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On September 07 2022 01:31 True_Spike wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2022 21:57 Tommy131313 wrote:On September 06 2022 20:01 True_Spike wrote:
All it takes to balance the game is make creep tumors have 0 vision. Ok, then the queen should get a "vision" spell, that would be the equivalent to terran scouting option. But then, why should we have a balancing between different races/abilities at all? Wouldn't it be most fair, if it was mirror matchups all day long? Alas, maybe not too interesting matches then... And that's exactly why zerg has overlords  Zerg vision on creep (coupled with creep's speed bonus) is what makes it much easier to always be prepared / in the right position for any attack mid to late game without risking an actual unit (or any other real trade-off, really) for that piece of intel. It also makes it easier to spread creep itself (since, again, you don't need a unit there to give vision). But I digress... Serral is obviously the best player right now anyways. I just don't find it coincidental, however, that most other top contenders happen to be zerg, too.
Back in BW T had scans and P had observers (just like their sc2 counterparts), and clearly Z was doing fine without needing creeps to also provide vision. I do wonder why Blizzard felt the need to give sc2 Z another form of vision when imo it wasn't needed
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Back in BW T had scans and P had observers (just like their sc2 counterparts), and clearly Z was doing fine without needing creeps to also provide vision. I do wonder why Blizzard felt the need to give sc2 Z another form of vision when imo it wasn't needed.
Because StarCraft 2 is a completely different game, and one that is faster paced. Cliffs and terrain hurdles are far less important. Medivacs can boost and heal armies, warp prisms are insanely good. Removing vision from creep would require an entire balance patch of Zerg fixes.
Creep is almost another resource or territory to fight over, it’s a very good addition. The recent creep nerf(s) have been good though, it was too strong.
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On September 06 2022 22:45 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2022 22:06 Tommy131313 wrote:Always entertaining to read the comments when a korean player has lost the final to a European (that is normally Serral or Reynor...). "opponent's race is broken" "tournament wasn't important enough for Koreans" "opponents win doesn't count, if he has never won a GSL" "in previous times competition/quality of game was so much higher (...the good old times...)" Did I forget something?  First point is true but that's always the case when a Zerg wins a tournament. 2nd and 3rd point you're just making up as I haven't seen it anywhere and 4th point I haven't read here after the finals but is objectively true
someone literally said that solar said that Maru was taking this tourney not as serious and 'many koreans didn't practice' so the 2nd point stands
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On September 05 2022 23:59 CicadaSC wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2022 23:24 Argonauta wrote:
Disappointing result by Maru, he already got 3 second places this year. For others, that many finals may seem like an amazing run, but Maru is the best Sc2 player. He needs to step up with his game, pronto. solar said himself not many Koreans practiced for this tournament, and maru also said he is just going to play comfortably. it shows.
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when will people stop whining about race imbalance? when it is fixed - which is increasingly looking like it never will be.
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When will people realize that Koreans don't care about SC2 anymore?
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On September 07 2022 07:21 pandorasheep wrote:
When will people realize that Koreans don't care about SC2 anymore?
I didn't realise we was just making stuff up now.
Congrats to Serral for another decent showing. It's nice to see the GOAT argument is still going strong with attacking other races, balance whining, etc.
Am I the only one actually enjoying the state of the game at the moment?
"This person didn't perform well at X tournament. Therefore bad."
Well this goes for Serral too, all players have ups and downs and moments when they go pure tryhard. It's the nature of the game.
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On September 07 2022 07:21 pandorasheep wrote:
When will people realize that Koreans don't care about SC2 anymore?
When people realize that foreigners care less than Koreans
Whoever cares the least wins
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On September 07 2022 10:23 DreamlnCode wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2022 07:21 pandorasheep wrote:
When will people realize that Koreans don't care about SC2 anymore? I didn't realise we was just making stuff up now. Congrats to Serral for another decent showing. It's nice to see the GOAT argument is still going strong with attacking other races, balance whining, etc. Am I the only one actually enjoying the state of the game at the moment? "This person didn't perform well at X tournament. Therefore bad." Well this goes for Serral too, all players have ups and downs and moments when they go pure tryhard. It's the nature of the game.
