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Snipe still does 170 damage vs queens! Just load up a ladder game as terran and snipe some queens to see it at work!
Queen has 175 hp at full, snipe leaves them with 5hp, just like it did before the patch. Weirdly, Snipe seems to work properly vs most other zerg units. It does 130 damage to overlords, and it doesn't instakill roaches any more.
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On October 10 2023 03:13 Archeon wrote:
Queens are psionic.
It says Snipe does 130 damage vs Biological in the Snipe tooltip. So either the tooltip is missing really important info or the ability is bugged.
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On October 10 2023 03:20 TheLordofAwesome wrote:It says Snipe does 130 damage vs Biological in the Snipe tooltip. So either the tooltip is missing really important info or the ability is bugged.
Queens are Psionic. Snipe does extra damage vs. Psionic.
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On October 10 2023 04:13 Balnazza wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2023 03:20 TheLordofAwesome wrote:On October 10 2023 03:13 Archeon wrote:
Queens are psionic. It says Snipe does 130 damage vs Biological in the Snipe tooltip. So either the tooltip is missing really important info or the ability is bugged. Queens are Psionic. Snipe does extra damage vs. Psionic.
Then perhaps the game should tell you that?
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On October 10 2023 07:22 TheLordofAwesome wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2023 04:13 Balnazza wrote:On October 10 2023 03:20 TheLordofAwesome wrote:On October 10 2023 03:13 Archeon wrote:
Queens are psionic. It says Snipe does 130 damage vs Biological in the Snipe tooltip. So either the tooltip is missing really important info or the ability is bugged. Queens are Psionic. Snipe does extra damage vs. Psionic. Then perhaps the game should tell you that?
Am I missing something or does it not say in here? https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/starcraft2/24009150/starcraft-ii-5-0-12-patch-notes
"Snipe damage reduced from 170 to 130 (+40 vs Psionic)."
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On October 10 2023 07:58 phodacbiet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2023 07:22 TheLordofAwesome wrote:On October 10 2023 04:13 Balnazza wrote:On October 10 2023 03:20 TheLordofAwesome wrote:On October 10 2023 03:13 Archeon wrote:
Queens are psionic. It says Snipe does 130 damage vs Biological in the Snipe tooltip. So either the tooltip is missing really important info or the ability is bugged. Queens are Psionic. Snipe does extra damage vs. Psionic. Then perhaps the game should tell you that? Am I missing something or does it not say in here? https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/starcraft2/24009150/starcraft-ii-5-0-12-patch-notes"Snipe damage reduced from 170 to 130 (+40 vs Psionic)."
Ingame ability states:
"After carefully aiming for 1.43 seconds while not taking damage, the Ghost fires a Sniper round dealing 130 damage. Ignores Armor.
Can only target Biological units."
This is on NA server. As you can see, it states very clearly that the Ghost deals a flat 130 damage to all biological units with snipe. Which it clearly does not do, thus why I assume it was a bug.
I mean, I would still call this a bug. It's just that the ingame description is bugged, not the unit ability. It's completely wrong.
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It isn't "completly wrong", it just misses a detail. I honestly never spend much time reading the tooltips, so I don't know how accurate they always are
Anyway, confusion cleared, it is not a bug, it is working as intended.
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On October 10 2023 08:07 TheLordofAwesome wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2023 07:58 phodacbiet wrote:On October 10 2023 07:22 TheLordofAwesome wrote:On October 10 2023 04:13 Balnazza wrote:On October 10 2023 03:20 TheLordofAwesome wrote:On October 10 2023 03:13 Archeon wrote:
Queens are psionic. It says Snipe does 130 damage vs Biological in the Snipe tooltip. So either the tooltip is missing really important info or the ability is bugged. Queens are Psionic. Snipe does extra damage vs. Psionic. Then perhaps the game should tell you that? Am I missing something or does it not say in here? https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/starcraft2/24009150/starcraft-ii-5-0-12-patch-notes"Snipe damage reduced from 170 to 130 (+40 vs Psionic)." Ingame ability states: "After carefully aiming for 1.43 seconds while not taking damage, the Ghost fires a Sniper round dealing 130 damage. Ignores Armor. Can only target Biological units." This is on NA server. As you can see, it states very clearly that the Ghost deals a flat 130 damage to all biological units with snipe. Which it clearly does not do, thus why I assume it was a bug. I mean, I would still call this a bug. It's just that the ingame description is bugged, not the unit ability. It's completely wrong.
