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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On April 24 2012 03:40 skyR wrote: There is like no way to even spend close to $2k without overclocking or getting a good screen. No rational way, you mean. It's easy to do, otherwise. RAID SSDs, GTX 590, $120 full tower, corsair H100 (Because water cooling is so PRO man), audiophile sound card for no good reason... | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On April 24 2012 03:40 skyR wrote: There is like no way to even spend close to $2k without overclocking or getting a good screen. So...rationally spend less than 2K! | ||
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thisisnotralph
United States101 Posts
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thisisnotralph
United States101 Posts
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=ENE&Description=asrock z77&bop=And&SecondSearch=1&CompareItemList=-1|13-157-306^13-157-306-02#,13-157-297^13-157-297-02# | ||
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Wabbit
United States1028 Posts
On April 23 2012 20:16 FA_ViPeR wrote: + Show Spoiler + Hi, I'm looking to buy a new system within the next 2-4 weeks and could use some input. I have done some research already, but still have some questions (see below). TL;DR: Need overclocked but still quiet setup for gaming and Ram-intensive work for 1500€ max! First the standard form: What is your budget? 1500 Euros max, but hopefully not needed entirely What is your resolution? 1920x1080 (will use 2 monitors, but only 1 for gaming) What are you using it for? Gaming (SC2, Diablo3, Bioware/Bethesda games, Civilization, possibly some shooters too), programming (VS 2010 mostly), running 2-3 VirtualMachines with 3-4gb RAM at once. Probably have to zip/unzip 30-50gb files twice a week. MSSQL and MySQL Servers. What is your upgrade cycle? At least 2, probably 3+ years. Possibly upgrading Graphics sooner if 3+ When do you plan on building it? 2-4 Weeks Do you plan on overclocking? CPU: yes (see question below) Graphics: possibly Do you need an Operating System? No Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? No Where are you buying your parts from? probably www.mindfactory.de (got my last 3 PCs there, low prices, fast delivery, good service) Extra infos: - USB 3.0 is a must-have. - PC will be hooked up to TV - probably don't need Bluray on PC, got a PS3 for that What I picked out so far, prices as of right now: CPU: i7 2600k or Ivybridge variant (see below) Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 (€ 64) Mainboard: ASRock Z77 Pro4 (€ 100) RAM: 16GB Corsair Vengeance LowProfile 4x 4GB DDR3-1600 (€ 90) PSU: 620W Seasonic M12II-620 80+ Bronze (€ 85) Graphics: Sapphire Radeon HD 7870 2GB (€ 290) Case: Antec P280 (€ 118) SSD: 128GB Crucial m4 (€ 120) HDD: 2TB Seagate Barracuda 7200 (€ 100) DVD: some 20 € thingy Total about 1260 €, so quite a bit below my max budget Questions / Thoughts: CPU / Overclocking / Temperature / Noise: I was planning to do slight - medium OC on the cpu, like 4.5Ghz on a 2600k at most. I figured I would get an Ivy-CPU since I was waiting for money anyway, but according to some reviews (which I found in various threads in this forum), the Ivy doesn't oc quite as well as the Sandybridge CPUs. Now with a good heatsink, 4.5 would probably still be achievable, but I am also looking to keep the noise level down as much as possible (especially idle, don't care that much about noise under load), which might become a problem in a "silent" case with Ivy's higher temperatures. Specifically I was looking at the Antec P280 case with Noctua NH-D14 cooler here. So my question: Should I play it safe and go with the 2600k, or will the Ivybridge variant be able to handle this while staying relatively quiet without overheating? Or should I even max out my budget and go with a socket2011 CPU etc? Or is it just too early to tell? Graphics Card: Pretty much the same as above, noise/temperature levels while still offering high performance. I figured performance-wise a HD7870 (maybe trying to oc to the same specs as the sold oc-version) should be good enough for the next few years at 1080p, or should I go higher and get myself the (apparently very good and even quieter and cooler) 7950? Also, which brand should fit my needs best? I figured Sapphire was a safe bet, but obviously I'm wide open for any input on this matter. Also: My 2 screens both only have VGA/DVI ports. This will probably be a problem since 7xxx generation generally only offers one DVI port. I'm guessing I can't hook up one screen on the card and one to the cpu-gpu? Any suggestions here, or should I get myself a new screen? PSU: Maybe overkill, even with OC? 520W version would be 10€ less. Mainboard: No idea honestly, especially with the Z7x stuff. Just picked one that seemed to fit my needs. RAM: I think I should be fine with 16gb, 8 will definitely fall short with more than one VM (using 3-4gb each) running. 