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Puph
Canada635 Posts
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phar
United States1080 Posts
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FA_ViPeR
Germany187 Posts
TL;DR: Need overclocked but still quiet setup for gaming and Ram-intensive work for 1500€ max! First the standard form: What is your budget? 1500 Euros max, but hopefully not needed entirely What is your resolution? 1920x1080 (will use 2 monitors, but only 1 for gaming) What are you using it for? Gaming (SC2, Diablo3, Bioware/Bethesda games, Civilization, possibly some shooters too), programming (VS 2010 mostly), running 2-3 VirtualMachines with 3-4gb RAM at once. Probably have to zip/unzip 30-50gb files twice a week. MSSQL and MySQL Servers. What is your upgrade cycle? At least 2, probably 3+ years. Possibly upgrading Graphics sooner if 3+ When do you plan on building it? 2-4 Weeks Do you plan on overclocking? CPU: yes (see question below) Graphics: possibly Do you need an Operating System? No Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? No Where are you buying your parts from? probably www.mindfactory.de (got my last 3 PCs there, low prices, fast delivery, good service) Extra infos: - USB 3.0 is a must-have. - PC will be hooked up to TV - probably don't need Bluray on PC, got a PS3 for that What I picked out so far, prices as of right now: CPU: i7 2600k or Ivybridge variant (see below) Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 (€ 64) Mainboard: ASRock Z77 Pro4 (€ 100) RAM: 16GB Corsair Vengeance LowProfile 4x 4GB DDR3-1600 (€ 90) PSU: 620W Seasonic M12II-620 80+ Bronze (€ 85) Graphics: Sapphire Radeon HD 7870 2GB (€ 290) Case: Antec P280 (€ 118) SSD: 128GB Crucial m4 (€ 120) HDD: 2TB Seagate Barracuda 7200 (€ 100) DVD: some 20 € thingy Total about 1260 €, so quite a bit below my max budget Questions / Thoughts: CPU / Overclocking / Temperature / Noise: I was planning to do slight - medium OC on the cpu, like 4.5Ghz on a 2600k at most. I figured I would get an Ivy-CPU since I was waiting for money anyway, but according to some reviews (which I found in various threads in this forum), the Ivy doesn't oc quite as well as the Sandybridge CPUs. Now with a good heatsink, 4.5 would probably still be achievable, but I am also looking to keep the noise level down as much as possible (especially idle, don't care that much about noise under load), which might become a problem in a "silent" case with Ivy's higher temperatures. Specifically I was looking at the Antec P280 case with Noctua NH-D14 cooler here. So my question: Should I play it safe and go with the 2600k, or will the Ivybridge variant be able to handle this while staying relatively quiet without overheating? Or should I even max out my budget and go with a socket2011 CPU etc? Or is it just too early to tell? Graphics Card: Pretty much the same as above, noise/temperature levels while still offering high performance. I figured performance-wise a HD7870 (maybe trying to oc to the same specs as the sold oc-version) should be good enough for the next few years at 1080p, or should I go higher and get myself the (apparently very good and even quieter and cooler) 7950? Also, which brand should fit my needs best? I figured Sapphire was a safe bet, but obviously I'm wide open for any input on this matter. Also: My 2 screens both only have VGA/DVI ports. This will probably be a problem since 7xxx generation generally only offers one DVI port. I'm guessing I can't hook up one screen on the card and one to the cpu-gpu? Any suggestions here, or should I get myself a new screen? PSU: Maybe overkill, even with OC? 520W version would be 10€ less. Mainboard: No idea honestly, especially with the Z7x stuff. Just picked one that seemed to fit my needs. RAM: I think I should be fine with 16gb, 8 will definitely fall short with more than one VM (using 3-4gb each) running. 32 should be overkill, but I'm still considering it with the current prices (should be about 200€ for 4x8gb). Speed no idea, I know 1600 isn't worth it for gaming, but with my needs it might be more noticeable? HDD: Since VMs will be on there, HDD needs to be a 7200 i think? SSD: Crucial seems to be very reliable and also quite cheap, but performance-wise offers lower numbers than others. Is this noticeable enough to warrent a not-that-reliable-and-more-expensive drive? I guess thats it, thanks in advance guys! | ||
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Shauni
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I'd upgrade, but then again I can't find any info on 78xx or gtx 6xx compatibility for my aftermarket heatsink Peter... And I really want to move it over if I upgrade, as the cooling is amazing and you can basically run it passive. If I upgrade, I'm pretty much limited to 69xx or 68xx and I'm not sure the increased performance from gtx 460 is enough to warrant the upgrade. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
@FA_ViPeR: Overpriced PSU, I'd rather go with a Super Flower Golden Green 450. Really good price-performance. Assuming mobo is Pro3 it's a good one, never heard of pro4. NH-D14 is overkill in my opinion, I'd rather go for something like Thermalright Macho that has awesome price-performance and if you read the reviews, it's incredibly silent. Rest seems logical though I'm not sure about the case. | ||
