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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
glabius
Profile Joined November 2011
46 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-08 21:40:34
July 08 2012 21:38 GMT
#23241
I already own a monitor, keyboard, mic, mouse, and am running at 16:10 resolution.
I am really unaware of what I motherboard and power supply I should get. Please recommend me one.
Obviously, cheaper is better. I do not plan on crossfire/SLI but I will want to stream 480-720p resolution at high quality on SC2. $700-800 is within my budget

[image loading]

Thanks guys, also if there is anything regarding what I have already chosen (like if there is a cheaper or better version) then feel free to tell me!
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
July 08 2012 22:00 GMT
#23242
On July 09 2012 05:10 The_Doctor_ wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
What is your budget?

So I am looking to spend roughly 1000 but can most likely go up to 1500. What I would kinda like to see is what build would be recommended for 1000 and then if you had an extra 500 to put in it where would it go. I do need to buy a monitor too. I haven’t built a computer in years now (last one I actually put a lot of time into building was just before dual core came out so yea been a while and I have fallen out of the loop) I am currently running an alienware m17x R1 it has an intel T9800 2.93 6mb, 8gb ram, nvidia gtx 260m, & . a Samsung SSD PM810 256GB (ssdlife screen shot here ). I had purchased it because I needed portability because of traveling a lot. My thinking is that I can save some money by using the SSD from that in my desktop and I could use a trayless hotswap bay so that in the event that I am going away and want to take my computer with me it will takes <5 min to install the hd into the m17x which should be able to run everything my desktop will be able to just not as well. Is that a good idea or am I crazy for wanting to do that. Finally do you think its worth my investing in a desktop now or should I hold out for now. My m17x’s warranty expires in 10 days every piece of hardware in it with the exception of the cpu has been replaced within the last year.

What is your resolution?

1920x1200 is what I have been running as it is the native for this computer.

What are you using it for?

Everyday shanagans that doesn’t really matter, gaming, streaming maybe…but not likely, photoshop, possibly as a media center as well (that was always my thinking in the past for when I build a desktop again however external hd with a blueray player seems to work pretty well lol) As for what games sc2, Diablo 3, potentially some others thought not sure as of now

What is your upgrade cycle?

Well I don’t really know to be honest. I have been stuck for the most part for the last 3 years because this isn’t a desktop. I would probably say 2-4 years. I guess for the sake of this build I don’t want to plan to upgrade in the near future. Knowing the answer to this question makes it easier for people to recommend CPU sockets and GPUs so you get the most for your money. A person with a longer upgrade (2+ years) cycle will probably end up spending more initially but end up saving more at the expense of some performance. On the other hand a person with a shorter upgrade cycle (1 - 2 years) wants to spend less initially so they can put more money toward their next build.

When do you plan on building it?

Now-mid aug. Basically once I have a part list I will start collecting parts as I find good deals on them the computer will actually be built in its entirety mid aug.

Do you plan on overclocking?

Most likely. Which on that note is liquid cooling worth investing in?

Do you need an Operating System?

No, regardless of if I use my current SSD or not I will not need to pay for a new os I can get it through school or work.

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?

Potentially if it would actually make a significant difference but not initially as I don’t think it will be needed. Thoughts?

Where are you buying your parts from?

Newegg, Tigerdirect, and Amazon are typically the first places I go but im less worried about where specifically I need to buy a part from if there is one thing I have always been good at its finding what im looking for at the best possible price I just need some direction as to what to look for.



If you're going to use the SSD for both (not worth the effort IMHO), then you're going to want to partition the thing so the desktop has its own space and the laptop has its own too.

Just check the thread for recent ~$1000 builds. You're looking at some kind of i5-3570k, Z77 motherboard (around $120), 8GB DDR3, whatever drives including maybe Blu-Ray that you want, something like a HD 7850 or better if you can afford it, etc. You may as well spend the rest on peripherals if you don't already have good ones.