Serral doesnt have downs.
He has lower ups
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On September 08 2022 02:24 Curufinwe Feanor wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2022 10:23 DreamlnCode wrote:On September 07 2022 07:21 pandorasheep wrote:
When will people realize that Koreans don't care about SC2 anymore? I didn't realise we was just making stuff up now. Congrats to Serral for another decent showing. It's nice to see the GOAT argument is still going strong with attacking other races, balance whining, etc. Am I the only one actually enjoying the state of the game at the moment? "This person didn't perform well at X tournament. Therefore bad." Well this goes for Serral too, all players have ups and downs and moments when they go pure tryhard. It's the nature of the game. Serral doesnt have downs. He has lower ups
Serral's down is top 4 finishes and/or lower brackets wins lol. The guy is just a monster
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Congrats to Serral and thanks to TL, Shopify, and everyone who made this happen.
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On September 07 2022 03:34 Husyelt wrote:Show nested quote +Back in BW T had scans and P had observers (just like their sc2 counterparts), and clearly Z was doing fine without needing creeps to also provide vision. I do wonder why Blizzard felt the need to give sc2 Z another form of vision when imo it wasn't needed. Because StarCraft 2 is a completely different game, and one that is faster paced. Cliffs and terrain hurdles are far less important. Medivacs can boost and heal armies, warp prisms are insanely good. Removing vision from creep would require an entire balance patch of Zerg fixes. Creep is almost another resource or territory to fight over, it’s a very good addition. The recent creep nerf(s) have been good though, it was too strong.
Creep absolutely needs to stay in the game, for sure. My only issue is with vision and alert giving creep tumors.
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Really nice event, fantastic production value, and Feardragon absolutely nailed it as a host. I dunno what it is, but he's so fundamentally likable.
One caveat would be that the bracket contest seems to have kind of been swept under the rug - it going up barely 24h before the start of the event and no updates on the progress as well as no explanation on how things would be adjusted after players got swapped out after losing was a little disappointing, even if my bracket itself didn't have a bat's chance in hell anymore when this all unfolded. It just stands out quite a bit compared to the excellence of the rest of it.
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Serral holding a balloon animal trophy is just 😙👌
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Dominican Republic614 Posts
why i dont still understand
How a zerg can beat a Terran Mixed units aka Tanks, Depots, mines, Marines, ghost, Planetary frotress with just Tier 1 units AKA lings and banelings? 
that pretty insane and who ever say its ok is kinda wrong
there was a game where Serral attacked Maru with the unit describe and Serral was back to 200 in just 1minute while Maru still was trying to figure out what happened and he was down to like 150ish supply
Zerg economy i just way to strong late game and early game is basically impossible to do damage to then due to the efficient queen 
queen needs to be weaker or increase their supply count somehow its not making a lot of sense to me.
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On September 11 2022 03:09 BonitiilloO wrote:why i dont still understand How a zerg can beat a Terran Mixed units aka Tanks, Depots, mines, Marines, ghost, Planetary frotress with just Tier 1 units AKA lings and banelings? that pretty insane and who ever say its ok is kinda wrong there was a game where Serral attacked Maru with the unit describe and Serral was back to 200 in just 1minute while Maru still was trying to figure out what happened and he was down to like 150ish supply Zerg economy i just way to strong late game and early game is basically impossible to do damage to then due to the efficient queen queen needs to be weaker or increase their supply count somehow its not making a lot of sense to me.
Watch the games again thanks
Apparently hydra vipers and infestors are tier 1 units now?
