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swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
September 05 2022 15:28 GMT
#21
On September 05 2022 23:58 Spirral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2022 23:24 Argonauta wrote:
Disappointing result by Maru, he already got 3 second places this year. For others, that many finals may seem like an amazing run, but Maru is the best Sc2 player. He needs to step up with his game, pronto.

Maybe he is the second best sc2 player after all?


Cannot say for Serral either before 2018. Maru is freaking dominant. One or two year lackluster results didn't determine the whole career achievements.
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
TossHeroes
Profile Joined February 2022
281 Posts
September 05 2022 15:40 GMT
#22
On September 06 2022 00:28 swarminfestor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2022 23:58 Spirral wrote:
On September 05 2022 23:24 Argonauta wrote:
Disappointing result by Maru, he already got 3 second places this year. For others, that many finals may seem like an amazing run, but Maru is the best Sc2 player. He needs to step up with his game, pronto.

Maybe he is the second best sc2 player after all?


Cannot say for Serral either before 2018. Maru is freaking dominant. One or two year lackluster results didn't determine the whole career achievements.


Using that argument. Maru has an average career if you take out his 2018 results. There are 10+ Korean players that has a better achievement than him

The Goat argument is between Rogue and Serral (wouldn’t disagree too much with either choices. Maru is a distance 3rd unless he can win one world championship to close the gap

I would even put Dark comfortably over Maru if he manage to win another GSL or world championship
RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
September 05 2022 15:52 GMT
#23
MaruKongPrime
gg no re thx
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4404 Posts
September 05 2022 16:11 GMT
#24
On September 06 2022 00:40 TossHeroes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2022 00:28 swarminfestor wrote:
On September 05 2022 23:58 Spirral wrote:
On September 05 2022 23:24 Argonauta wrote:
Disappointing result by Maru, he already got 3 second places this year. For others, that many finals may seem like an amazing run, but Maru is the best Sc2 player. He needs to step up with his game, pronto.

Maybe he is the second best sc2 player after all?


Cannot say for Serral either before 2018. Maru is freaking dominant. One or two year lackluster results didn't determine the whole career achievements.


Using that argument. Maru has an average career if you take out his 2018 results. There are 10+ Korean players that has a better achievement than him

The Goat argument is between Rogue and Serral (wouldn’t disagree too much with either choices. Maru is a distance 3rd unless he can win one world championship to close the gap

I would even put Dark comfortably over Maru if he manage to win another GSL or world championship


Maru without 2018 still has 3 starleagues a bunch of small stuff like season finals/last chance/super tournament/kob/asus and is the best proleague player of all time. There are no where near 10 Koreans that beat that resume.
pajen007
Profile Joined September 2020
7 Posts
September 05 2022 16:21 GMT
#25
serral!
pajen007
Profile Joined September 2020
7 Posts
September 05 2022 16:21 GMT
#26
Goat!
pajen007
Profile Joined September 2020
7 Posts
September 05 2022 16:21 GMT
#27
To good:D
MockHamill
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden1798 Posts
September 05 2022 16:56 GMT
#28
Serral is the greatest RTS player of all time. I do not think anyone has dominated the Aligulac rating for this long and he has won the most prize money of any SC2 player.

He is even ranked 29 in AOE4 for team games, even though he just play AOE4 on the side for fun.
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4906 Posts
September 05 2022 17:08 GMT
#29
On September 06 2022 01:56 MockHamill wrote:
Serral is the greatest RTS player of all time. I do not think anyone has dominated the Aligulac rating for this long and he has won the most prize money of any SC2 player.

He is even ranked 29 in AOE4 for team games, even though he just play AOE4 on the side for fun.



Scratch that, I have also seen him DESTROY people at 5v5 DOTA2, he is the personification of the ultimate gaming gamer!
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15927 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-09-05 17:29:31
September 05 2022 17:28 GMT
#30
On September 06 2022 00:40 TossHeroes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2022 00:28 swarminfestor wrote:
On September 05 2022 23:58 Spirral wrote:
On September 05 2022 23:24 Argonauta wrote:
Disappointing result by Maru, he already got 3 second places this year. For others, that many finals may seem like an amazing run, but Maru is the best Sc2 player. He needs to step up with his game, pronto.