The tooltip for cyclone upgrade is not translated, but instead of using the english description, they simply kept programmer info such as "Button/Tooltip/CycloneResearchHurricaneThruster". I am not surprised that the ghost tooltip is not 100% precise then
Otoh, I doubt the people making the changes in game are even paid?
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On October 10 2023 16:18 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2023 08:07 TheLordofAwesome wrote:On October 10 2023 07:58 phodacbiet wrote:On October 10 2023 07:22 TheLordofAwesome wrote:On October 10 2023 04:13 Balnazza wrote:On October 10 2023 03:20 TheLordofAwesome wrote:On October 10 2023 03:13 Archeon wrote:
Queens are psionic. It says Snipe does 130 damage vs Biological in the Snipe tooltip. So either the tooltip is missing really important info or the ability is bugged. Queens are Psionic. Snipe does extra damage vs. Psionic. Then perhaps the game should tell you that? Am I missing something or does it not say in here? https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/starcraft2/24009150/starcraft-ii-5-0-12-patch-notes"Snipe damage reduced from 170 to 130 (+40 vs Psionic)." Ingame ability states: "After carefully aiming for 1.43 seconds while not taking damage, the Ghost fires a Sniper round dealing 130 damage. Ignores Armor. Can only target Biological units." This is on NA server. As you can see, it states very clearly that the Ghost deals a flat 130 damage to all biological units with snipe. Which it clearly does not do, thus why I assume it was a bug. I mean, I would still call this a bug. It's just that the ingame description is bugged, not the unit ability. It's completely wrong. The tooltip for cyclone upgrade is not translated, but instead of using the english description, they simply kept programmer info such as "Button/Tooltip/CycloneResearchHurricaneThruster". I am not surprised that the ghost tooltip is not 100% precise then Otoh, I doubt the people making the changes in game are even paid?
How people could ever donate their free time to a multi billion dollar corporation is beyond my understanding. At least have the gut to demand some compensation. ATVI have 0 incentive to pay competent personel, if they can just get it for free from "passionate" community members.
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On October 10 2023 19:20 Branch.AUT wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2023 16:18 Poopi wrote:On October 10 2023 08:07 TheLordofAwesome wrote:On October 10 2023 07:58 phodacbiet wrote:On October 10 2023 07:22 TheLordofAwesome wrote:On October 10 2023 04:13 Balnazza wrote:On October 10 2023 03:20 TheLordofAwesome wrote:On October 10 2023 03:13 Archeon wrote:
Queens are psionic. It says Snipe does 130 damage vs Biological in the Snipe tooltip. So either the tooltip is missing really important info or the ability is bugged. Queens are Psionic. Snipe does extra damage vs. Psionic. Then perhaps the game should tell you that? Am I missing something or does it not say in here? https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/starcraft2/24009150/starcraft-ii-5-0-12-patch-notes"Snipe damage reduced from 170 to 130 (+40 vs Psionic)." Ingame ability states: "After carefully aiming for 1.43 seconds while not taking damage, the Ghost fires a Sniper round dealing 130 damage. Ignores Armor. Can only target Biological units." This is on NA server. As you can see, it states very clearly that the Ghost deals a flat 130 damage to all biological units with snipe. Which it clearly does not do, thus why I assume it was a bug. I mean, I would still call this a bug. It's just that the ingame description is bugged, not the unit ability. It's completely wrong. The tooltip for cyclone upgrade is not translated, but instead of using the english description, they simply kept programmer info such as "Button/Tooltip/CycloneResearchHurricaneThruster". I am not surprised that the ghost tooltip is not 100% precise then Otoh, I doubt the people making the changes in game are even paid? How people could ever donate their free time to a multi billion dollar corporation is beyond my understanding. At least have the gut to demand some compensation. ATVI have 0 incentive to pay competent personel, if they can just get it for free from "passionate" community members.