On July 09 2012 05:10 diclKrunk wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Hey guys, first time post --
So I'm looking at a new desktop PC, because my MBP was sort of a waste of money and I run it too hard/it overheats a lot/yada yada.

I have never done this before, and I would LOOOVE some help. As for the basics...
Budget: 750? Making it out of loose change that I gather up over the summer, 750 is an approximation.
Resolution: Running an old 19" asus monitor right now I bought from a friend, which is 1280x1024 (I think). Hoping to upgrade to something like 1920x1200 within the year (spoiled by MBP).
Use: Gaming, primarily Dota 2 and Starcraft 2 at the moment. Interests may change, Dota 2 is taking the front seat as we speak.
Upgrade Cycle: At the moment it's looking like a solid 2 years? Atleast, that's how it's been in the past.
Plan on Building it: Within the next 2 months, assuming I can create a solid build with you're help.
Plan on Overclocking?: You decide!
Operating System: School provided.
Adding a second GPU: As much as I'd like to, I'm going to go with a staunch no.
Buying Parts From....: Newegg at the moment, but once again, You Decide!

Something to add, as I mentioned earlier, I have never done this type of thing before, however, the amount of construction/not letting me kill my machine resources are vast (like 10-20 friends with their own DIY machine). With that said, none of them chose to help me design this, as it was sort of in the heat of the moment.

That being said, what I have at the moment (aka things people on newegg liked)
Case: Rosewill Challenger Black Gaming ATX (mid tower build) (2 additional fans for the side slots, my computers always find a way to overheat on me)
CPU: AMD of some sort (Feel free to debate, or tell me I'm objectively wrong, I've always gotten the impression that AMDs were a better deal than intel)
Memory: 8-16 gbs?
MoBo: Asus Evo AM3 AMD
GPU: HD 6850 (?)
PSU: Absolutely clueless in this department
HDD: Exactly that, not an SSD (at this budget)

Thanks for listening, and feel free to shout at me/flame me/talk to me like I'm 5.


At many points in time, AMD CPUs were better or were better values for the money. That's not true at all in the last year and a half, for gaming builds. They're terrible for that, compared with what Intel has. In fact, what AMD has now is worse than what they had 2-3 years ago.

Pricing and deals change weekly, so recommending a lot of specific parts isn't that useful (something else might be cheaper when you buy). Check back when you're actually buying.


On July 09 2012 06:38 glabius wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
I already own a monitor, keyboard, mic, mouse, and am running at 16:10 resolution.
I am really unaware of what I motherboard and power supply I should get. Please recommend me one.
Obviously, cheaper is better. I do not plan on crossfire/SLI but I will want to stream 480-720p resolution at high quality on SC2. $700-800 is within my budget

[image loading]

Thanks guys, also if there is anything regarding what I have already chosen (like if there is a cheaper or better version) then feel free to tell me!

Antec One is pretty much just an updated 300.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129181

AsRock H77M should be okay. You can get it in a combo:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.985407

Toshiba 500GB 7200rpm drive to save $5:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822149380

A little cheaper RAM:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820576011

Very good power supply (Rosewill Capstone) for $65:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182066

or just something decent (Antec Earthwatts Green 380D; note, doesn't come with power cord so use an old one) for $45:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371033

(if you're willing to go with multiple orders and grab something else from NCIX as well like a optical drive, Corsair CX400 is comparable to the Earthwatts, for $35):
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=33357
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=49597&promoid=1015
iTzSnypah
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1738 Posts
July 08 2012 22:21 GMT
#23243
On July 09 2012 06:38 glabius wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

I already own a monitor, keyboard, mic, mouse, and am running at 16:10 resolution.
I am really unaware of what I motherboard and power supply I should get. Please recommend me one.
Obviously, cheaper is better. I do not plan on crossfire/SLI but I will want to stream 480-720p resolution at high quality on SC2. $700-800 is within my budget

[image loading]

Thanks guys, also if there is anything regarding what I have already chosen (like if there is a cheaper or better version) then feel free to tell me!