Maybe he is the second best sc2 player after all?


Cannot say for Serral either before 2018. Maru is freaking dominant. One or two year lackluster results didn't determine the whole career achievements.


Using that argument. Maru has an average career if you take out his 2018 results. There are 10+ Korean players that has a better achievement than him

The Goat argument is between Rogue and Serral (wouldn’t disagree too much with either choices. Maru is a distance 3rd unless he can win one world championship to close the gap

I would even put Dark comfortably over Maru if he manage to win another GSL or world championship

Nah the Goat argument is between Rogue and Maru. Serral still doesn't have enough high-tier tournament wins....

... I can also play this game. Just accept this is down to subjective opinion and there is no 'objective Goat' atm.


On September 06 2022 01:56 MockHamill wrote:
Serral is the greatest RTS player of all time. I do not think anyone has dominated the Aligulac rating for this long and he has won the most prize money of any SC2 player.

He is even ranked 29 in AOE4 for team games, even though he just play AOE4 on the side for fun.



Except for this. This is not down to subjective opinion because the RTS Goat is Flash and it isn't remotely close
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
argonautdice
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada2718 Posts
September 05 2022 17:46 GMT
#31
On September 06 2022 02:28 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2022 00:40 TossHeroes wrote:
On September 06 2022 00:28 swarminfestor wrote:
On September 05 2022 23:58 Spirral wrote:
On September 05 2022 23:24 Argonauta wrote:
Disappointing result by Maru, he already got 3 second places this year. For others, that many finals may seem like an amazing run, but Maru is the best Sc2 player. He needs to step up with his game, pronto.

Maybe he is the second best sc2 player after all?


Cannot say for Serral either before 2018. Maru is freaking dominant. One or two year lackluster results didn't determine the whole career achievements.


Using that argument. Maru has an average career if you take out his 2018 results. There are 10+ Korean players that has a better achievement than him

The Goat argument is between Rogue and Serral (wouldn’t disagree too much with either choices. Maru is a distance 3rd unless he can win one world championship to close the gap

I would even put Dark comfortably over Maru if he manage to win another GSL or world championship

Nah the Goat argument is between Rogue and Maru. Serral still doesn't have enough high-tier tournament wins....

... I can also play this game. Just accept this is down to subjective opinion and there is no 'objective Goat' atm.


Show nested quote +
On September 06 2022 01:56 MockHamill wrote:
Serral is the greatest RTS player of all time. I do not think anyone has dominated the Aligulac rating for this long and he has won the most prize money of any SC2 player.

He is even ranked 29 in AOE4 for team games, even though he just play AOE4 on the side for fun.



Except for this. This is not down to subjective opinion because the RTS Goat is Flash and it isn't remotely close


Nah, Flash played SC2 for 4 years and only won a single non-GSL/World Championship premier tournament. Never even made it to the playoffs in GSL.
very illegal and very uncool
angry_maia
Profile Joined August 2020
312 Posts
September 05 2022 18:24 GMT
#32
On September 06 2022 02:46 argonautdice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2022 02:28 Charoisaur wrote:
On September 06 2022 00:40 TossHeroes wrote:
On September 06 2022 00:28 swarminfestor wrote:
On September 05 2022 23:58 Spirral wrote:
On September 05 2022 23:24 Argonauta wrote:
Disappointing result by Maru, he already got 3 second places this year. For others, that many finals may seem like an amazing run, but Maru is the best Sc2 player. He needs to step up with his game, pronto.

Maybe he is the second best sc2 player after all?


Cannot say for Serral either before 2018. Maru is freaking dominant. One or two year lackluster results didn't determine the whole career achievements.


Using that argument. Maru has an average career if you take out his 2018 results. There are 10+ Korean players that has a better achievement than him

The Goat argument is between Rogue and Serral (wouldn’t disagree too much with either choices. Maru is a distance 3rd unless he can win one world championship to close the gap

I would even put Dark comfortably over Maru if he manage to win another GSL or world championship

Nah the Goat argument is between Rogue and Maru. Serral still doesn't have enough high-tier tournament wins....

