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Man I'm trying to invest in a new mouse and just don't know what to do.
Currently I have an mx518 at home and a Logitech wheel mouse at work.
The mx518 I find really hard to use with a fingertip grip. It's a bit big and bulky with it's high arch and the way there's a ridge for the side buttons makes the grip less ideal to me so usually I end up holding it in a palm grip.
The Logitech wheel mouse at work feels great though in terms of size with it's lower arch and smaller size and weight. Just naturally I spend all day gripping this mouse in a fingertip style like I want for SC2.
Anyways I'm looking at a few mice and dunno what to do.
Spectre - The pros are it's small arch and length and the fact it has 5 buttons*, the cons are $80 for APM TECHNOLOGY.
Abyssus - Bigger than the spectre, but also cheaper and not as wide. Has a bigger arch and no 4th and 5th buttons though
Salmosa - A bit harder to find, clearly very small but the DPI is a bit dated at 1800 and I hear the mouse buttons sweak. Also very cheap though which seems like a plus. No 4th and 5th buttons. It seems like I'd rather just spend the extra money for the Spectre to get the 4th and 5th buttons.
Steel Series Kinzu - Also small and compact with a nice low arch. No 4th/5th buttons. Good price though. My main complaint is that I haven't heard a lot about this mouse.
Hmm choices choices. If only I could actually put these mice in my hand before having to decide whether or not it's a good buy.
*5 buttons aren't essential to me, but it is nice because you can use thumb for voice comms.
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Personally I love my Razer Mamba
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im currently on a logitech lx7, but most logitech i tryed work fine
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Razer Naga
Has been really good for me so far 
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I use an Intellimouse for FPS and a Logitech Optical Mini for non-FPS. I love both.
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Razer Deathadder. If you're right-handed and choose anything else the drugs you are taking are obscuring your ability to select a good mouse.
Also only around $40
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Really it depends what grip you use.
I'm fingertip and I really like my Razer Salmosa
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Just use any mouse. A "gamer" mouse really isn't going to improve your gameplay in any way.
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On July 24 2010 04:31 cHuT.LoL wrote:
Just use any mouse. A "gamer" mouse really isn't going to improve your gameplay in any way.
Disagree. A "gamer mouse" won't, but a good mouse will. Upon switching from G5 to Deathadder in Warsow, my accuracy spiked some 15%. It had WAY higher top speed than the G5 (and most default cheap mice, for that matter), which allowed me to use the low sensitivity that is needed in games like that. Furthermore, it doesn't suffer from negative/positive acceleration, meaning that your aim will be more consistent. And that is switching from a good mouse to a better mouse.
Now compare going from a skipping cheap optical to a good mouse.
If you're talking purely about RTS, perhaps, but I can imagine that having good micro is nigh impossible if you have an unreliable mouse.
I never really felt the difference until I tried a better one. Many people simply don't even realize their mouse has a top speed, simply because they instinctively keep it under that speed or else it will skip. Once you feel that you could have been going 3x as fast and it was your mouse holding you back, you'll think differently though.
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On July 23 2010 18:17 Deckkie wrote:
So im thinking about buying the imperator or the G9x. I have heard that the imperator has problems when you pick it up (supposedly when you pick up the mouse the arrow moves a little to the lower right) can anyone who has the imperator comment on this, and tell if it's true, and yes if its much of a burden?
Yeah, it's true.
To be honest, I never noticed this before I've read it and tried it.
I have to barely reposition it, because I'm playing @ 2000DPI with the standard SC2-sensitivity on a huge mousepad (Razer Destructor).
Are you allowed to return products for some time (2 weeks here in Germany) after you bought them?
So you could try, if this bugs you.
Technically speaking it seems to be an issue of the sensor, used for the Imperator.
It's called "Philips Twin-Eye".
Mice, using this sensor:
-Razer Mamba
-Razer Naga
-Razer Lachesis
-Razer Imperator
-Silverstone Raven
The problem with this sensor is, that it tracks Z-Axis movement and reacts to it with a diagonal movement of the mouse cursor.
I have to say though, that I can only notice this issue, if I lift it a little and then put it back on the mousepad without moving it while it's lifted.
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I recently purchased a Mionix Naos 5000. Hadn't heard of this company before, but reading some of the reviews impressed me and I decided to try out this Swedish made mouse.
The Mionix Naos 5000 is fully awesome. It has awesome tracking, and possibly the best scroll-wheel I have had the pleasure to scroll. It also is the most comfortable mouse I have ever groped, destroying my DeathAdder hands-down. I can alternate from palm-to-claw easily and comfortably, and the superb weight-cubes allow the mouse to be light or heavy (without them it's quite light and perfect for my RTS sessions).