How does this happen you ask? Bobby Kotick is a genius and maneuvred ATVI into this position slowly and carefully over a number of years. That's how you get people volunteering free work for the most financially successful RTS game in the 30 year history of the genre.
The unionized employees can always speak up and tell the volunteers to stop volunteering i guess.
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On October 10 2023 19:20 Branch.AUT wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2023 16:18 Poopi wrote:On October 10 2023 08:07 TheLordofAwesome wrote:On October 10 2023 07:58 phodacbiet wrote:On October 10 2023 07:22 TheLordofAwesome wrote:On October 10 2023 04:13 Balnazza wrote:On October 10 2023 03:20 TheLordofAwesome wrote:On October 10 2023 03:13 Archeon wrote:
Queens are psionic. It says Snipe does 130 damage vs Biological in the Snipe tooltip. So either the tooltip is missing really important info or the ability is bugged. Queens are Psionic. Snipe does extra damage vs. Psionic. Then perhaps the game should tell you that? Am I missing something or does it not say in here? https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/starcraft2/24009150/starcraft-ii-5-0-12-patch-notes"Snipe damage reduced from 170 to 130 (+40 vs Psionic)." Ingame ability states: "After carefully aiming for 1.43 seconds while not taking damage, the Ghost fires a Sniper round dealing 130 damage. Ignores Armor. Can only target Biological units." This is on NA server. As you can see, it states very clearly that the Ghost deals a flat 130 damage to all biological units with snipe. Which it clearly does not do, thus why I assume it was a bug. I mean, I would still call this a bug. It's just that the ingame description is bugged, not the unit ability. It's completely wrong. The tooltip for cyclone upgrade is not translated, but instead of using the english description, they simply kept programmer info such as "Button/Tooltip/CycloneResearchHurricaneThruster". I am not surprised that the ghost tooltip is not 100% precise then Otoh, I doubt the people making the changes in game are even paid? How people could ever donate their free time to a multi billion dollar corporation is beyond my understanding. At least have the gut to demand some compensation. ATVI have 0 incentive to pay competent personel, if they can just get it for free from "passionate" community members.
That's easy:
The alternative is that there is no new patch. So you are not donating your free time to a multi-billion dollar company, but to the community. Which is the basis of basically every modding community, a lot of streamers, TOs etc.
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The game can't be "in the hands of the community" as Brood War was or as the Command & Conquer games are right now. These games have community run multiplayer servers independent of the corporation. SC2's multiplayer is exclusively run by Blizzard on Blizzard servers. If the community had its own private SC2 servers it could become a "community game". Right now, its Blizzard property.
A community server would be super cool.
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On October 10 2023 22:54 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
The game can't be "in the hands of the community" as Brood War was or as the Command & Conquer games are right now. These games have community run multiplayer servers independent of the corporation. SC2's multiplayer is exclusively run by Blizzard on Blizzard servers. If the community had its own private SC2 servers it could become a "community game". Right now, its Blizzard property.
A community server would be super cool.
That fairly obviously isn't true, because tons of games rely on a vibrant modding community to increase their replay value even though they run on central servers. You don't need public servers to have a thriving modding community.