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Uberfetus
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On April 24 2012 00:16 Uberfetus wrote: Will a Z77 G45 motherboard support ivybridge i5 processors? Uhh, that would be the general idea, yes. | ||
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Puph
Canada635 Posts
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NinjoOb
Canada128 Posts
What is her budget? Not sure, but the cheaper the better. Is it possible for under 700$ ? What is your resolution? Not sure, the monitor she uses is quite old, but she might get a new one. In any case, it won't be a ridiculously high res. What are you using it for? She will use it mainly for photoshop and maybe a few games like d3. It doesn't need to be able to do much more than that. What is your upgrade cycle? She will probably use it until it breaks down completely. When do you plan on building it? Asap Do you plan on overclocking? No Do you need an Operating System? Yes. (probably win7) Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? No Where are you buying your parts from? Probably NCIX like last time, I live in Canada. (they have a sale atm!) Thank you for any help ! | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On April 24 2012 00:52 Puph wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Any case suggestions? Should I go for Mid ATX or High ATX case? Is it remotely possible to buy an incompatible/horrible airflow case? What is high-ATX? You mean full tower? Your budget doesn't allow for a full tower. As long as you don't buy a case with a side fan, most cases will be able to fit a Hyper 212+ in it. Most of the cases you buy from major manufacturers all move a decent amount of air. | ||
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thisisnotralph
United States101 Posts
On April 24 2012 01:30 skyR wrote: http://www.anandtech.com/show/5763/undervolting-and-overclocking-on-ivy-bridge care to dumb it down for us noobs? what i understood is that the ivy bridge doesn't overclock as well as sandy. and if you want to tweak it, it gets extremely hot (i.e. needs advanced cooling)? so for people like me, that planned to overclock an i5 very casually (as in, maybe just up to low to mid 4's with sandy), would it be better to get the i5 ivy equivelant and just overclock it a tinnny bit? find this stuff interesting, but always helps when someone knowledgable can explain these dense articles. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
This is my first foray into PC building. Now, the thing is, I am very good at PC repairs (have even repaired broken fans and the like on laptops) so I'm not worthless, but I am deathly afraid of compatibility issues and plain out forgetting something. What is your budget? $2k, its flexible. What is your resolution? IDK. 21" or so. I do not need a large monitor. What are you using it for? The only taxing thing is likely to be gaming (is that even taxing anymore?). Perhaps some coding and 3d graphing but usually that is not too memory intensive. What is your upgrade cycle? 2-4 years When do you plan on building it? 1-2 weeks. Do you plan on overclocking? Nay, this sounds too ambitious. Do you need an Operating System? Currently have an unused Windows 7 64 bit Ult Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? ? Where are you buying your parts from? I figured Newegg, perhaps there are other American sources to buy from, but I am no expert. Basically, I am thinking i7 + 8(12? GB) Ram surrounded by other things. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On April 24 2012 02:50 thisisnotralph wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On April 24 2012 01:30 skyR wrote: http://www.anandtech.com/show/5763/undervolting-and-overclocking-on-ivy-bridge care to dumb it down for us noobs? what i understood is that the ivy bridge doesn't overclock as well as sandy. and if you want to tweak it, it gets extremely hot (i.e. needs advanced cooling)? so for people like me, that planned to overclock an i5 very casually (as in, maybe just up to low to mid 4's with sandy), would it be better to get the i5 ivy equivelant and just overclock it a tinnny bit? find this stuff interesting, but always helps when someone knowledgable can explain these dense articles. The die is smaller and there are more transistors so your typical low-budget heatsinks can't transfer heat fast enough to keep it at reasonable temperatures when you increase the voltages to reach the higher clocks. Ivybridge is fine for the majority of people since 4.5GHz is still easily achievable. But whether you get a 2500k or 3570k really depends on pricing. A 2500k can regularly be found for $200 while a 3570k might start at $230. