motherboard with a Noctua NH-D14 is not going to get you an insane overclock.
If you are going to claim bullshit, can you please link some sources? Man why are you so hostile? Chill out, please. Hyper 212+ and Evo were those prices yesterday, today the deals they were running must have expired. A google search will show I'm not the only person who saw those prices: http://www.overclock.net/t/873871/newegg-cooler-master-hyper-212-14-99-amir/0_100Microcenter also seems to sell 212+ for $16.99, no rebate, at times. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835106184$9.99, that would handle a high 24/7 overclock just fine. A c3 revision will get 4ghz on 1.4v, not going to have very high temps on that. Noctua nh-d14's that sell for under $50 all the time http://www.ebay.com/csc/i.html?LH_Sold=1&_sacat=0&_from=R40&LH_Complete=1&_nkw=noctua nh-d14&_sop=15Logisys sell them on a weekly basis, manufacturer reburb. http://www.ebay.com/csc/i.html?_sop=15&_sacat=0&_from=R40&_nkw=logisys assassin&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1&rt=ncCorsair H50: They generally sell for $30-35 after shipping, although for a week or two after thanksgiving the prices rose to around $40-50 after shipping. Best buy, and a few other companies, tend to sell the Corsair H50 for $40 new every once in a while too, by the way. I bought my H50 for $27 used, perfectly good condition, although it came with a different fan. http://www.ebay.com/csc/i.html?_sop=15&_sacat=0&_nkw=corsair h50&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1&rt=ncimo h50 is not a good cpu cooler, except when you buy it used. For some reason, it sells for a really low price used, much lower relative to it's new price than most coolers, that it's actually, in my opinion, the best CPU cooler to buy used. There is no other heatsink better at $30-35 used price. Megahalems, which perform identically, tend to sell for more used, even though they are cheaper new, weird huh? You can sometimes find TRUE Revision C or Coppers selling for $30-35, and due to identical performance to H50, they are also really good buy's used. The Zalman 9900MAX sells for around a similar price, although it's a bit pricier and slightly worse, but still good value for it's general used price. Funny thing is, H50 outperforms H70 on apples to apples. Doesn't make much sense logically given the 'better' radiator and pump on H70, but consistently in benchmarks it outperforms it. Seems like a lot of people go buy the H60, H70, Asetek, or Antec Kuhler, instead of H50, making one of the 'worst' closed loop coolers sell for the best value used.
I'm not being hostile. I'm just pointing out that the specific claims are bullshit.
$14.99 AMIR is not $14.99 after shipping as you claimed earlier.
And no a Hyper 212 EVO was not $19.99 yesterday. Not to mention that your previous statement was in present tense.
I never mentioned anything regarding the pricing of the Deep Cool Assassin or Noctua NH-D14 ... so wtf? If you're going to attempt to prove me wrong, I'd appreciate it if you actually prove me wrong on my points and not bring up shit I did not mention.
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Regardless of the petty bickering going on, that cooler and price is sexy.
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yea i dont understand when people say one hsf looks ugly or too big. i think all aftermarket heatsinks look pretty awesome.
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On December 03 2012 17:24 Ferrose wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hey guys, I think I have a preliminary build. + Show Spoiler [survey in the OP] +What is your budget?
$750-$900
What is your resolution?
1920x1080 (still have to get a monitor)
What are you using it for?
Gaming (my main games are Planetside 2 and League of Legends), anime, music.
What is your upgrade cycle?
2-3 years
When do you plan on building it?
ASAP, was planning on ordering/picking up parts as soon as today/tomorrow.
Do you plan on overclocking?
No.
Do you need an Operating System?
Yes, the laptop I currently use has Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit, and I think I'd like to stay with that.
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
No.
Where are you buying your parts from?
Microcenter near my house and Newegg, whichever has cheaper parts. The things I think I need the most feedback on is the GPU and PSU. I was completely clueless on GPUs and don't know what I should be looking for. Regarding the PSU, I have no idea how much power I'd need to run this machine so I don't know if 500W will cut it or not :x
A 7850 1GB for $200 is overpriced, 1GB variants should only be about $175. At $200, you can get a 2GB variant. I'm not sure how GPU intensive Planetslide 2 is but I'm sure you know the requirements for LoL is a joke. But chances are, you most likely won't be using more than 1GB of VRAM in Planetslide unless you are applying high AA or using texture packs (if that's possible). But you can probably settle for something less like a GTX 650 Ti for $144 (w/ promo code HARDOCP1128D, ends 12/4 -- $124 after mail in rebate): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130839
Get the core i3 3220 instead. It's the exact same thing as the 3225 minus the HD4000 which you won't be using since you'll be using a dedicated graphics card: http://www.microcenter.com/product/398007/Core_i3_3220_330GHz_LGA_1155_Boxed_Processor
Consider the Corsair Carbide 200R for $50 ($30 after mail in rebate) instead of the Coolermaster HAF 912: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139018
Yes, 500w is plenty of power for this type of configuration but Corsair CX500 is not good for $60. The Rosewill Capstone 450 is significantly better at the same price: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182066 If you want to go cheaper, you can get a Corsair CX430 for around $40.