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On October 10 2023 22:30 Balnazza wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2023 19:20 Branch.AUT wrote:On October 10 2023 16:18 Poopi wrote:On October 10 2023 08:07 TheLordofAwesome wrote:On October 10 2023 07:58 phodacbiet wrote:On October 10 2023 07:22 TheLordofAwesome wrote:On October 10 2023 04:13 Balnazza wrote:On October 10 2023 03:20 TheLordofAwesome wrote:On October 10 2023 03:13 Archeon wrote:
Queens are psionic. It says Snipe does 130 damage vs Biological in the Snipe tooltip. So either the tooltip is missing really important info or the ability is bugged. Queens are Psionic. Snipe does extra damage vs. Psionic. Then perhaps the game should tell you that? Am I missing something or does it not say in here? https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/starcraft2/24009150/starcraft-ii-5-0-12-patch-notes"Snipe damage reduced from 170 to 130 (+40 vs Psionic)." Ingame ability states: "After carefully aiming for 1.43 seconds while not taking damage, the Ghost fires a Sniper round dealing 130 damage. Ignores Armor. Can only target Biological units." This is on NA server. As you can see, it states very clearly that the Ghost deals a flat 130 damage to all biological units with snipe. Which it clearly does not do, thus why I assume it was a bug. I mean, I would still call this a bug. It's just that the ingame description is bugged, not the unit ability. It's completely wrong. The tooltip for cyclone upgrade is not translated, but instead of using the english description, they simply kept programmer info such as "Button/Tooltip/CycloneResearchHurricaneThruster". I am not surprised that the ghost tooltip is not 100% precise then Otoh, I doubt the people making the changes in game are even paid? How people could ever donate their free time to a multi billion dollar corporation is beyond my understanding. At least have the gut to demand some compensation. ATVI have 0 incentive to pay competent personel, if they can just get it for free from "passionate" community members. That's easy: The alternative is that there is no new patch. So you are not donating your free time to a multi-billion dollar company, but to the community. Which is the basis of basically every modding community, a lot of streamers, TOs etc.
The key difference being that in this case people contributed to something blizzard releases ( a patch). A modder, or streamer doesnt help the punlisher release new content inside the game. They make content about using the game (streamer) or using the game an alternate way (modder). A streamer will grow their brand,and at some point monetize their brand on their own. Thats clearly a different thing,to working on a patch, that the publisher then releases inside the game client.
Even a modder will have more control over their work, namely putting a name on the mod. Chosing where to release it. Putting a coffee donation button here. Again clearly different to releasing a non-optional multiplayer patch in a game.
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On October 10 2023 23:50 Branch.AUT wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2023 22:30 Balnazza wrote:On October 10 2023 19:20 Branch.AUT wrote:On October 10 2023 16:18 Poopi wrote:On October 10 2023 08:07 TheLordofAwesome wrote:On October 10 2023 07:58 phodacbiet wrote:On October 10 2023 07:22 TheLordofAwesome wrote:On October 10 2023 04:13 Balnazza wrote:On October 10 2023 03:20 TheLordofAwesome wrote:On October 10 2023 03:13 Archeon wrote:
Queens are psionic. It says Snipe does 130 damage vs Biological in the Snipe tooltip. So either the tooltip is missing really important info or the ability is bugged. Queens are Psionic. Snipe does extra damage vs. Psionic. Then perhaps the game should tell you that? Am I missing something or does it not say in here? https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/starcraft2/24009150/starcraft-ii-5-0-12-patch-notes"Snipe damage reduced from 170 to 130 (+40 vs Psionic)." Ingame ability states: "After carefully aiming for 1.43 seconds while not taking damage, the Ghost fires a Sniper round dealing 130 damage. Ignores Armor. Can only target Biological units." This is on NA server. As you can see, it states very clearly that the Ghost deals a flat 130 damage to all biological units with snipe. Which it clearly does not do, thus why I assume it was a bug. I mean, I would still call this a bug. It's just that the ingame description is bugged, not the unit ability. It's completely wrong. The tooltip for cyclone upgrade is not translated, but instead of using the english description, they simply kept programmer info such as "Button/Tooltip/CycloneResearchHurricaneThruster". I am not surprised that the ghost tooltip is not 100% precise then Otoh, I doubt the people making the changes in game are even paid? How people could ever donate their free time to a multi billion dollar corporation is beyond my understanding. At least have the gut to demand some compensation. ATVI have 0 incentive to pay competent personel, if they can just get it for free from "passionate" community members. That's easy: The alternative is that there is no new patch. So you are not donating your free time to a multi-billion dollar company, but to the community. Which is the basis of basically every modding community, a lot of streamers, TOs etc. The key difference being that in this case people contributed to something blizzard releases ( a patch). A modder, or streamer doesnt help the punlisher release new content inside the game. They make content about using the game (streamer) or using the game an alternate way (modder). A streamer will grow their brand,and at some point monetize their brand on their own. Thats clearly a different thing,to working on a patch, that the publisher then releases inside the game client. Even a modder will have more control over their work, namely putting a name on the mod. Chosing where to release it. Putting a coffee donation button here. Again clearly different to releasing a non-optional multiplayer patch in a game.
