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Team Liquid Map Contest #19: Voting - Page 3

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MJG
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#50
It seems like the maps that came out of this contest ended up being quite imbalanced:

Amphion has 40% PvT.
Crimson Court has 69% TvZ.
Dynasty has 65% TvZ.
Ghost River has 58% ZvP.

I hope there's a new ladder pool soon.
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Ciaus237
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South Africa283 Posts
August 27 2024 11:30 GMT
#51
On August 27 2024 18:43 MJG wrote:

Crimson Court has 69% TvZ.



Wait wut.
Where do you find this stat? Is that the most imbalanced a map has ever been? That's 20% off even like lmao wut.
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MJG
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United Kingdom1164 Posts
August 27 2024 11:31 GMT
#52
On August 27 2024 20:30 Ciaus237 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2024 18:43 MJG wrote:

Crimson Court has 69% TvZ.



Wait wut.
Where do you find this stat? Is that the most imbalanced a map has ever been? That's 20% off even like lmao wut.

Liquipedia.

(Wiki)Crimson Court
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Ciaus237
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South Africa283 Posts
August 27 2024 11:42 GMT
#53
On August 27 2024 20:31 MJG wrote:
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On August 27 2024 20:30 Ciaus237 wrote:
On August 27 2024 18:43 MJG wrote:

Crimson Court has 69% TvZ.



Wait wut.
Where do you find this stat? Is that the most imbalanced a map has ever been? That's 20% off even like lmao wut.

Liquipedia.

(Wiki)Crimson Court


Thanks!
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lorestarcraft
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September 06 2024 14:50 GMT
#56
On August 27 2024 18:43 MJG wrote:
It seems like the maps that came out of this contest ended up being quite imbalanced:

Amphion has 40% PvT.
Crimson Court has 69% TvZ.
Dynasty has 65% TvZ.
Ghost River has 58% ZvP.

I hope there's a new ladder pool soon.

The contest rules favor those who have a lot of time to fiddle with the editor, not necessarily favoring the better concepts.
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MrIronGolem27
Profile Joined July 2020
United States227 Posts
September 06 2024 16:00 GMT
#57
On September 06 2024 23:50 lorestarcraft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2024 18:43 MJG wrote:
It seems like the maps that came out of this contest ended up being quite imbalanced:

Amphion has 40% PvT.
Crimson Court has 69% TvZ.
Dynasty has 65% TvZ.
Ghost River has 58% ZvP.

I hope there's a new ladder pool soon.

The contest rules favor those who have a lot of time to fiddle with the editor, not necessarily favoring the better concepts.


That's how it should be, for the record. Concepts without the right execution are worthless in a ladder map.

Golden Wall without the upper and lower lanes being rather open in the appropriate places would have been a nightmare map for Zergs.
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United States2405 Posts
September 07 2024 00:44 GMT
#58
On September 07 2024 01:00 MrIronGolem27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2024 23:50 lorestarcraft wrote:
On August 27 2024 18:43 MJG wrote:
It seems like the maps that came out of this contest ended up being quite imbalanced:

Amphion has 40% PvT.
Crimson Court has 69% TvZ.
Dynasty has 65% TvZ.
Ghost River has 58% ZvP.

I hope there's a new ladder pool soon.

The contest rules favor those who have a lot of time to fiddle with the editor, not necessarily favoring the better concepts.


That's how it should be, for the record. Concepts without the right execution are worthless in a ladder map.

Golden Wall without the upper and lower lanes being rather open in the appropriate places would have been a nightmare map for Zergs.


Author of crimson court here, and can confirm it’s a bummer to see it’s so imbalanced and gets veto’d. Definitely kicking myself for a few design choices, especially the HY gas base which severely detracts from my intention with the map. I’d just add to the discussion that a lot of the features we experimented with (including the semi-island lanes on Crimson court), we did not have any balance data on, and would have only been speculating about balance. I would love to have updated the map mid season and made adjustments to alleviate the Zerg issues, but that’s not how the TLMC’s work.
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riyasehgal
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Jamesoliver
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September 11 2024 06:05 GMT
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I had vote, but unsure about the feedback they will consider!!!
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