... I can also play this game. Just accept this is down to subjective opinion and there is no 'objective Goat' atm.


On September 06 2022 01:56 MockHamill wrote:
Serral is the greatest RTS player of all time. I do not think anyone has dominated the Aligulac rating for this long and he has won the most prize money of any SC2 player.

He is even ranked 29 in AOE4 for team games, even though he just play AOE4 on the side for fun.



Except for this. This is not down to subjective opinion because the RTS Goat is Flash and it isn't remotely close


Nah, Flash played SC2 for 4 years and only won a single non-GSL/World Championship premier tournament. Never even made it to the playoffs in GSL.


Flash's dominance in SC1 instantly wins him GOAT title for RTS. I'm willing to bet that the vast majority of pro starcraft players (1 or 2) would agree.
MockHamill
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden1798 Posts
September 05 2022 18:31 GMT
#33
Flash is not the greatest RTS player.
He was the best in BW but in SC2 he was mid-tier, not even near the best players.
So he had to go back to BW in order to compete.
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12794 Posts
September 05 2022 19:29 GMT
#34
On September 06 2022 03:31 MockHamill wrote:
Flash is not the greatest RTS player.
He was the best in BW but in SC2 he was mid-tier, not even near the best players.
So he had to go back to BW in order to compete.

BW was still the most competitive RTS of all time and being the undisputed GOAT there qualifies you as RTS GOAT.

I did not witness / doesn’t watch much BW so for me Maru has been the most impressive RTS player of all time but I only watched sc2 and a bit of Warcraft 3.

One has to wonder though, if younger promising players that went into sc2 and stayed in it like INno / Zest would have kept playing BW (well all of kespa), would they have surpassed Flash?

Because prime INno during HotS was a scary monster
WriterMaru
TossHeroes
Profile Joined February 2022
281 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-09-05 20:11:13
September 05 2022 20:05 GMT
#35
On September 06 2022 01:11 JJH777 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2022 00:40 TossHeroes wrote:
On September 06 2022 00:28 swarminfestor wrote:
On September 05 2022 23:58 Spirral wrote:
On September 05 2022 23:24 Argonauta wrote:
Disappointing result by Maru, he already got 3 second places this year. For others, that many finals may seem like an amazing run, but Maru is the best Sc2 player. He needs to step up with his game, pronto.

Maybe he is the second best sc2 player after all?


Cannot say for Serral either before 2018. Maru is freaking dominant. One or two year lackluster results didn't determine the whole career achievements.


Using that argument. Maru has an average career if you take out his 2018 results. There are 10+ Korean players that has a better achievement than him

The Goat argument is between Rogue and Serral (wouldn’t disagree too much with either choices. Maru is a distance 3rd unless he can win one world championship to close the gap

I would even put Dark comfortably over Maru if he manage to win another GSL or world championship


Maru without 2018 still has 3 starleagues a bunch of small stuff like season finals/last chance/super tournament/kob/asus and is the best proleague player of all time. There are no where near 10 Koreans that beat that resume.


Mvp, inno. Mc, nestea, taeja, life , stats, classic, dear, rain, dark , rogue etc. Maru is easily outside of Top 10 without his 2018 accomplishment

Most of them are all GSL winners during the golden era or the “hardest” trophy to win (like all the Korean elitist like to say)
Maru was basically a gatekeeper during that time

Not the water down GSLs Maru won

Dear and classic GSL > Maru ssl. (Am I doing it right guys? Or is that rule only for Mary’s GSL?)

Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13320 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-09-05 20:21:35
September 05 2022 20:20 GMT
#36
On September 06 2022 05:05 TossHeroes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2022 01:11 JJH777 wrote:
On September 06 2022 00:40 TossHeroes wrote:
On September 06 2022 00:28 swarminfestor wrote:
On September 05 2022 23:58 Spirral wrote:
On September 05 2022 23:24 Argonauta wrote:
Disappointing result by Maru, he already got 3 second places this year. For others, that many finals may seem like an amazing run, but Maru is the best Sc2 player. He needs to step up with his game, pronto.

