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The GOATS of StarCraft II (2010-2023)

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TrAiDoS
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Germany187 Posts
August 18 2024 11:39 GMT
#1
The final day of the EsportsWorldCup is live.

In honor of 14 years of SC2 and all the amazing players we have seen all these years, I made a video highlighting the GOATS of SC2.

To an amazing tournament, to an amazing game. GG

Cheers,
Christian
🎮 Gaming & Esports Performance Researcher | ✖️ https://x.com/TrAiDoS | 🌍 https://www.christian-staedter.com/ | 🕹️ Esports Freelancer - Admin 👨‍🏫 University Lecturer
flashymarine
Profile Joined April 2023
54 Posts
August 18 2024 11:44 GMT
#2
Had no idea Reynor made so much.
johnnyh123
Profile Joined February 2023
124 Posts
August 18 2024 19:21 GMT
#3
Players with the highest award $ do not equal GOAT.

But happy to see a tournament like this that keeps the competitive scene alive.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25797 Posts
August 18 2024 20:12 GMT
#4
Fun vid, enjoyed that
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13987 Posts
August 18 2024 21:43 GMT
#5
I wonder where Hitchcock lands compared to Michael Bay on the GOAT director tier list.
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radracer
Profile Joined March 2020
United States73 Posts
August 19 2024 05:01 GMT
#6
I don't think $ is the defining factor of goat per era but I absolutely love the idea of ranking goats based on era/year.
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TrAiDoS
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Germany187 Posts
August 19 2024 10:27 GMT
#7
Take it with a grain of salt. I just thought it might be a cool "story line" to go down, especially because we had the GOAT discussion for a while now. Also, I added a goat to Serral's flag (if you missed that). So, it wasn't meant to be fully serious. Just thought it might be cool and interesting. At least I enjoyed making it.

Best,
Christian

On August 19 2024 14:01 radracer wrote:
I don't think $ is the defining factor of goat per era but I absolutely love the idea of ranking goats based on era/year.

🎮 Gaming & Esports Performance Researcher | ✖️ https://x.com/TrAiDoS | 🌍 https://www.christian-staedter.com/ | 🕹️ Esports Freelancer - Admin 👨‍🏫 University Lecturer
allmotor1
Profile Joined December 2017
153 Posts
August 20 2024 02:04 GMT
#8
Thanks for making this, very cool.

BonitiilloO
Profile Joined June 2013
Dominican Republic626 Posts
August 20 2024 02:23 GMT
#9
This video is a proof zerg become the top race when builds and strategies where figure out, like flash did back in his prime.
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johnnyh123
Profile Joined February 2023
124 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-08-20 06:06:53
August 20 2024 06:05 GMT
#10
On August 20 2024 11:23 BonitiilloO wrote:
This video is a proof zerg become the top race when builds and strategies where figure out, like flash did back in his prime.


Are you suggesting Zerg is OP at high Elo and there should be rebalancing?

By your logic, when we have figured out builds/strategies, which is eventually, then Zerg will win. And that's when the game is perfect when one race with the highest ceiling performing at their best will win everything?

I would have to strongly disagree. I wish the 3 races can be balanced in different stages of the game, but knowing that's super difficult (early/mid/late).

Though from the latest EWC, Clem showed that Terral might just have a higher ceiling. Some are arguing that Serral just didn't perform well getting 0-8 by Clem. And some are saying it's cause Serral didn't practice as much due to military or mentality.

Interested to learn more from you and the community.
jodljodl
Profile Joined October 2016
175 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-08-20 11:04:53
August 20 2024 10:55 GMT
#11
I enjoyed watching it and was quite curious to see who actually made how much and when. Even though, of course, at the same time I was looking down on you, Mr., that you even dare to have GOAT in your thread title when it is only about money

Thank you very much for the video


Edit: Oh, I totally forgot to mention, that i'm not too suprised to see Zest crowned as the GOAT

Edit Numero Due:
On August 20 2024 15:05 johnnyh123 wrote:
[...] Though from the latest EWC, Clem showed that Terral might just have a higher ceiling. [...]


a) True, Clem showed that Terran might have a higher ceiling. But by the same logic Serral showed over the last couple of years that Zerg might have a higher ceiling.

b) Wait for his level up. I'm a true believer that in the not too distant future Serrals just gonna be better than the rest again.

Kim Doh Woo
BonitiilloO
Profile Joined June 2013
Dominican Republic626 Posts
August 20 2024 23:14 GMT
#12
On August 20 2024 15:05 johnnyh123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2024 11:23 BonitiilloO wrote:
This video is a proof zerg become the top race when builds and strategies where figure out, like flash did back in his prime.


Are you suggesting Zerg is OP at high Elo and there should be rebalancing?

By your logic, when we have figured out builds/strategies, which is eventually, then Zerg will win. And that's when the game is perfect when one race with the highest ceiling performing at their best will win everything?

I would have to strongly disagree. I wish the 3 races can be balanced in different stages of the game, but knowing that's super difficult (early/mid/late).

Though from the latest EWC, Clem showed that Terral might just have a higher ceiling. Some are arguing that Serral just didn't perform well getting 0-8 by Clem. And some are saying it's cause Serral didn't practice as much due to military or mentality.

Interested to learn more from you and the community.


even flash back in his prime was not as dominant as Serral, isn't that a ring in the bell?



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rwala
Profile Joined December 2019
297 Posts
August 21 2024 02:01 GMT
#13
nice work!
TrAiDoS
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Germany187 Posts
August 21 2024 08:39 GMT
#14
Hi everyone,

I'm happy to see you guys enjoyed the video and made the effort to give feedback.