32 should be overkill, but I'm still considering it with the current prices (should be about 200€ for 4x8gb). Speed no idea, I know 1600 isn't worth it for gaming, but with my needs it might be more noticeable? HDD: Since VMs will be on there, HDD needs to be a 7200 i think? SSD: Crucial seems to be very reliable and also quite cheap, but performance-wise offers lower numbers than others. Is this noticeable enough to warrent a not-that-reliable-and-more-expensive drive? I guess thats it, thanks in advance guys! Consolidated Ivy Bridge review links: http://www.overclock.net/t/1247353/various-intel-ivy-bridge-reviews I would get Ivy Bridge and expect to OC to 4.5GHz at most. You may want to consider the Thermalright Silver Arrow instead of the NH-D14, it cools the same at slightly lower noise level (or better at the same noise level if you use the Low Noise or Ultra Low Noise adapters on the NH-D14). 1600 MHz RAM is fine, just make sure it's 1.5V. RAM speed gains are minimal, but 1600 costs very little over 1333, and gains over 1600 are extremely negligible in pretty much all programs and games. Mobo should be fine. You can indeed get the 520W version of PSU and it would still be plenty of overkill (the fan will always run at a very low speed). For the graphics card, I can't tell you if it will be quiet because I don't know which model heatsink the one you selected has. 7870 is fine for 1080p 60Hz gaming. Can max or nearly max pretty much everything. EDIT: About the screens: hook one up via DVI and the other with a passive HDMI->DVI adapter. Don't use VGA (I originally misread your post, thought one of your monitors was VGA only). Womwomwom (and others) can probably chime in here. I would get a 7200RPM HDD no matter what. Just in case you ever want to actually install programs to it and not wait a lot more for a 5400/5900 RPM drive to load. It shouldn't be audible inside the P280 anyway. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On April 24 2012 04:14 thisisnotralph wrote:+ Show Spoiler + are there any negatives to getting a microatx mobo? i.e. the asrock z77 pro3 and z77 pro4m are the same price, and i don't see any difference except for the 4 being micro? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=ENE&Description=asrock z77&bop=And&SecondSearch=1&CompareItemList=-1|13-157-306^13-157-306-02#,13-157-297^13-157-297-02# None really. The Pro4-M is better. | ||
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MisterFred
United States2033 Posts
The game performance page in the Bit Tech review: http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2012/04/23/intel-core-i7-3770k-review/7 Interesting to note that in some rare applications Ivy Bridge may be a major improvement. The heat issue for overclocks doesn't seem like a big deal for 95% of overclockers who aren't looking to go above 4.5ish, so the only downsides for Ivy Bridge seems to be for people who want to heavily push an overclock or a higher price tag than Sandy Bridge. We'll have to see how long Sandy Bridge specials continue. | ||
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Shauni
4077 Posts
What is the price difference between the i5k and non k? Non k models can still be overclocked by fsb right? | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
The difference between a 3570k and 3550 is going to be like $20, similar to a 2500 and 2500k. Ivybridge equivalents actually have a lower MSRP than Sandybridge. | ||
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NinjoOb
Canada128 Posts
On April 24 2012 03:23 skyR wrote: $655: You can probably go lower for the video card. Intel Core i5 2400 @ $190 http://ncix.com/products/?sku=57964&promoid=1230 ASUS Radeon HD6770 @ $103 ($83 after mail in rebate) http://ncix.com/products/?sku=68750&promoid=1230 MSI H61M-P21 @ $53 http://ncix.com/products/?sku=59106&promoid=1201 Mushkin 2x4GB 1333MHz @ $40 http://ncix.com/products/?sku=55544&promoid=1259 Antec High Current Gamer 400 @ $45 ($30 after mail in rebate) http://ncix.com/products/?sku=56786&promoid=1387 DVD Burner @ $17 (pricematch with http://www.bestdirect.ca/products/239388/LG_Electronics/GH24NS90/ ) http://ncix.com/products/?sku=66853&promoid=1259 Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB @ $78 http://ncix.com/products/?sku=58402&promoid=1230 Bitfenix Merc Alpha @ $31 (pricematch with http://www.computers-canada.ca/store/products/1027013045/BFC-MRC-100-KKX1-RP /BitFenix/ ) http://ncix.com/products/?sku=63256 Windows 7 Home Premium x64 @ $98 (pricematch with http://www.hltechnology.com/one_prod.php?pid=209982 ) http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=45271 Thanks Skyr, but only the graphics card link seems to work, the others just lead me to the main page. I checked the parts themselves though, I don't see the promo on the i5 2400, the mobo is listed at 53$ but when I add to cart it shows the regular price of 58$, the ram seems to be sold out, I see the psu for 30$, but again when I add it to cart, it shows the full price of 75$. Are the promos over ? I went all the way to the checkout to see if they would update the prices with the sale's prices but it didn't seem to change. Am I doing something terribly wrong ? | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