Maybe he is the second best sc2 player after all?


Cannot say for Serral either before 2018. Maru is freaking dominant. One or two year lackluster results didn't determine the whole career achievements.


Using that argument. Maru has an average career if you take out his 2018 results. There are 10+ Korean players that has a better achievement than him

The Goat argument is between Rogue and Serral (wouldn’t disagree too much with either choices. Maru is a distance 3rd unless he can win one world championship to close the gap

I would even put Dark comfortably over Maru if he manage to win another GSL or world championship


Maru without 2018 still has 3 starleagues a bunch of small stuff like season finals/last chance/super tournament/kob/asus and is the best proleague player of all time. There are no where near 10 Koreans that beat that resume.


Mvp, inno. Mc, nestea, taeja, life , stats, classic, dear, rain, dark , rogue etc. Maru is easily outside of Top 10 without his 2018 accomplishment

Most of them are all GSL winners during the golden era or the “hardest” trophy to win (like all the Korean elitist like to say)
Maru was basically a gatekeeper during that time

Not the water down GSLs Maru won

Dear and classic GSL > Maru ssl. (Am I doing it right guys? Or is that rule only for Mary’s GSL?)


Maru still had a bunch of Ro4s and Ro8s during that era, and more than any other player except perhaps INnoVation. Yes, the GSLs were harder back then, which is why the bunch of Ro4s and Ro8s makes up for the lack of a GSL win. And SSL is worth just as much as a GSL, it's the exact same pool of player except it started at Ro16. And his OSL win which replaced GSL that season.
And putting Taeja on that list... Jesus
Why am I answering seriously to a troll, how low have I fallen. I'm not even a Maru fan
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4404 Posts
September 05 2022 20:27 GMT
#37
On September 06 2022 05:05 TossHeroes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2022 01:11 JJH777 wrote:
On September 06 2022 00:40 TossHeroes wrote:
On September 06 2022 00:28 swarminfestor wrote:
On September 05 2022 23:58 Spirral wrote:
On September 05 2022 23:24 Argonauta wrote:
Disappointing result by Maru, he already got 3 second places this year. For others, that many finals may seem like an amazing run, but Maru is the best Sc2 player. He needs to step up with his game, pronto.

Maybe he is the second best sc2 player after all?


Cannot say for Serral either before 2018. Maru is freaking dominant. One or two year lackluster results didn't determine the whole career achievements.


Using that argument. Maru has an average career if you take out his 2018 results. There are 10+ Korean players that has a better achievement than him

The Goat argument is between Rogue and Serral (wouldn’t disagree too much with either choices. Maru is a distance 3rd unless he can win one world championship to close the gap

I would even put Dark comfortably over Maru if he manage to win another GSL or world championship


Maru without 2018 still has 3 starleagues a bunch of small stuff like season finals/last chance/super tournament/kob/asus and is the best proleague player of all time. There are no where near 10 Koreans that beat that resume.


Mvp, inno. Mc, nestea, taeja, life , stats, classic, dear, rain, dark , rogue etc. Maru is easily outside of Top 10 without his 2018 accomplishment

Most of them are all GSL winners during the golden era or the “hardest” trophy to win (like all the Korean elitist like to say)
Maru was basically a gatekeeper during that time

Not the water down GSLs Maru won

Dear and classic GSL > Maru ssl. (Am I doing it right guys? Or is that rule only for Mary’s GSL?)



Maru won OSL in 2013 and SSL in 2015 both during the hardest era. That's also when he was the best proleague player and regularly the last Terran standing in GSL during some seasons that were rather atrocious for Terran. He then won a GSL in 2019 got 3 more 2nd places and won a bunch of smaller stuff I already mentioned in the last couple years. MC/Nestea/Taeja/CLassic/Dear/Rain are all no where near Maru in overall accomplishment even completely disregarding everything he did in 2018. That leaves Life/Dark/Rogue/Mvp/Inno.