Get basic memory for $8 less: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231643 unless you really want to spend $8 more for red heatspreaders that don't do much besides looking nice for the rare occasion you will look inside your case.
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planetside 2 isnt that demanding, i have a friend maxing it on his 5870 (and the graphics do loook pretty old)
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On December 03 2012 18:12 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 17:24 Ferrose wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hey guys, I think I have a preliminary build. + Show Spoiler [survey in the OP] +What is your budget?
$750-$900
What is your resolution?
1920x1080 (still have to get a monitor)
What are you using it for?
Gaming (my main games are Planetside 2 and League of Legends), anime, music.
What is your upgrade cycle?
2-3 years
When do you plan on building it?
ASAP, was planning on ordering/picking up parts as soon as today/tomorrow.
Do you plan on overclocking?
No.
Do you need an Operating System?
Yes, the laptop I currently use has Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit, and I think I'd like to stay with that.
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
No.
Where are you buying your parts from?
Microcenter near my house and Newegg, whichever has cheaper parts. The things I think I need the most feedback on is the GPU and PSU. I was completely clueless on GPUs and don't know what I should be looking for. Regarding the PSU, I have no idea how much power I'd need to run this machine so I don't know if 500W will cut it or not :x A 7850 1GB for $200 is overpriced, 1GB variants should only be about $175. At $200, you can get a 2GB variant. I'm not sure how GPU intensive Planetslide 2 is but I'm sure you know the requirements for LoL is a joke. But chances are, you most likely won't be using more than 1GB of VRAM in Planetslide unless you are applying high AA or using texture packs (if that's possible). But you can probably settle for something less like a GTX 650 Ti for $144 (w/ promo code HARDOCP1128D, ends 12/4 -- $124 after mail in rebate): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130839Get the core i3 3220 instead. It's the exact same thing as the 3225 minus the HD4000 which you won't be using since you'll be using a dedicated graphics card: http://www.microcenter.com/product/398007/Core_i3_3220_330GHz_LGA_1155_Boxed_ProcessorConsider the Corsair Carbide 200R for $50 ($30 after mail in rebate) instead of the Coolermaster HAF 912: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139018Yes, 500w is plenty of power for this type of configuration but Corsair CX500 is not good for $60. The Rosewill Capstone 450 is significantly better at the same price: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182066 If you want to go cheaper, you can get a Corsair CX430 for around $40. Get basic memory for $8 less: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231643 unless you really want to spend $8 more for red heatspreaders that don't do much besides looking nice for the rare occasion you will look inside your case.
Thank you so much for the feedback. Had no idea that the GPU was a total ripoff or what the difference between HD2500 and HD4000 was.
Including the promo code and rebates, this brings the total cost down to $488.93. I can use that extra $140 to get a good monitor. 
Going to Micro Center right now to buy that processor before they run out >____>
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Hey guys. I'm planning on getting a new computer. I emailed one of my local retaillers for an offer. Basically I just told them to build a solid comp around a geforce 680 that falls between 1k-1.5k budget. Below is what they emailed me. So as a components 'newb' I don't know if their suggested setup is good or are they trying to cash out on me on some parts. Can I get opinions on this setup? What parts would you change and why? This is a gamer computer. It doesn't have a hard drive because I'm taking that from my old computer (it's only 3 months old). I also have windows 7 pro 64bit.
+ Show Spoiler +Intel Core i5-3570K, 4 x 3.40GHz, 77W, boxed 217,00€
Kingston ValueRAM DIMM 8GB PC3-10667U CL9 (DDR3-1333) 39,90€
Kingston ValueRAM DIMM 8GB PC3-10667U CL9 (DDR3-1333) 39,90€
Samsung SSD 840 Basic 120GB, 2.5", SATA 6Gb/s 104,90€
Super Flower Golden Green Pro 650W 89,80€
LG GH24NS DVD-RW 20,90€
Thermalright HR-02 Macho Rev.A (BW) 41,80€
BitFenix Shinobi Core Window, black, 62,90€
ASRock Z77 Extreme4, Z77 134,90€
Gigabyte GeForce GTX 680 OC, 2GB 499,00€
Scythe Slip Stream 120mm 1200rpm 7,50€
Scythe Slip Stream 120mm 1200rpm 7,50€
Scythe Slip Stream 120mm 1200rpm 7,50€
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