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On March 12 2008 00:31 a11 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2008 23:26 Zzoram wrote:
"As far as new units go, we've so far got some hands-on time with the Roaches, which are ground units with a remarkably quick regeneration rate and are capable of attacking land and air. With a group of only six we were able to take down several Terran Thors (massive walking tanks) without a single unit loss." - IGN
That will be nerfed soon enough... right? I think they were just too stupid to focus fire them down one by one. Show nested quote +On March 12 2008 00:02 Klockan3 wrote:On March 11 2008 23:26 Zzoram wrote:
That will be nerfed soon enough... right? Ofcourse, we are talking about Blizzard aren't we? I mean lowering their reggen and reducing max hp to tweak them into being usefull but not overpowered can't be that hard, just like how they rebalance everything. Doing that would screw over the whole concept of this unit. Putting down the HP und increasing the rate of regeneration seems more likely to me, in case this unit does indeed need any balancing at all.
no one of the pro-gamers said that the roaches were very hard to kill too, he said he had to focus fire each one but that means its pretty difficult to kill other units if your using all your power to kill one unit
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On March 12 2008 00:42 BlackStar wrote:
Dudes, it's a new game. It will be different.
How can we know already if this is better or worse?
Instead worry about MBS.
You keep saying the same shit that it is a different game so people have to accept it. People are speculating on what can happen and there is nothing wrong with that. The game isn't out yet there has been a lot of changes to the game because people didn't like it.
Pros had some complaints about SC2, but none of them are complaining about the MBS.
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I wonder what is the weakness of the Nydus Worms.
The pros of the Overlord drops was that you can drop a monster army into your opponent's base that can easily destroy the base. Overlords were cheap and plentiful too.
The weakness of the Overlord drop is that people can scout it and intercept its route. From what I seen of the Nydus Worms, it can go anywhere and the opponent can't see it.
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I always find it funny how game reviewers tend to call a particular strategy very good, and deem certain units over powered. Lets face it, most of them can't even beat D ranked players on ICCUP in starcraft, and yet they think they are capable of ascertaining the balance of the game. They should stick to reviewing games (Is it fun, technical data about graphics, sound quality, fuidity of the gameplay) and not try to comprehend balance, let alone criticize it.
That said, we, who haven't even played the game, cannot even begin to talk about these kind of things. We saw some units pwning others in arranged situations. You don't know build times, timings, costs, difficulty to pull off, you can't even make strats in your mind in an unfinished game, and yet most of you criticize balance, its just plane stupid.
Math alone cant do this either, just knowing unit stats (witch we don't know btw) still doesn't give any of us the right to judge units. If we were to ascertain SC1 balance thru simple unit comparisons Protoss would be the OP race since theyr units have the best stats, but we all know that not to be true, as it it somewhat agreed that the 3 races are 99% balanced.
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Yeah, it's pretty amazing at how shitty a lot of game reviewers are at actually playing the game... None of them have any competitive edge... I remember one reviewer on gamespot proclaiming himself as the king of Company of Heroes and then playing the game with just the mouse and no keyboard and clicking about ten times a minute.... fucking pathetic
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On March 11 2008 23:37 Zzoram wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2008 23:28 Senix wrote:
Wtf? You have to upgrade Hydra/Lurker and Muta/Corruptor weapon and attack separately? This might be how they balance what appears to be an overpowered Zerg? All of this is subject to change and it's Blizzard, so I wouldn't be too worried.
Thats a bad way to balance imo (making everything upgrade separately).
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On March 12 2008 05:02 [X]Ken_D wrote:
You keep saying the same shit that it is a different game so people have to accept it. People are speculating on what can happen and there is nothing wrong with that. The game isn't out yet there has been a lot of changes to the game because people didn't like it.
Pros had some complaints about SC2, but none of them are complaining about the MBS.
They aren't speculating. They are whining and being conservative and they make the anti-MBS side look bad.
MBS isn't bad because it's a change from SC.
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On March 12 2008 05:09 [X]Ken_D wrote:
I wonder what is the weakness of the Nydus Worms.
The pros of the Overlord drops was that you can drop a monster army into your opponent's base that can easily destroy the base. Overlords were cheap and plentiful too.
The weakness of the Overlord drop is that people can scout it and intercept its route. From what I seen of the Nydus Worms, it can go anywhere and the opponent can't see it. It's detectable, obviously.
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On March 12 2008 04:42 ilovejonn wrote:
Snipe Roaches with Ghosts.
Roaches ar earmored units so oyu have to use siegetanks. And toss got nothing to counter them with.
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Another hand-on : http://www.starcraft2forum.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=94&Itemid=60
(sorry if already posted)
Some pretty neat info :
Thor basically anti air, Jackal very effective. Marauder and Marines work fine in team.
Hydra obtained later than roach ?! Work as counter to Roach. Roach are indeed a bit overpowerred. Corruptor is more effective than devourer. Infestor can attack protoss buildings. Ultralisk are impressive beasts, dishing more damage than before.
Collossi very powerful anti ground, quite tricky for Zergs. Phoenix has been nerfed. Nullifier is a very effective tool
Nomad model has been fully revamped in a much better lloking way.
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On March 12 2008 05:39 Gokey wrote:
Yeah, it's pretty amazing at how shitty a lot of game reviewers are at actually playing the game... None of them have any competitive edge... I remember one reviewer on gamespot proclaiming himself as the king of Company of Heroes and then playing the game with just the mouse and no keyboard and clicking about ten times a minute.... fucking pathetic
They have to be able to play about a million different games, they can't play them for very long and they also need to be funny/be able to write something interesting.
Of course 99% of them won't be that great at any one single game, but who cares?
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On March 13 2008 03:50 FrozenArbiter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2008 05:39 Gokey wrote:
Yeah, it's pretty amazing at how shitty a lot of game reviewers are at actually playing the game... None of them have any competitive edge... I remember one reviewer on gamespot proclaiming himself as the king of Company of Heroes and then playing the game with just the mouse and no keyboard and clicking about ten times a minute.... fucking pathetic They have to be able to play about a million different games, they can't play them for very long and they also need to be funny/be able to write something interesting. Of course 99% of them won't be that great at any one single game, but who cares?
Nobody is saying that reviewers should be pro, but they can't really judge balance in an RTS when they are bad players. They should defer judgement to an expert and cite their opinion.
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