If you gonna troll and complain at least do your homework first
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Dominican Republic614 Posts
On September 11 2022 03:19 TossHeroes wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2022 03:09 BonitiilloO wrote:why i dont still understand How a zerg can beat a Terran Mixed units aka Tanks, Depots, mines, Marines, ghost, Planetary frotress with just Tier 1 units AKA lings and banelings? that pretty insane and who ever say its ok is kinda wrong there was a game where Serral attacked Maru with the unit describe and Serral was back to 200 in just 1minute while Maru still was trying to figure out what happened and he was down to like 150ish supply Zerg economy i just way to strong late game and early game is basically impossible to do damage to then due to the efficient queen queen needs to be weaker or increase their supply count somehow its not making a lot of sense to me. Watch the games again thanks Apparently hydra vipers and infestors are tier 1 units now? If you gonna troll and complain at least do your homework first
saw the games, how can someone be trolling with a big post and common sense?
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France12790 Posts
On September 11 2022 03:09 BonitiilloO wrote:why i dont still understand How a zerg can beat a Terran Mixed units aka Tanks, Depots, mines, Marines, ghost, Planetary frotress with just Tier 1 units AKA lings and banelings? that pretty insane and who ever say its ok is kinda wrong there was a game where Serral attacked Maru with the unit describe and Serral was back to 200 in just 1minute while Maru still was trying to figure out what happened and he was down to like 150ish supply Zerg economy i just way to strong late game and early game is basically impossible to do damage to then due to the efficient queen queen needs to be weaker or increase their supply count somehow its not making a lot of sense to me.
I think one of the problems with this fast remax style is how easy it is for zergs on LotV to manage larva, maybe they should bring back the way it was on HotS?
That and the rapid fire production + not so difficult micro, makes this strat very effective and not particularly hard to execute.
But indeed those Serral vs Maru games were a bit painful to watch.
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Dominican Republic614 Posts
On September 11 2022 04:53 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2022 03:09 BonitiilloO wrote:why i dont still understand How a zerg can beat a Terran Mixed units aka Tanks, Depots, mines, Marines, ghost, Planetary frotress with just Tier 1 units AKA lings and banelings? that pretty insane and who ever say its ok is kinda wrong there was a game where Serral attacked Maru with the unit describe and Serral was back to 200 in just 1minute while Maru still was trying to figure out what happened and he was down to like 150ish supply Zerg economy i just way to strong late game and early game is basically impossible to do damage to then due to the efficient queen queen needs to be weaker or increase their supply count somehow its not making a lot of sense to me. I think one of the problems with this fast remax style is how easy it is for zergs on LotV to manage larva, maybe they should bring back the way it was on HotS? That and the rapid fire production + not so difficult micro, makes this strat very effective and not particularly hard to execute. But indeed those Serral vs Maru games were a bit painful to watch.
Queen is the issue, i dont remember last time zerg invested money on static defenses like the used to do in Broodwar, now they just go mass queen and that all, their economy doesn't suffer in any meaningful way.
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On September 11 2022 03:09 BonitiilloO wrote:why i dont still understand How a zerg can beat a Terran Mixed units aka Tanks, Depots, mines, Marines, ghost, Planetary frotress with just Tier 1 units AKA lings and banelings? that pretty insane and who ever say its ok is kinda wrong there was a game where Serral attacked Maru with the unit describe and Serral was back to 200 in just 1minute while Maru still was trying to figure out what happened and he was down to like 150ish supply Zerg economy i just way to strong late game and early game is basically impossible to do damage to then due to the efficient queen queen needs to be weaker or increase their supply count somehow its not making a lot of sense to me.
You mean the game where Maru crushed that pure Ling-Bane army mostly with Ghosts because Ghosts literally counter every Zerg unit?
That was a pure eco-win and if Maru would have defended 1-2 more times, Serral definetly would have thrown that game...
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What an amazing time I had !!
The production, staff, players …everyone was amazing !!
I got to hold the trophy first !! Haha
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