Let me know if anyone of you have something else in mind that would be cool to look at (data wise). I'm always on the hunt for new ideas on how to visualize cool gaming/esports data.

Best,
Christian
🎮 Gaming & Esports Performance Researcher | ✖️ https://x.com/TrAiDoS | 🌍 https://www.christian-staedter.com/ | 🕹️ Esports Freelancer - Admin 👨‍🏫 University Lecturer
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15987 Posts
August 21 2024 08:47 GMT
#15
On August 21 2024 08:14 BonitiilloO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2024 15:05 johnnyh123 wrote:
On August 20 2024 11:23 BonitiilloO wrote:
This video is a proof zerg become the top race when builds and strategies where figure out, like flash did back in his prime.


Are you suggesting Zerg is OP at high Elo and there should be rebalancing?

By your logic, when we have figured out builds/strategies, which is eventually, then Zerg will win. And that's when the game is perfect when one race with the highest ceiling performing at their best will win everything?

I would have to strongly disagree. I wish the 3 races can be balanced in different stages of the game, but knowing that's super difficult (early/mid/late).

Though from the latest EWC, Clem showed that Terral might just have a higher ceiling. Some are arguing that Serral just didn't perform well getting 0-8 by Clem. And some are saying it's cause Serral didn't practice as much due to military or mentality.

Interested to learn more from you and the community.


even flash back in his prime was not as dominant as Serral, isn't that a ring in the bell?




Did Flash in his prime get 5-0ed by someone?
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Balnazza
Profile Joined January 2018
Germany1216 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-08-22 13:10:01
August 22 2024 13:06 GMT
#16
On August 21 2024 17:47 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2024 08:14 BonitiilloO wrote:
On August 20 2024 15:05 johnnyh123 wrote:
On August 20 2024 11:23 BonitiilloO wrote:
This video is a proof zerg become the top race when builds and strategies where figure out, like flash did back in his prime.


Are you suggesting Zerg is OP at high Elo and there should be rebalancing?

By your logic, when we have figured out builds/strategies, which is eventually, then Zerg will win. And that's when the game is perfect when one race with the highest ceiling performing at their best will win everything?

I would have to strongly disagree. I wish the 3 races can be balanced in different stages of the game, but knowing that's super difficult (early/mid/late).

Though from the latest EWC, Clem showed that Terral might just have a higher ceiling. Some are arguing that Serral just didn't perform well getting 0-8 by Clem. And some are saying it's cause Serral didn't practice as much due to military or mentality.

Interested to learn more from you and the community.


even flash back in his prime was not as dominant as Serral, isn't that a ring in the bell?




Did Flash in his prime get 5-0ed by someone?


Did Flash ever 4-0 someone?
...and yes, I forgot about ASL since I was focused on "Flash in his prime"...in which Flash btw got 3-0ed multiple times.
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15987 Posts
August 22 2024 13:39 GMT
#17
On August 22 2024 22:06 Balnazza wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2024 17:47 Charoisaur wrote:
On August 21 2024 08:14 BonitiilloO wrote:
On August 20 2024 15:05 johnnyh123 wrote:
On August 20 2024 11:23 BonitiilloO wrote:
This video is a proof zerg become the top race when builds and strategies where figure out, like flash did back in his prime.


Are you suggesting Zerg is OP at high Elo and there should be rebalancing?

By your logic, when we have figured out builds/strategies, which is eventually, then Zerg will win. And that's when the game is perfect when one race with the highest ceiling performing at their best will win everything?

I would have to strongly disagree. I wish the 3 races can be balanced in different stages of the game, but knowing that's super difficult (early/mid/late).

Though from the latest EWC, Clem showed that Terral might just have a higher ceiling. Some are arguing that Serral just didn't perform well getting 0-8 by Clem. And some are saying it's cause Serral didn't practice as much due to military or mentality.

Interested to learn more from you and the community.


even flash back in his prime was not as dominant as Serral, isn't that a ring in the bell?




Did Flash in his prime get 5-0ed by someone?


Did Flash ever 4-0 someone?

Yes
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Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
rwala
Profile Joined December 2019
297 Posts
August 22 2024 23:10 GMT
#18
On August 22 2024 22:06 Balnazza wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2024 17:47 Charoisaur wrote:
On August 21 2024 08:14 BonitiilloO wrote:
On August 20 2024 15:05 johnnyh123 wrote:
On August 20 2024 11:23 BonitiilloO wrote:
This video is a proof zerg become the top race when builds and strategies where figure out, like flash did back in his prime.


Are you suggesting Zerg is OP at high Elo and there should be rebalancing?

By your logic, when we have figured out builds/strategies, which is eventually, then Zerg will win. And that's when the game is perfect when one race with the highest ceiling performing at their best will win everything?

I would have to strongly disagree. I wish the 3 races can be balanced in different stages of the game, but knowing that's super difficult (early/mid/late).

Though from the latest EWC, Clem showed that Terral might just have a higher ceiling. Some are arguing that Serral just didn't perform well getting 0-8 by Clem. And some are saying it's cause Serral didn't practice as much due to military or mentality.

Interested to learn more from you and the community.


even flash back in his prime was not as dominant as Serral, isn't that a ring in the bell?




Did Flash in his prime get 5-0ed by someone?


Did Flash ever 4-0 someone?
...and yes, I forgot about ASL since I was focused on "Flash in his prime"...in which Flash btw got 3-0ed multiple times.


Serral had been 4-0'ed multiple times before he was 5-0'ed. Which takes nothing away from Serral's incredible accomplishments any more than Maru getting 4-0'ed takes away from his. I don't think either have ever been as dominant as Flash was in any kind of scene as competitive as the BW scene was for all long as Flash was dominant. Not really comparable.
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