[TSL 9] - Serral wins TSL9 - Page 2

On September 06 2022 00:28 swarminfestor wrote:


Cannot say for Serral either before 2018. Maru is freaking dominant. One or two year lackluster results didn't determine the whole career achievements.

On September 06 2022 00:40 TossHeroes wrote:


Using that argument. Maru has an average career if you take out his 2018 results. There are 10+ Korean players that has a better achievement than him

The Goat argument is between Rogue and Serral (wouldn’t disagree too much with either choices. Maru is a distance 3rd unless he can win one world championship to close the gap

I would even put Dark comfortably over Maru if he manage to win another GSL or world championship

On September 06 2022 02:28 Charoisaur wrote:

Nah the Goat argument is between Rogue and Maru. Serral still doesn't have enough high-tier tournament wins....

... I can also play this game. Just accept this is down to subjective opinion and there is no 'objective Goat' atm.





Except for this. This is not down to subjective opinion because the RTS Goat is Flash and it isn't remotely close

On September 06 2022 02:46 argonautdice wrote:


Nah, Flash played SC2 for 4 years and only won a single non-GSL/World Championship premier tournament. Never even made it to the playoffs in GSL.

On September 06 2022 01:11 JJH777 wrote:


Maru without 2018 still has 3 starleagues a bunch of small stuff like season finals/last chance/super tournament/kob/asus and is the best proleague player of all time. There are no where near 10 Koreans that beat that resume.

On September 06 2022 05:05 TossHeroes wrote:


Mvp, inno. Mc, nestea, taeja, life , stats, classic, dear, rain, dark , rogue etc. Maru is easily outside of Top 10 without his 2018 accomplishment

Most of them are all GSL winners during the golden era or the “hardest” trophy to win (like all the Korean elitist like to say)
Maru was basically a gatekeeper during that time

Not the water down GSLs Maru won

Dear and classic GSL > Maru ssl. (Am I doing it right guys? Or is that rule only for Mary’s GSL?)

On September 06 2022 04:29 Poopi wrote:

BW was still the most competitive RTS of all time and being the undisputed GOAT there qualifies you as RTS GOAT.

I did not witness / doesn’t watch much BW so for me Maru has been the most impressive RTS player of all time but I only watched sc2 and a bit of Warcraft 3.

One has to wonder though, if younger promising players that went into sc2 and stayed in it like INno / Zest would have kept playing BW (well all of kespa), would they have surpassed Flash?

Because prime INno during HotS was a scary monster

On September 06 2022 05:27 JJH777 wrote:


Maru won OSL in 2013 and SSL in 2015 both during the hardest era. That's also when he was the best proleague player and regularly the last Terran standing in GSL during some seasons that were rather atrocious for Terran. He then won a GSL in 2019 got 3 more 2nd places and won a bunch of smaller stuff I already mentioned in the last couple years. MC/Nestea/Taeja/CLassic/Dear/Rain are all no where near Maru in overall accomplishment even completely disregarding everything he did in 2018. That leaves Life/Dark/Rogue/Mvp/Inno.

There is no meaningful distinction in terms of difficulty to win between OSL/SSL and GSL. They had similar prize pools (bit less for SSL but only because it didn't pay 17-32nd which doesn't make a tournament harder to win) and near identical formats and player pools. The OSL he won was a straight up GSL replacement for that season anyways.

It's especially funny that you are arguing this while simultaneously arguing Serral is the goat. You're basically arguing all the stuff Maru won the last year or two is worthless if you really think those players have more accomplishments than him. If you think Last Chance/Season Finals/KOB are worthless then more than half of Serral's trophies are worthless including this TSL.