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kingcomrade
Profile Joined August 2007
United States115 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-27 08:35:57
June 27 2009 08:34 GMT
#1
I think something that added a lot of interesting flavor to War3 were all the neutral creeps and mercenaries. While you can debate about having mercenaries or whatever in the game, I was wondering if there would be a bunch of extra-factional units to mess around with in custom maps, campaign, etc.

Honestly I miss the Firebat. I think they ought to replace the Reaper's silly Halo dual wielding pistols (I guess in SC1 you had guys with rifles shooting down gigantic space cruisers...and hydras squirting on tanks) with the Firebat's flamethrowers, but anyway as that's out of the question would units like the Firebat, and "neutral" flavor units, be in the game at all? Has anything been said or shown?
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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66248 Posts
June 27 2009 08:37 GMT
#2
Custom games, yes...

And to normal games, no. We don't want another wc3
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kingcomrade
Profile Joined August 2007
United States115 Posts
June 27 2009 08:42 GMT
#3
That's nice, I wasn't asking about whether you like warcraft 3 or not, I asked if anything had actually been shown, and do they exist
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plated.rawr
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Norway1676 Posts
June 27 2009 08:45 GMT
#4
I'm pretty sure they've already stated that all the SC:BW units will be present in the editor of SC2, as well as other single-player only-units and other discarded units. While I'm doubting it'll be as plentiful as the WC3 creature list due to the creep system you described, it should still be a lot more than what you'll see during the beta.

As for the game, I'm sure the campaign will include usage of scenario-dependant neutral 'mercenary' units and characters, as well as random 'creep' camps, but since I'm pretty sure that even while the editor does have the possibility to add experience gain to hero-tagged units, this won't be used in the single player campaign, so I wouldn't be expecting WC3-esque creeping or anything similar to that.
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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66248 Posts
June 27 2009 08:45 GMT
#5
It was mentioned somewhere they didn't want this to become another warcraft 3, hence it won't be in normal games
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kingcomrade
Profile Joined August 2007
United States115 Posts
June 27 2009 08:47 GMT
#6
'm pretty sure they've already stated that all the SC:BW units will be present in the editor of SC2, as well as other single-player only-units and other discarded units.

Very cool, thanks.
hence it won't be in normal games

I wasn't asking about normal games
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Suc
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia1569 Posts
June 27 2009 09:12 GMT
#7
I think it's very likely that these things will be in the campaign at some point, not like buying units from a shop or anything, probably you rescue it and gain control of it.

And I have no doubt that these can be used in the map editor for custom games.
Chodorkovskiy
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Israel459 Posts
June 27 2009 11:11 GMT
#8
User generated content was critical to the success of WCIII and, for a large part, BW. From what Blizzard seems to try and make of SCII, actual MP units will take up about 3% of the total unit selection.

On June 27 2009 17:34 kingcomrade wrote:
Honestly I miss the Firebat. I think they ought to replace the Reaper's silly Halo dual wielding pistols ... with the Firebat's flamethrowers


I'd just have Marauders swap weapons with Hellions. Then again, I'm a n00b and wouldn't know balance if it hit me in the face.
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ToT)OjKa(
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Korea (South)2437 Posts
June 27 2009 11:26 GMT
#9
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Count9
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China10928 Posts
June 27 2009 11:51 GMT
#10
I think they said somewhere they'll have the old units in map editor. As for neutral units, they'll probably have the Xel'Naga and all their fun toys but I don't know about creeplike things
Darcey
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden35 Posts
June 27 2009 12:06 GMT
#11
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Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-27 12:12:14
June 27 2009 12:10 GMT
#12
Yes, all old units in the editor, probably a bunch of campaign specific ones as well.

There's really nothing wrong with the option to have neutral units in a map btw, you don't have to use it, up to the map maker really. Armies of Exigo had a few maps with neutral units blocking expos / merc camps (majority of maps were just like regular BW maps, but nothing wrong with variety).
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Patriot.dlk
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Sweden5462 Posts
June 27 2009 13:07 GMT
#13
Could be like take the long route or kill these 10 units in the middle... Sounds fun to me in 1/5 maps
Superiorwolf
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States5509 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-27 13:23:43
June 27 2009 13:22 GMT
#14
... You can already make neutral and/or hostile and/or friendly factions in the Starcraft editor right now. Haven't you played those things called UMS?
They probably won't be implemented in Blizzard normal maps, but user mapmakers probably will implement them after the game is out for a while.
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Shizuru~
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Malaysia1676 Posts
June 27 2009 13:30 GMT
#15
More pandabearguy!
Toxiferous
Profile Joined June 2009
United States388 Posts
June 27 2009 13:47 GMT
#16
we won't see anything like that, blizzard doesn't wanna make it even more like war3

as for models it won't be near as much as War3 I don't think but the map editor is supposed to be superior in every way. Besides, people always imported their own models to War3 maps too
ix
Profile Joined July 2003
United Kingdom184 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-27 18:07:57
June 27 2009 14:05 GMT
#17
There's really nothing wrong with the option to have neutral units in a map btw, you don't have to use it, up to the map maker really.


It's a bit of a nightmare to balance with all the racial differences when applied to killing neutral creatures and potential to abuse AI. Multiplayer games should be just that, neutral units are a gimmick and their role is more effectively achieved by 0 value mineral patches and neutral buildings that must be destroyed.
spkim1
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada286 Posts
June 27 2009 14:09 GMT
#18
I agree with most ppl that old units will be in the map editor/campaign. Dunno if they'll be "neutral" units though. There were neutral units in SCBW as well, just that they were non-hostile. I think adding hostile neutral units to Starcraft 2, a game that doesn't have heroes (in skirmishes), would defy the point of their being there. After all, the neutrals in WC3 were, inter alia, so your hero got stronger by killing them...
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Mykill
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada3402 Posts
June 27 2009 14:31 GMT
#19
Im sure they'll include critters.
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SirNeb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States243 Posts
June 27 2009 14:41 GMT
#20
Personally, creeps were one of the reason I never made the transition to war3. Adding creeps and heroes is so so much worse than like quadtriple geyser or like auto ai macro/microing.
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