What is your monitors resolution? 2560x1600 ,1920x1200, 1680x1050, or 1440x900?
HD6850 is cheaper and will run SC2 on ultra depending on your resolution (1920x1200, 1680x1050, or 1440x900).

i5-3570 & ASRock H77M $276.98
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.985611

Cooler Master HAF 912 $59.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119233

Sapphire HD6850 $124.99 AMIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102908

Rosewill Capstone 450 80+ gold $64.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182066
Team Liquid needs more Terrans.
glabius
Profile Joined November 2011
46 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-08 22:33:33
July 08 2012 22:23 GMT
#23244
i really like the rosewill capstone power supply: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182066 I'm kind of a always-on computer person and I don't want to skimp on quality.

Good catch on http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822149380 basically same thing $5 cheaper so why not?

How about http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811146084 for the case? $5 cheaper, and I hear it has better airflow?

Not sure about the Microatx board, is there any difference between that and something normal? Is it better just to get microatx because it is cheaper and I am not planning on overclocking//crossfire?


On July 09 2012 07:21 iTzSnypah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2012 06:38 glabius wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

I already own a monitor, keyboard, mic, mouse, and am running at 16:10 resolution.
I am really unaware of what I motherboard and power supply I should get. Please recommend me one.
Obviously, cheaper is better. I do not plan on crossfire/SLI but I will want to stream 480-720p resolution at high quality on SC2. $700-800 is within my budget

[image loading]

Thanks guys, also if there is anything regarding what I have already chosen (like if there is a cheaper or better version) then feel free to tell me!

What is your monitors resolution? 2560x1600 ,1920x1200, 1680x1050, or 1440x900?
HD6850 is cheaper and will run SC2 on ultra depending on your resolution (1920x1200, 1680x1050, or 1440x900).

i5-3570 & ASRock H77M $276.98
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.985611

Cooler Master HAF 912 $59.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119233

Sapphire HD6850 $124.99 AMIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102908

Rosewill Capstone 450 80+ gold $64.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182066


I am running at 1680x1050. I've read that the 6870 performs better than the 6850 in SC2 like 15+fps better. I also plan on streaming. Does this give me a good enough reason to get a 6870 over the 6850? I just want to be able to stream/play at 100% max settings
iTzSnypah
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1738 Posts
July 08 2012 22:47 GMT
#23245
On July 09 2012 07:23 glabius wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

i really like the rosewill capstone power supply: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182066 I'm kind of a always-on computer person and I don't want to skimp on quality.

Good catch on http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822149380 basically same thing $5 cheaper so why not?

How about http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811146084 for the case? $5 cheaper, and I hear it has better airflow?

Not sure about the Microatx board, is there any difference between that and something normal? Is it better just to get microatx because it is cheaper and I am not planning on overclocking//crossfire?


On July 09 2012 07:21 iTzSnypah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2012 06:38 glabius wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

I already own a monitor, keyboard, mic, mouse, and am running at 16:10 resolution.
I am really unaware of what I motherboard and power supply I should get. Please recommend me one.
Obviously, cheaper is better. I do not plan on crossfire/SLI but I will want to stream 480-720p resolution at high quality on SC2. $700-800 is within my budget

[image loading]

Thanks guys, also if there is anything regarding what I have already chosen (like if there is a cheaper or better version) then feel free to tell me!

What is your monitors resolution? 2560x1600 ,1920x1200, 1680x1050, or 1440x900?
HD6850 is cheaper and will run SC2 on ultra depending on your resolution (1920x1200, 1680x1050, or 1440x900).

i5-3570 & ASRock H77M $276.98
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.985611

Cooler Master HAF 912 $59.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119233

Sapphire HD6850 $124.99 AMIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102908

Rosewill Capstone 450 80+ gold $64.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182066


I am running at 1680x1050. I've read that the 6870 performs better than the 6850 in SC2 like 15+fps better. I also plan on streaming. Does this give me a good enough reason to get a 6870 over the 6850? I just want to be able to stream/play at 100% max settings

Last time I checked Streaming uses your CPU and not your GPU..So spending more for a GPU is kind of pointless when SC2 is CPU bound and Streaming uses your CPU.
Team Liquid needs more Terrans.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
July 08 2012 22:50 GMT
#23246
HD 6850 should already be plenty for SC2 at 1680x1050, but the HD 6870 is not a bad choice in general.