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On April 24 2012 00:58 NinjoOb wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Hi, I'm putting together a PC for my sister. What is her budget? Not sure, but the cheaper the better. Is it possible for under 700$ ? What is your resolution? Not sure, the monitor she uses is quite old, but she might get a new one. In any case, it won't be a ridiculously high res. What are you using it for? She will use it mainly for photoshop and maybe a few games like d3. It doesn't need to be able to do much more than that. What is your upgrade cycle? She will probably use it until it breaks down completely. When do you plan on building it? Asap Do you plan on overclocking? No Do you need an Operating System? Yes. (probably win7) Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? No Where are you buying your parts from? Probably NCIX like last time, I live in Canada. (they have a sale atm!) Thank you for any help ! $655: You can probably go lower for the video card. Intel Core i5 2400 @ $190 http://ncix.com/products/?sku=57964&promoid=1230 ASUS Radeon HD6770 @ $103 ($83 after mail in rebate) http://ncix.com/products/?sku=68750&promoid=1230 MSI H61M-P21 @ $53 http://ncix.com/products/?sku=59106&promoid=1201 Mushkin 2x4GB 1333MHz @ $40 http://ncix.com/products/?sku=55544&promoid=1259 Antec High Current Gamer 400 @ $45 ($30 after mail in rebate) http://ncix.com/products/?sku=56786&promoid=1387 DVD Burner @ $17 (pricematch with http://www.bestdirect.ca/products/239388/LG_Electronics/GH24NS90/ ) http://ncix.com/products/?sku=66853&promoid=1259 Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB @ $78 http://ncix.com/products/?sku=58402&promoid=1230 Bitfenix Merc Alpha @ $31 (pricematch with http://www.computers-canada.ca/store/products/1027013045/BFC-MRC-100-KKX1-RP /BitFenix/ ) http://ncix.com/products/?sku=63256 Windows 7 Home Premium x64 @ $98 (pricematch with http://www.hltechnology.com/one_prod.php?pid=209982 ) http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=45271 | ||
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thisisnotralph
United States101 Posts
On April 24 2012 03:07 skyR wrote: The die is smaller and there are more transistors so your typical low-budget heatsinks can't transfer heat fast enough to keep it at reasonable temperatures when you increase the voltages to reach the higher clocks. Ivybridge is fine for the majority of people since 4.5GHz is still easily achievable. But whether you get a 2500k or 3570k really depends on pricing. A 2500k can regularly be found for $200 while a 3570k might start at $230. makes sense. if you had a choice, would you throw a 3570k on a P67 mobo (i.e. asrock pro3), or would you upgrade to a H77 board or one of those "ivy prepped" mobos? i never know whether it's a legit upgrade or just a marketing ploy. | ||
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BeMannerDuPenner
Germany5638 Posts
On April 24 2012 03:29 thisisnotralph wrote: makes sense. if you had a choice, would you throw a 3570k on a P67 mobo (i.e. asrock pro3), or would you upgrade to a H77 board or one of those "ivy prepped" mobos? i never know whether it's a legit upgrade or just a marketing ploy. afaik it would be quite the waste to put in on a old board since they dont support the stuff that makes the difference between the 2500k and 3570k (pci 3.0 etc). so you pay the extra price only for the lower tdp. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On April 24 2012 03:29 thisisnotralph wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On April 24 2012 03:07 skyR wrote: The die is smaller and there are more transistors so your typical low-budget heatsinks can't transfer heat fast enough to keep it at reasonable temperatures when you increase the voltages to reach the higher clocks. Ivybridge is fine for the majority of people since 4.5GHz is still easily achievable. But whether you get a 2500k or 3570k really depends on pricing. A 2500k can regularly be found for $200 while a 3570k might start at $230. makes sense. if you had a choice, would you throw a 3570k on a P67 mobo (i.e. asrock pro3), or would you upgrade to a H77 board or one of those "ivy prepped" mobos? i never know whether it's a legit upgrade or just a marketing ploy. H61, H67, and P67 need a BIOS update to support Ivybridge so you can't throw a 3570k in there without first having a Sandybridge. H77 does not allow for overclocking. You need a Z77. | ||
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thisisnotralph
United States101 Posts
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On April 24 2012 02:53 cLutZ wrote:+ Show Spoiler + [Repost b/c I was told to wait a bit] This is my first foray into PC building. Now, the thing is, I am very good at PC repairs (have even repaired broken fans and the like on laptops) so I'm not worthless, but I am deathly afraid of compatibility issues and plain out forgetting something. What is your budget? $2k, its flexible. What is your resolution? IDK. 21" or so. I do not need a large monitor. What are you using it for? The only taxing thing is likely to be gaming (is that even taxing anymore?). Perhaps some coding and 3d graphing but usually that is not too memory intensive. What is your upgrade cycle? 2-4 years When do you plan on building it? 1-2 weeks. Do you plan on overclocking? Nay, this sounds too ambitious. Do you need an Operating System? Currently have an unused Windows 7 64 bit Ult Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? ? Where are you buying your parts from? I figured Newegg, perhaps there are other American sources to buy from, but I am no expert. Basically, I am thinking i7 + 8(12? GB) Ram surrounded by other things. There is like no way to even spend close to $2k without overclocking or getting a good screen. | ||
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