Hey all!

Today I have a piece with the old school Chinese Protoss, MacSed. He and I had a wonderful talk, ranging from his early days with StarCraft and his start with Invictus Gaming, to crying at the sight of Oliveira World Championship years later. I hope you all enjoy my word with this StarCraft veteran.

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luxon

United States117 Posts

August 30 2023 20:47 GMT

How do you interview a guy whose only notable achievement is throwing games for money, something that we banned the GOAT Life for, and not ask him about his cheating scandal... I used to really respect your work too, you can't soft pedal just because these people give you an interview... disappointing.

phodacbiet

United States1740 Posts

August 30 2023 23:05 GMT

On August 31 2023 05:47 luxon wrote:
How do you interview a guy whose only notable achievement is throwing games for money, something that we banned the GOAT Life for, and not ask him about his cheating scandal... I used to really respect your work too, you can't soft pedal just because these people give you an interview... disappointing.

Spicy.

Funny enough though, that incident was the first time I ever heard of MaxPax. I remember my reaction at that time to the accusation was, "we really going to use the excuse of getting a build from some ladder random named MaxPax to explain why a diamond 2-0 a GM that's also a pro player?" Turns out the build came from the Danish Prince himself!

But yeah, those losses were definitely sketch, should've asked him about it.

yubo56

690 Posts

August 31 2023 01:16 GMT

Wait, how is MaxPax involved in this? I remember the controversy (Macsed vs Seventy G2; https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/b0t9ia/all_the_mistakes_by_macsed_in_game_two_vs_seventy/), but I don't remember MaxPax being involved. It's a cannon rush vs proxy 4 gate in the linked game

I imagine there's no use bringing it up in an interview; he's probably already said everything he planned to say on the issue, and he represents a rare look into the chinese scene, and one of the oldest perspectives at that. I don't remember the final verdict on the game, but plenty of players have played suspicious games that were investigated and acquitted and have been let back into the scene without being completely blacklisted (MKP vs Byul is the most famous, and scattered Zest games here and there). I think as long as there's a formal verdict of innocence, it's counterproductive to be too vicious about content creators trying to bring us new content with a fresh perspective...

MKP vs Byul even had betting patterns: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/305fkt/pinnacle_voids_yet_another_bet_in_spl_this_time/
Zest vs souL also with suspicious betting patterns: https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/561363-betting-suspicious-activity-detected#1

It seems the community has mostly let these two cases go, and the Macsed game didn't have any reported anomalous betting lines, so I'd give Macsed the benefit of the doubt and let the guy be interviewed

Balnazza

Germany1281 Posts

August 31 2023 02:26 GMT

"We" didn't ban Life, dude got literally sentenced by a court...maybe just don't be a fucking moron and you get to stick around to get your ass handed by Serral and Maru...
But just to be clear: From now on, we should ask any player who ever had one suspiscious series about that in every interview they give? Well, that's gonna be fun :3

Anyway, back to topic:
For me MacSed will always be one of those prospect chinese WC3 players that Mousesports suddenly presented. And even though he didn't really make the cut, it is cool to see that he still was able to build a career in Esports.

phodacbiet

United States1740 Posts

August 31 2023 06:26 GMT

On August 31 2023 10:16 yubo56 wrote:
Wait, how is MaxPax involved in this? I remember the controversy (Macsed vs Seventy G2; https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/b0t9ia/all_the_mistakes_by_macsed_in_game_two_vs_seventy/), but I don't remember MaxPax being involved. It's a cannon rush vs proxy 4 gate in the linked game

I imagine there's no use bringing it up in an interview; he's probably already said everything he planned to say on the issue, and he represents a rare look into the chinese scene, and one of the oldest perspectives at that. I don't remember the final verdict on the game, but plenty of players have played suspicious games that were investigated and acquitted and have been let back into the scene without being completely blacklisted (MKP vs Byul is the most famous, and scattered Zest games here and there). I think as long as there's a formal verdict of innocence, it's counterproductive to be too vicious about content creators trying to bring us new content with a fresh perspective...

MKP vs Byul even had betting patterns: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/305fkt/pinnacle_voids_yet_another_bet_in_spl_this_time/
Zest vs souL also with suspicious betting patterns: https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/561363-betting-suspicious-activity-detected#1

It seems the community has mostly let these two cases go, and the Macsed game didn't have any reported anomalous betting lines, so I'd give Macsed the benefit of the doubt and let the guy be interviewed

Macsed blamed one of the losses on a MaxPax build. Said Seventy consulted MaxPax and blind countered him (something along those line lol).

yubo56

690 Posts

August 31 2023 11:49 GMT

On August 31 2023 15:26 phodacbiet wrote:
Macsed blamed one of the losses on a MaxPax build. Said Seventy consulted MaxPax and blind countered him (something along those line lol).

oh didn't know this haha thanks neat

papapanda

Taiwan326 Posts

August 31 2023 12:28 GMT

On August 31 2023 20:49 yubo56 wrote:

Show nested quote +

oh didn't know this haha thanks neat

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/b0vbi9/macseds_response_for_matchfixing/

Wasn't it Rail?

Anyways, that was a matchfix and a half no matter how you look at it. His statements made no sense; "I thought he has doing a gasless expand so I blocked his gas so he can't counter my cannon rush" what? These are not mistakes... he wouldve defended better if he a moved everything and walked away from the computer.

Ultimately I appreciate what he did for the scene, especially in China. Would've like to hear a more authentic response in person to uncomfortable questions, but otherwise a nice interview.

JustTTimberlake

8 Posts

August 31 2023 13:36 GMT

yeah macsed is a dirty matchfixer, and his explanation of this game is just a nuts, especially with pinnacle's match against this guy seventy was jumping crazy as hell , with odds going down from 5 to 2 on his map win , and were jumping from 3 to 2 for a several hours.

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