MicroATX just gives you less expansion slots than normal ATX, maybe a few less other ports here and there. How many cards other than a graphics card would you use? Keep in mind that many external solutions (generally connected through USB) for other functions may be better anyway: sound cards, Wi-Fi adapter, etc.
mjf
Profile Joined April 2010
United States436 Posts
July 09 2012 00:02 GMT
#23247
So, a few weeks ago I posted this:

+ Show Spoiler [My OP] +
On June 23 2012 15:25 mjf wrote:
So I'm building a new desktop, and I need EVERYTHING that goes with it.. monitor, case, OS, keyboard, the works. the only things I have are a mouse and headphones.

Budget: Let's say.. no more than $1,200. I'm not too familiar with how much all the stuff would cost, but I figure since I'll need a keyboard+monitor+OS that's at least a few hundred dollars less on the computer itself.

Resolution: Since I'll be buying a monitor, this one is still open.

Use: I'll be using it for basically gaming only, no plans to do any video work or streaming, but being able to stream would be nice.

Upgrade Cycle: I do not plan on upgrading anytime soon, let's make it count!

I don't know anything about overclocking, so let's say for now that I won't be doing it. (not that I'm against it, just unfamiliar. Same thing for SLI/Crossfire)

I have a Fry's nearby, so I'll be able to pick stuff up from them if I need to.

I'll look around, but if you guys have any keyboard recommendations, I'd be glad to hear 'em

Thanks!


and was given this response by MisterFred (thanks MisterFred!):

+ Show Spoiler [MisterFred's Response] +
On June 23 2012 16:47 MisterFred wrote:
@mjf

Let's see...

CPU: i5-3450 ($190)
http://us.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=70543
Non-overclockable quad-core. Should allow streaming on at least medium quality settings.

Mobo: MSI mATX h77 ($80)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130648

GPU: HIS 7850 ($245 - $20 rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161405

RAM: 2x4gb 1600mhz ($46)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231544

Case: Haf 912 ($55)
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=55583&vpn=RC-912-KKN1&manufacture=COOLERMASTER&promoid=1048
There are lots of potential cases. This is a decent budget case. Feel free to change if you like another one's looks better, or want to pay more for a (slightly) sound-dampening case like an Antec p280 or Corsair 550d.

PSU: Antec Neo Eco 450C ($35)
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=60491&vpn=NEO-ECO450C&manufacture=Antec&promoid=1048

DVD-burner ($15)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151244

SSD: Crucial m4 128gb ($122)
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=60445&vpn=CT128M4SSD2&manufacture=CRUCIAL TECHNOLOGY&promoid=1048

HDD: Seagate 1tb ($85)
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=65701&vpn=ST1000DM003&manufacture=Seagate&promoid=1048)

Keyboard ($7)
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=63054&vpn=KB-K201-BK-P&manufacture=nGear Technologies Inc.
It's seven dollars.

Windows ($85)
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=45271&vpn=GFC-02050&manufacture=Microsoft&promoid=1048
You can get windows 8 as a free trial right now if you want to do that instead.

Monitor: Dell ultrasharp u2312hm ($235)
http://www.amazon.com/Dell-UltraSharp-U2312HM-IPS-Monitor/dp/B005LN1JEC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1340437057&sr=8-1&keywords=dell ultrasharp u2312hm
A high quality 23" IPS monitor. You may want to read the Team Liquid Monitor Thread.

Actually comes out to 1200 even, lol. Plus a $20 rebate.



but unfortunately I haven't made any headway on this build (lol) so I figure I'd ask again and a second, more up to date opinion. Also, I found a keyboard so you can scratch that off the list :p and I'm pretty sure I won't be utilizing Crossfire or SLI if you want to factor that in.