If you have some money I would definitely recommend this mouse:
http://www.mionix.net/page.php?al=naos5000
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On July 24 2010 05:08 SB.Legendary wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2010 18:17 Deckkie wrote:
So im thinking about buying the imperator or the G9x. I have heard that the imperator has problems when you pick it up (supposedly when you pick up the mouse the arrow moves a little to the lower right) can anyone who has the imperator comment on this, and tell if it's true, and yes if its much of a burden? Yeah, it's true. To be honest, I never noticed this before I've read it and tried it. I have to barely reposition it, because I'm playing @ 2000DPI with the standard SC2-sensitivity on a huge mousepad (Razer Destructor). Are you allowed to return products for some time (2 weeks here in Germany) after you bought them? So you could try, if this bugs you. Technically speaking it seems to be an issue of the sensor, used for the Imperator. It's called "Philips Twin-Eye". Mice, using this sensor: -Razer Mamba -Razer Naga -Razer Lachesis -Razer Imperator -Silverstone Raven The problem with this sensor is, that it tracks Z-Axis movement and reacts to it with a diagonal movement of the mouse cursor. I have to say though, that I can only notice this issue, if I lift it a little and then put it back on the mousepad without moving it while it's lifted.
Thanks a lot :D
but in the end I bought the logitech G9x... great mouse, love the unorthodox look of it ^^
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Most Razer mice have Mouse prediction and acceleration - (which you definetely don't want) - and/or don't work on cloth, pretty unreliable i don't recommend them, only the earliest models like the optical Diamondback 1600 dpi are even worth contemplating - which Razer don't actually produce anymore.
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On July 24 2010 06:41 DeMusliM wrote:
Most Razer mice have Mouse prediction and acceleration - (which you definetely don't want) - and/or don't work on cloth, pretty unreliable i don't recommend them, only the earliest models like the optical Diamondback 1600 dpi are even worth contemplating - which Razer don't actually produce anymore.
My Deathadder works especially well on cloth (Everglide Titan, when compared to Exactmat, various Corepad and Icemat).Your mileage may vary, as with any mouse/pad combination.
Also, I can't speak for all Razer mice since I haven't nearly tried them all, but the Deathadder in particular was scientifically tested and found to have the highest control speed and lowest negative acceleration of all mice tested, including the IE3.0, 1.1, MX518 and 510(overclocked and non-overclocked).
Also, there is a driver option/firmware upgrade for basically all Razer mice since the Boomslang that allows you to disable the prediction function.
I'm not saying all Razer mice are perfect, but you can't really make sweeping statements like that when there is definitive evidence to the contrary.
Funnily, the model you recommend is notorious for it's sketchy build quality and acceleration. More or less everything after the diamondback was better on that front.
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i dont think there is the best mouse to use...
its just about personal preferences. im using logitech mice since im playing games on a competetive level because the size of it just fits my hand. i tried using a razer diamondback but i just cant stand it...
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On July 24 2010 06:41 DeMusliM wrote:
Most Razer mice have Mouse prediction and acceleration - (which you definetely don't want) - and/or don't work on cloth, pretty unreliable i don't recommend them, only the earliest models like the optical Diamondback 1600 dpi are even worth contemplating - which Razer don't actually produce anymore.
Abyssus doesnt. It's a great mouse, similar to lachesis but without the mouse prediction+acceleration.
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My intelli mouse has been my favorite mouse that I got with my computer with 2006. Gone through many samples at best buy (they have a 30 day return policy) and ended up returning all of them. Finally replaced my old one with a new intelli because the middle button went to shit (not that it affected my SC), as it would sometimes not register a click and othertimes register it as 3 clicks (made it annoying for browsing the internet).
Def the best gaming mouse I've ever used.
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Depends on your grip. I use a palm grip, and as a result of that pretty much any mouse but the Deathadder is a worse choice.
Funnily, the model you recommend is notorious for it's sketchy build quality and acceleration. More or less everything after the diamondback was better on that front.
Really? I bought the Copperhead when it came out and it was awful compared to the Diamondback in pretty much every area.
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I appreciate Razer for sponsering and taking interest in bettering the E-Sport scene but they are epic fail IMO...
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On July 24 2010 10:19 kzn wrote:
Depends on your grip. I use a palm grip, and as a result of that pretty much any mouse but the Deathadder is a worse choice.
The imperator is for palm grip users as well, I'm thinking about getting it.
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