Sure, then consider it more like contributing to an open source library maintained by Facebook, Microsoft or Google or so. For instance, the Android kernel is open source, and it has volunteers contributing. Those contributions fairly directly contribute to making Android a better product and therefore Google more money.
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On October 10 2023 23:50 Branch.AUT wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2023 22:30 Balnazza wrote:On October 10 2023 19:20 Branch.AUT wrote:On October 10 2023 16:18 Poopi wrote:On October 10 2023 08:07 TheLordofAwesome wrote:On October 10 2023 07:58 phodacbiet wrote:On October 10 2023 07:22 TheLordofAwesome wrote:On October 10 2023 04:13 Balnazza wrote:On October 10 2023 03:20 TheLordofAwesome wrote:On October 10 2023 03:13 Archeon wrote:
Queens are psionic. It says Snipe does 130 damage vs Biological in the Snipe tooltip. So either the tooltip is missing really important info or the ability is bugged. Queens are Psionic. Snipe does extra damage vs. Psionic. Then perhaps the game should tell you that? Am I missing something or does it not say in here? https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/starcraft2/24009150/starcraft-ii-5-0-12-patch-notes"Snipe damage reduced from 170 to 130 (+40 vs Psionic)." Ingame ability states: "After carefully aiming for 1.43 seconds while not taking damage, the Ghost fires a Sniper round dealing 130 damage. Ignores Armor. Can only target Biological units." This is on NA server. As you can see, it states very clearly that the Ghost deals a flat 130 damage to all biological units with snipe. Which it clearly does not do, thus why I assume it was a bug. I mean, I would still call this a bug. It's just that the ingame description is bugged, not the unit ability. It's completely wrong. The tooltip for cyclone upgrade is not translated, but instead of using the english description, they simply kept programmer info such as "Button/Tooltip/CycloneResearchHurricaneThruster". I am not surprised that the ghost tooltip is not 100% precise then Otoh, I doubt the people making the changes in game are even paid? How people could ever donate their free time to a multi billion dollar corporation is beyond my understanding. At least have the gut to demand some compensation. ATVI have 0 incentive to pay competent personel, if they can just get it for free from "passionate" community members. That's easy: The alternative is that there is no new patch. So you are not donating your free time to a multi-billion dollar company, but to the community. Which is the basis of basically every modding community, a lot of streamers, TOs etc. The key difference being that in this case people contributed to something blizzard releases ( a patch). A modder, or streamer doesnt help the punlisher release new content inside the game. They make content about using the game (streamer) or using the game an alternate way (modder). A streamer will grow their brand,and at some point monetize their brand on their own. Thats clearly a different thing,to working on a patch, that the publisher then releases inside the game client. Even a modder will have more control over their work, namely putting a name on the mod. Chosing where to release it. Putting a coffee donation button here. Again clearly different to releasing a non-optional multiplayer patch in a game.