Thanks again TL community for helping!!
Epoch
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada257 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-09 02:26:46
July 09 2012 02:22 GMT
#23248
Hey, I'm trying to build a computer for 500 or less (shipping included). Basically wanna get a barebones and hdd (or whatever it's missing) or a complete for that price (minus the monitor).

Where are the best prices? I've been looking around on tigerdirect and ebay.

And what kinda system can I get for this price? Can I run sc2?

Thanks.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/IVY-BRIDGE-CORE-i5-3570K-3-4GHZ-DESKTOP-COMPUTER-NOT-BAREBONES-/180917126752?pt=Desktop_PCs&hash=item2a1f804660#ht_2856wt_1396

Been looking at this system, how does it rate for the price?
iTzSnypah
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1738 Posts
July 09 2012 02:36 GMT
#23249
On July 09 2012 09:02 mjf wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

So, a few weeks ago I posted this:

+ Show Spoiler [My OP] +
On June 23 2012 15:25 mjf wrote:
So I'm building a new desktop, and I need EVERYTHING that goes with it.. monitor, case, OS, keyboard, the works. the only things I have are a mouse and headphones.

Budget: Let's say.. no more than $1,200. I'm not too familiar with how much all the stuff would cost, but I figure since I'll need a keyboard+monitor+OS that's at least a few hundred dollars less on the computer itself.

Resolution: Since I'll be buying a monitor, this one is still open.

Use: I'll be using it for basically gaming only, no plans to do any video work or streaming, but being able to stream would be nice.

Upgrade Cycle: I do not plan on upgrading anytime soon, let's make it count!

I don't know anything about overclocking, so let's say for now that I won't be doing it. (not that I'm against it, just unfamiliar. Same thing for SLI/Crossfire)

I have a Fry's nearby, so I'll be able to pick stuff up from them if I need to.

I'll look around, but if you guys have any keyboard recommendations, I'd be glad to hear 'em

Thanks!


and was given this response by MisterFred (thanks MisterFred!):

+ Show Spoiler [MisterFred's Response] +
On June 23 2012 16:47 MisterFred wrote:
@mjf

Let's see...

CPU: i5-3450 ($190)
http://us.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=70543
Non-overclockable quad-core. Should allow streaming on at least medium quality settings.

Mobo: MSI mATX h77 ($80)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130648

GPU: HIS 7850 ($245 - $20 rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161405

RAM: 2x4gb 1600mhz ($46)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231544

Case: Haf 912 ($55)
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=55583&vpn=RC-912-KKN1&manufacture=COOLERMASTER&promoid=1048
There are lots of potential cases. This is a decent budget case. Feel free to change if you like another one's looks better, or want to pay more for a (slightly) sound-dampening case like an Antec p280 or Corsair 550d.

PSU: Antec Neo Eco 450C ($35)
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=60491&vpn=NEO-ECO450C&manufacture=Antec&promoid=1048

DVD-burner ($15)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151244

SSD: Crucial m4 128gb ($122)
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=60445&vpn=CT128M4SSD2&manufacture=CRUCIAL TECHNOLOGY&promoid=1048

HDD: Seagate 1tb ($85)
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=65701&vpn=ST1000DM003&manufacture=Seagate&promoid=1048)

Keyboard ($7)
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=63054&vpn=KB-K201-BK-P&manufacture=nGear Technologies Inc.
It's seven dollars.

Windows ($85)
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=45271&vpn=GFC-02050&manufacture=Microsoft&promoid=1048
You can get windows 8 as a free trial right now if you want to do that instead.

Monitor: Dell ultrasharp u2312hm ($235)
http://www.amazon.com/Dell-UltraSharp-U2312HM-IPS-Monitor/dp/B005LN1JEC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1340437057&sr=8-1&keywords=dell ultrasharp u2312hm
A high quality 23" IPS monitor. You may want to read the Team Liquid Monitor Thread.

