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On September 10 2025 00:29 WombaT wrote:

I mean they have adapted, the answer is to play a standard macro game 90%+ of games because, over time their aggressive options have diminished in variety and viability. Partly through patches, partly through reliable counters being figured out by players of the other two factions.

It’s been a clear direction of travel, especially in Legacy.

It’s a complaint I hear a lot, and as gowser said, it’s a matter of ‘fun’ for many, not necessarily a complaint that the faction sucks or is way harder to play or w/e

On September 10 2025 01:16 goswser wrote:


I don't think zerg sucks at all, at the top level it might even be favored vs toss, vs terran I think it's a bit hard to say. But it feels like there aren't a whole lot of ways to play the game as zerg. You pretty much have to play defensive macro and there are very few ways to be aggressive that work now. Want to win in the early game for once? Think again you just can't. Playing defensive macro basically every game is tedious, hence why I say it doesn't feel 'fun' to play zerg. I don't mind playing this style sometimes, but because of how the game is you have to do it basically every game if you want to beat good players. Almost every single ZvP game is a 3 base oracle vs macro zerg opening. Is it balanced? I think it's pretty balanced. But there's extremely little variety and playing like this every game because nothing else is good isn't 'fun' to many of the zerg players that used to regularly play weeklies.

On September 09 2025 23:29 goswser wrote:

I'd argue that the game hasn't been 'fun' as a zerg player in quite some time and that's how we got here. Balance has pigeonholed zerg into a place where it's a defensive race with very little agency in controlling the flow of the game and almost no aggressive options that are good. The 'cheese' in ZvP now is like, maxed out hydra timing attack and an almost maxed out attack with queen drops. Against terran there basically is no type of aggressive build at all. When you combine that with the amount of skill it takes to play this defensive Serral-esque style well enough to win games, it's led to frustration and most zerg players just giving up and not bothering to try for quite some time now. So you're left with a few of the very top zerg players good enough to deal with it, and almost no one else bothering with trying to compete

On September 10 2025 00:45 Ciaus237 wrote:


Have we been seeing the same game for the last few years?

Zerg has had their options culled off every patch the balance council has released. Every adaptation and every aggressive build has been nerfed. Even the standard defensive play has been nerfed.
Lategame broodlord sieging massacred (it was dumb, but basically as interactive as playing Zerg vs Tempest). With the supply drop change even ye old baneling bust has been weakened.

"For once in their lives"... piss off. An entire faction of the top playerbase has basically decided that playing in weeklies is not worth the effort or tedium, and we're getting towards a second faction doing the same.