Yes, and Blizzard will enjoy the millions of dollars this new patch brings in for them...
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On October 11 2023 00:02 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2023 23:50 Branch.AUT wrote:On October 10 2023 22:30 Balnazza wrote:On October 10 2023 19:20 Branch.AUT wrote:On October 10 2023 16:18 Poopi wrote:On October 10 2023 08:07 TheLordofAwesome wrote:On October 10 2023 07:58 phodacbiet wrote:On October 10 2023 07:22 TheLordofAwesome wrote:On October 10 2023 04:13 Balnazza wrote:On October 10 2023 03:20 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
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It says Snipe does 130 damage vs Biological in the Snipe tooltip. So either the tooltip is missing really important info or the ability is bugged. Queens are Psionic. Snipe does extra damage vs. Psionic. Then perhaps the game should tell you that? Am I missing something or does it not say in here? https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/starcraft2/24009150/starcraft-ii-5-0-12-patch-notes"Snipe damage reduced from 170 to 130 (+40 vs Psionic)." Ingame ability states: "After carefully aiming for 1.43 seconds while not taking damage, the Ghost fires a Sniper round dealing 130 damage. Ignores Armor. Can only target Biological units." This is on NA server. As you can see, it states very clearly that the Ghost deals a flat 130 damage to all biological units with snipe. Which it clearly does not do, thus why I assume it was a bug. I mean, I would still call this a bug. It's just that the ingame description is bugged, not the unit ability. It's completely wrong. The tooltip for cyclone upgrade is not translated, but instead of using the english description, they simply kept programmer info such as "Button/Tooltip/CycloneResearchHurricaneThruster". I am not surprised that the ghost tooltip is not 100% precise then Otoh, I doubt the people making the changes in game are even paid? How people could ever donate their free time to a multi billion dollar corporation is beyond my understanding. At least have the gut to demand some compensation. ATVI have 0 incentive to pay competent personel, if they can just get it for free from "passionate" community members. That's easy: The alternative is that there is no new patch. So you are not donating your free time to a multi-billion dollar company, but to the community. Which is the basis of basically every modding community, a lot of streamers, TOs etc. The key difference being that in this case people contributed to something blizzard releases ( a patch). A modder, or streamer doesnt help the punlisher release new content inside the game. They make content about using the game (streamer) or using the game an alternate way (modder). A streamer will grow their brand,and at some point monetize their brand on their own. Thats clearly a different thing,to working on a patch, that the publisher then releases inside the game client. Even a modder will have more control over their work, namely putting a name on the mod. Chosing where to release it. Putting a coffee donation button here. Again clearly different to releasing a non-optional multiplayer patch in a game. Sure, then consider it more like contributing to an open source library maintained by Facebook, Microsoft or Google or so. For instance, the Android kernel is open source, and it has volunteers contributing. Those contributions fairly directly contribute to making Android a better product and therefore Google more money.
The android kernel, being open source wont just vanish into thin air at the whim of a suit, implementing some old fashioned cost cutting measure. Starcraft 2 on the other hand, is proprietary, could vanish just like that.
Working for a multi billion dollar company without compensation isn't some noble endeavor. Developing open source software that benefits everyone, is a noble endeavor.
People are giving away their manpower to a corporation that could afford buying it a billion times over. They just chose not to. This isn't a noble sacrifice. Its voluntary self enslavement.
If google drops supporting android, you still have source code to compile the android kernel. The openly developed libraries are still available for anyone to use. And as far as I'm aware, open source devs rarely Have to hide from the public's vitriol if the push a buggy feature.
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Which part of "there won't be a new patch then" do you fail to understand my dude? This isn't "Blizzard checks out if there will be a new patch and if not, they do it themselves". They literally and officially stopped working on the game. They only fix technical issues, provide the game-servers and as of now still support the Esports-scene (I think?).