Actually comes out to 1200 even, lol. Plus a $20 rebate.



but unfortunately I haven't made any headway on this build (lol) so I figure I'd ask again and a second, more up to date opinion. Also, I found a keyboard so you can scratch that off the list :p and I'm pretty sure I won't be utilizing Crossfire or SLI if you want to factor that in.

Thanks again TL community for helping!!


From Newegg:

i5-3470 & ASRock H77M $266.98
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.985615

8GB 1.5v C7 DDR3-1333 Ram $44.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148485

XFX HD7850 $209.99AMIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150617

Seagate 1.5TB 7200rpm $79.99 with promo code EMCNCNE29, ends 7/11
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148337

Rosewill Capstone 450 80+ Gold $64.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182066

DVD Burner $16.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204

ASUS VS228H-P 21.5" 5ms $149.99 x2
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236176

From Ncix:

Silverstone PS07B mATX Case $68.98AMIR
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=66764&vpn=PS07B&manufacture=Silverstone Technology

Windows 7 $84.99 w/savings code 45271-1015 ends 7/11
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=45271&promoid=1015

Total: $1137.88AMIR
Team Liquid needs more Terrans.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
July 09 2012 02:58 GMT
#23250
VS228H-P is probably not bad, but around that price you may as well just get the VS229H-P instead and have an eIPS rather than TN panel monitor.

This is really a small deal, but there are 8GB 1.5V C9 1600 MHz DDR3 RAM kits for cheaper than that, and those are slightly better. Well, I'm sure you could run pretty much any C7 1333 MHz kit at C9 1600 MHz, but it seems like an odd (but not very important at all) choice.
iTzSnypah
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1738 Posts
July 09 2012 03:00 GMT
#23251
On July 09 2012 11:58 Myrmidon wrote:
VS228H-P is probably not bad, but around that price you may as well just get the VS229H-P instead and have an eIPS rather than TN panel monitor.

This is really a small deal, but there are 8GB 1.5V C9 1600 MHz DDR3 RAM kits for cheaper than that, and those are slightly better. Well, I'm sure you could run pretty much any C7 1333 MHz kit at C9 1600 MHz, but it seems like an odd (but not very important at all) choice.

Timings have a larger effect on performance, even though it's still almost no gain.
Team Liquid needs more Terrans.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
July 09 2012 03:05 GMT
#23252
On July 09 2012 12:00 iTzSnypah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2012 11:58 Myrmidon wrote:
VS228H-P is probably not bad, but around that price you may as well just get the VS229H-P instead and have an eIPS rather than TN panel monitor.

This is really a small deal, but there are 8GB 1.5V C9 1600 MHz DDR3 RAM kits for cheaper than that, and those are slightly better. Well, I'm sure you could run pretty much any C7 1333 MHz kit at C9 1600 MHz, but it seems like an odd (but not very important at all) choice.

Timings have a larger effect on performance, even though it's still almost no gain.


Not in everything. SC2 prefers clock to timings, ever so slightly.

http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=245087

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4503/sandy-bridge-memory-scaling-choosing-the-best-ddr3/6

Anand has Crysis Warhead preferring clock to timings, 3DMark11 preferring clock, and Metro preferring timings.

7-zip prefers clock, encoding to x264 prefers clock, Cinebench likes timings... point made?

It's back and forth, with miniscule differences. Unless they're shooting for benching records, price should decide it, and if they're going for records, they probably want low voltage to tweak clock and timings easier for the best possible score.
thefourmusketeers
Profile Joined November 2011
United States28 Posts
July 09 2012 05:39 GMT
#23253
Hey guys, I'm trying to upgrade my CPU, which is a athlon II x 4. My budget is around $200, so should I just upgrade to an AMD Phenom ii x4 965 so I don't have to switch my mobo, or should I get an I3 2100 with a h61 mobo? Or the other option would be to keep saving until I could get an i5.
findingthelimit
Profile Joined May 2012
Hong Kong219 Posts
July 09 2012 14:32 GMT
#23254
i'm building a computer in a few months, and i've been checking this thread regularly, but it seems like this question i have is never addressed:

does anyone have any idea regarding the requirements to playing heart of the swarm on ultra? or have any thoughts?