There is no meaningful distinction in terms of difficulty to win between OSL/SSL and GSL. They had similar prize pools (bit less for SSL but only because it didn't pay 17-32nd which doesn't make a tournament harder to win) and near identical formats and player pools. The OSL he won was a straight up GSL replacement for that season anyways.

It's especially funny that you are arguing this while simultaneously arguing Serral is the goat. You're basically arguing all the stuff Maru won the last year or two is worthless if you really think those players have more accomplishments than him. If you think Last Chance/Season Finals/KOB are worthless then more than half of Serral's trophies are worthless including this TSL.
TossHeroes
Profile Joined February 2022
281 Posts
September 05 2022 20:29 GMT
#38
On September 06 2022 04:29 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2022 03:31 MockHamill wrote:
Flash is not the greatest RTS player.
He was the best in BW but in SC2 he was mid-tier, not even near the best players.
So he had to go back to BW in order to compete.

BW was still the most competitive RTS of all time and being the undisputed GOAT there qualifies you as RTS GOAT.

I did not witness / doesn’t watch much BW so for me Maru has been the most impressive RTS player of all time but I only watched sc2 and a bit of Warcraft 3.

One has to wonder though, if younger promising players that went into sc2 and stayed in it like INno / Zest would have kept playing BW (well all of kespa), would they have surpassed Flash?

Because prime INno during HotS was a scary monster


Flash is the goat BW hands down and it’s not even close

Goat RTS of all time? Nah not even close

There is a big difference between competitive and difficult

BW is not the most difficult RTS ( most popular? Sure)
TossHeroes
Profile Joined February 2022
281 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-09-05 20:39:19
September 05 2022 20:35 GMT
#39
On September 06 2022 05:27 JJH777 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2022 05:05 TossHeroes wrote:
On September 06 2022 01:11 JJH777 wrote:
On September 06 2022 00:40 TossHeroes wrote:
On September 06 2022 00:28 swarminfestor wrote:
On September 05 2022 23:58 Spirral wrote:
On September 05 2022 23:24 Argonauta wrote:
Disappointing result by Maru, he already got 3 second places this year. For others, that many finals may seem like an amazing run, but Maru is the best Sc2 player. He needs to step up with his game, pronto.

Maybe he is the second best sc2 player after all?


Cannot say for Serral either before 2018. Maru is freaking dominant. One or two year lackluster results didn't determine the whole career achievements.


Using that argument. Maru has an average career if you take out his 2018 results. There are 10+ Korean players that has a better achievement than him

The Goat argument is between Rogue and Serral (wouldn’t disagree too much with either choices. Maru is a distance 3rd unless he can win one world championship to close the gap

I would even put Dark comfortably over Maru if he manage to win another GSL or world championship


Maru without 2018 still has 3 starleagues a bunch of small stuff like season finals/last chance/super tournament/kob/asus and is the best proleague player of all time. There are no where near 10 Koreans that beat that resume.


Mvp, inno. Mc, nestea, taeja, life , stats, classic, dear, rain, dark , rogue etc. Maru is easily outside of Top 10 without his 2018 accomplishment

Most of them are all GSL winners during the golden era or the “hardest” trophy to win (like all the Korean elitist like to say)
Maru was basically a gatekeeper during that time

Not the water down GSLs Maru won

Dear and classic GSL > Maru ssl. (Am I doing it right guys? Or is that rule only for Mary’s GSL?)



Maru won OSL in 2013 and SSL in 2015 both during the hardest era. That's also when he was the best proleague player and regularly the last Terran standing in GSL during some seasons that were rather atrocious for Terran. He then won a GSL in 2019 got 3 more 2nd places and won a bunch of smaller stuff I already mentioned in the last couple years. MC/Nestea/Taeja/CLassic/Dear/Rain are all no where near Maru in overall accomplishment even completely disregarding everything he did in 2018. That leaves Life/Dark/Rogue/Mvp/Inno.

There is no meaningful distinction in terms of difficulty to win between OSL/SSL and GSL. They had similar prize pools (bit less for SSL but only because it didn't pay 17-32nd which doesn't make a tournament harder to win) and near identical formats and player pools. The OSL he won was a straight up GSL replacement for that season anyways.