The power supply adds to cart for $45. The motherboard adds to cart for $53. Core i5 2400 price can be found on sale page or pricematched. Most of these promos don't end until the 25th or 30th. | ||
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xrapture
United States1644 Posts
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On April 24 2012 06:18 xrapture wrote: What about people that have no clue about computers so obviously can't put it together. Are there any $600 options for a decent rig? You can watch the hardware canucks build guide on youtube and realize that it's actually only slightly more difficult than changing a tire? | ||
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xrapture
United States1644 Posts
On April 24 2012 06:19 JingleHell wrote: You can watch the hardware canucks build guide on youtube and realize that it's actually only slightly more difficult than changing a tire? lol well sucks for me because i don't know how to change a tire either. | ||
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Shauni
4077 Posts
On April 24 2012 06:18 xrapture wrote: What about people that have no clue about computers so obviously can't put it together. Are there any $600 options for a decent rig? I dunno about in USA, but most if not all internet computer stores have a kit you can order so that they assemble it for you for a fee (usually around 50$). Will still be a lot cheaper and better than getting any branded computer. And building a computer isn't exactly rocket science. You don't even need to read a manual, screws are obvious and (most) cables are failsafe. Just be careful with CPU pins and everything should go smooth. | ||
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
On April 24 2012 02:50 thisisnotralph wrote: care to dumb it down for us noobs? what i understood is that the ivy bridge doesn't overclock as well as sandy. and if you want to tweak it, it gets extremely hot (i.e. needs advanced cooling)? so for people like me, that planned to overclock an i5 very casually (as in, maybe just up to low to mid 4's with sandy), would it be better to get the i5 ivy equivelant and just overclock it a tinnny bit? find this stuff interesting, but always helps when someone knowledgable can explain these dense articles. ive doing alot of reading to help decide what my next upgrade should be. what i've discovered: most people clock their SBs to 4.5ghz - 4.6ghz with nominal voltages and mid-high temps (65-75c). pushing to 4.8 and beyond requires much more voltage and results in much higher temps. it also seems to rely on the quality of the specific chip. a handful can hit 5ghz, many cannot. a 4.5ghz ivy will very much outperform a 4.5ghz sb, with 1) much lower power consumption, but 2) around the same heat output. you could technically go for either a sandy or ivy, but there's no reason not to go with ivy. only if sandys see a significant price drop would you think about buying one. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
On April 24 2012 06:47 a176 wrote: a 4.5ghz ivy will very much outperform a 4.5ghz sb, with 1) much lower power consumption, but 2) around the same heat output. I think you mean to say similar temperatures. I don't see how you would have much lower power consumption (which almost all gets turned into waste heat) without lower heat output. | ||
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thisisnotralph
United States101 Posts
I actually am having more fun researching prices and stuff than i thought i would. i could picture myself being bummed out once I build the computer, if only for the fact that I won't have an excuse to waste all my time skimming the web for amazing deals. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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TheMooseHeed
United Kingdom535 Posts
Here is my final build if anyone has any last minute revsions I can make please feel free to say  Intel Core i5-2500K 189 euros HIS HD 6870 143 euros ASRock P67 Pro3 (B3) 78 euros 4GB Corsair 18 euros LG GH22NS50/70/90 bare schwarz 18 euros BitFenix Shinobi 53 euros Super-Flower Amazon 80Plus 450W 41 euros WD Caviar Blue 500GB SATA 3 6Gb/s 66 euros I was planning to buy a 212 heatsink but they are no longer stocked. If anyone could suggeest another I would be greatfull So the total not including win7 and the heatsink is around 610 euros+ postage | ||
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