specifically, do you guys think it would require a 7850/560Ti-448, or would the 6870 / 7770 suffice?

i know it's too early to talk about this- but i'm just looking for thoughts (:
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
July 09 2012 14:43 GMT
#23255
Settings should not change drastically. They might throw in additional settings so ultra now is not ultra in the future. A HD6870 is adequate for ultra now if that's what you want to know.
glabius
Profile Joined November 2011
46 Posts
July 09 2012 16:51 GMT
#23256
On July 09 2012 14:39 thefourmusketeers wrote:
Hey guys, I'm trying to upgrade my CPU, which is a athlon II x 4. My budget is around $200, so should I just upgrade to an AMD Phenom ii x4 965 so I don't have to switch my mobo, or should I get an I3 2100 with a h61 mobo? Or the other option would be to keep saving until I could get an i5.


Just save until you can get an i5. Unless SC2 is unplayable or something (or whatever game you are wanting to play)
cydial
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States750 Posts
July 09 2012 22:11 GMT
#23257
Sorry if this is a bit unrelated to the thread's topic, but if I were to build a computer and wanted to stream what was showing up on my monitor on my laptop instead of having the burden on the desktop...

what would I buy to go about doing this?
SleepyDreams
Profile Joined July 2012
600 Posts
July 10 2012 16:24 GMT
#23258
Hi guys. First time poster here. I'm looking to buy a pc for general use / gaming. Not really a hardcore gamer but I want to play Dota 2 and games like Skyrim etc on the highest settings with minimum costs involved.

Budget: 800 Dollars, can go up to 850.
Resolution: I don't have a pre existing monitor. Maybe a 1980x1080 monitor? Just want something normal for gaming. Sorry I'm kind of a noob with pc related stuff.
Using it for: Gamng and general use like microsoft word and video watching.
Upgrade cycle: No idea what this means. I'd like the computer to last about 2-3 years without upgrading as I'm only a uni student.
Plan on building: in the next week or two. So July 2012.
Overlocking: No
Operating system: Yes
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire: No
Buying my parts from: Well I plan on going to a local computer shop and giving them a quote for the stuff I want and asking them to assemble the computer for me. I think it's best to disregard this section.

Thanks heaps!
Nabutso
Profile Joined April 2011
351 Posts
July 10 2012 17:15 GMT
#23259
Honestly, a computer shop will try to oversell you parts and then charge you $100 to build it when you can do it yourself in under an hour.
MisterFred
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2033 Posts
July 10 2012 17:28 GMT
#23260
On July 10 2012 07:11 cydial wrote:
Sorry if this is a bit unrelated to the thread's topic, but if I were to build a computer and wanted to stream what was showing up on my monitor on my laptop instead of having the burden on the desktop...

what would I buy to go about doing this?


Well first off you'd want either a beastly laptop or to play on the laptop while the more powerful desktop streamed, probably. (Basically, if one is a dual core and the other is a quad core, play on the dual core, stream with the quad core.)

I think the most common way to do this is with a capture card. Basically you'd change your normal desktops video connection to look like this. Desktop's video card -> capture card input port, capture card output port -> monitor. The capture card then transfers the copied graphics data to the laptop, which streams it.

I think the most common capture cards are things like Black Magic Intensity products (for external, you may have to have USB 3.0 on your laptop), which are special because they handle uncompressed data so they don't add a fraction of a second of delay to what's happening on your screen. Hauppauge and Avermedia should have similar products, but there I think they use compressed data (so that they can interface with USB 2.0), so I'm not sure if they'd be ideal.

Now I'm typing most of this from memory, and I could be wrong, you should do a forum search for this kind of thing. You can probably find a couple of more threads like this with some creative search strings:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=346636
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