Not to mention, again, that Blizzard is not making the big bucks out of SC2. Sure, for marketing purposes it is nice to have it in the portfolio, but overall Blizzard is dumping money into the game for server-costs and Esports that they most definetly not get back through sales per year.
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On October 10 2023 23:46 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2023 22:54 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
The game can't be "in the hands of the community" as Brood War was or as the Command & Conquer games are right now. These games have community run multiplayer servers independent of the corporation. SC2's multiplayer is exclusively run by Blizzard on Blizzard servers. If the community had its own private SC2 servers it could become a "community game". Right now, its Blizzard property.
A community server would be super cool. That fairly obviously isn't true, because tons of games rely on a vibrant modding community to increase their replay value even though they run on central servers. You don't need public servers to have a thriving modding community.
it is still not "in the hands of the community". When the corp shuts down servers the game ends. When the community owns the servers and/or when there are private servers the game has the potential to live forever.
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On October 11 2023 02:40 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2023 23:46 Acrofales wrote:On October 10 2023 22:54 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
The game can't be "in the hands of the community" as Brood War was or as the Command & Conquer games are right now. These games have community run multiplayer servers independent of the corporation. SC2's multiplayer is exclusively run by Blizzard on Blizzard servers. If the community had its own private SC2 servers it could become a "community game". Right now, its Blizzard property.
A community server would be super cool. That fairly obviously isn't true, because tons of games rely on a vibrant modding community to increase their replay value even though they run on central servers. You don't need public servers to have a thriving modding community. it is still not "in the hands of the community". When the corp shuts down servers the game ends. When the community owns the servers and/or when there are private servers the game has the potential to live forever.
You're conflating community members doing things for the community and that community potentially lasting forever. The two are not the same thing. Even if you don't accept whoever worked on the patch, mapmakers are fairly clearly working on maps for free. At best they get a very small prize from TL mapmaking contests, but it's (1) a pittance compared to the work it takes and (2) far from guaranteed your map will win you money even if it does actually end up in the map pool.
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On October 11 2023 03:13 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2023 02:40 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On October 10 2023 23:46 Acrofales wrote:On October 10 2023 22:54 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
The game can't be "in the hands of the community" as Brood War was or as the Command & Conquer games are right now. These games have community run multiplayer servers independent of the corporation. SC2's multiplayer is exclusively run by Blizzard on Blizzard servers. If the community had its own private SC2 servers it could become a "community game". Right now, its Blizzard property.
A community server would be super cool. That fairly obviously isn't true, because tons of games rely on a vibrant modding community to increase their replay value even though they run on central servers. You don't need public servers to have a thriving modding community. it is still not "in the hands of the community". When the corp shuts down servers the game ends. When the community owns the servers and/or when there are private servers the game has the potential to live forever. You're conflating community members doing things for the community and that community potentially lasting forever.
no, i'm contrasting how C&C is "in the community's hands" versus SC2. A Mod-der can spend 10,000 hours on an SC2 project and the next day ATVI can make it disappear. That is not the case with C&C and EA. A modder of games like NHL '94 or a C&C game has far greater agency than any volunteer working around SC2.
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Yes, and Blizzard will enjoy the millions of dollars this new patch brings in for them...
Care to explain how can Blizzard enjoy millions of dollars from this new patch to a free game from which Blizzard doesn't see a dime but pours millions of dollars to keep server farms live with minimum ping for the whole world?
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On October 11 2023 04:39 CiuCiu wrote:Show nested quote +Yes, and Blizzard will enjoy the millions of dollars this new patch brings in for them... Care to explain how can Blizzard enjoy millions of dollars from this new patch to a free game from which Blizzard doesn't see a dime but pours millions of dollars to keep server farms live with minimum ping for the whole world?
Yes, I certainly can explain that. Hope it doesn't get too technical:
It was sarcasm :3
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