It's especially funny that you are arguing this while simultaneously arguing Serral is the goat. You're basically arguing all the stuff Maru won the last year or two is worthless if you really think those players have more accomplishments than him. If you think Last Chance/Season Finals/KOB are worthless then more than half of Serral's trophies are worthless including this TSL.


Serral has two world championships the hardest and most prestige. A dream and ultimate goal for all sc2 players

Serral went, conquer, and left with 2 GSL’s. Both path to victory were harder than any of Maru’s GSL

Whichever Serral IS the big dog. Whichever tournament he attends instantly becomes S tier

At the end of day Goat is subjective. Someone can have Naniwa as Goat (but who really cares at the end of the day)
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13320 Posts
September 05 2022 20:39 GMT
#40
On September 06 2022 05:35 TossHeroes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2022 05:27 JJH777 wrote:
On September 06 2022 05:05 TossHeroes wrote:
On September 06 2022 01:11 JJH777 wrote:
On September 06 2022 00:40 TossHeroes wrote:
On September 06 2022 00:28 swarminfestor wrote:
On September 05 2022 23:58 Spirral wrote:
On September 05 2022 23:24 Argonauta wrote:
Disappointing result by Maru, he already got 3 second places this year. For others, that many finals may seem like an amazing run, but Maru is the best Sc2 player. He needs to step up with his game, pronto.

Maybe he is the second best sc2 player after all?


Cannot say for Serral either before 2018. Maru is freaking dominant. One or two year lackluster results didn't determine the whole career achievements.


Using that argument. Maru has an average career if you take out his 2018 results. There are 10+ Korean players that has a better achievement than him

The Goat argument is between Rogue and Serral (wouldn’t disagree too much with either choices. Maru is a distance 3rd unless he can win one world championship to close the gap

I would even put Dark comfortably over Maru if he manage to win another GSL or world championship


Maru without 2018 still has 3 starleagues a bunch of small stuff like season finals/last chance/super tournament/kob/asus and is the best proleague player of all time. There are no where near 10 Koreans that beat that resume.


Mvp, inno. Mc, nestea, taeja, life , stats, classic, dear, rain, dark , rogue etc. Maru is easily outside of Top 10 without his 2018 accomplishment

Most of them are all GSL winners during the golden era or the “hardest” trophy to win (like all the Korean elitist like to say)
Maru was basically a gatekeeper during that time

Not the water down GSLs Maru won

Dear and classic GSL > Maru ssl. (Am I doing it right guys? Or is that rule only for Mary’s GSL?)



Maru won OSL in 2013 and SSL in 2015 both during the hardest era. That's also when he was the best proleague player and regularly the last Terran standing in GSL during some seasons that were rather atrocious for Terran. He then won a GSL in 2019 got 3 more 2nd places and won a bunch of smaller stuff I already mentioned in the last couple years. MC/Nestea/Taeja/CLassic/Dear/Rain are all no where near Maru in overall accomplishment even completely disregarding everything he did in 2018. That leaves Life/Dark/Rogue/Mvp/Inno.

There is no meaningful distinction in terms of difficulty to win between OSL/SSL and GSL. They had similar prize pools (bit less for SSL but only because it didn't pay 17-32nd which doesn't make a tournament harder to win) and near identical formats and player pools. The OSL he won was a straight up GSL replacement for that season anyways.

It's especially funny that you are arguing this while simultaneously arguing Serral is the goat. You're basically arguing all the stuff Maru won the last year or two is worthless if you really think those players have more accomplishments than him. If you think Last Chance/Season Finals/KOB are worthless then more than half of Serral's trophies are worthless including this TSL.


Serral has two world championships the hardest and most prestige. A dream and ultimate goal for all sc2 players

Serral went, conquer, and left with 2 GSL’s. Both path to victory were harder than any of Maru’s GSL

Whichever Serral IS the big dog. Whichever tournament he attends instantly becomes S tier

So why isn't Rogue the GOAT according to your criteria?
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