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Update [July 29, 2022]
O'Gaming have decided to allow China and Team Peace to compete online
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Canada8991 Posts
On June 30 2022 01:03 ZeroGo wrote:
The point is, O'gaming told Peace and China that if they qualified in Ro8 they could play online but they denied what they said. This, I would say, is dishonorable action and they should be ashamed. If they still run matches in the future, who will continue to believe what they say is valid? I have reason to believe that they revised what they said because of the sponsors or the French team being eliminated.
And what are those reasons exactly?
Also, Ogaming changed their stance, Peace and China will be allowed to play from online. Case closed
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Absolutely [-------] atrociously handled by oGaming.
Big respect to Harstem and uThermal though.
EDIT: Glad to see they've changed their stance and will allow the online competition.
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On June 30 2022 01:41 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2022 01:03 ZeroGo wrote:
The point is, O'gaming told Peace and China that if they qualified in Ro8 they could play online but they denied what they said. This, I would say, is dishonorable action and they should be ashamed. If they still run matches in the future, who will continue to believe what they say is valid? I have reason to believe that they revised what they said because of the sponsors or the French team being eliminated. And what are those reasons exactly? Also, Ogaming changed their stance, Peace and China will be allowed to play from online. Case closed
Props to this change of stance and thank you all for voicing your opinions here. Your voices brought more fairness to this event. Hopefully the organizers will be more cautious next time. Also thanks again for hosting this SC2 event that unites us around the globe.
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On June 30 2022 02:01 robotc_sc2 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2022 01:41 Nakajin wrote:On June 30 2022 01:03 ZeroGo wrote:
The point is, O'gaming told Peace and China that if they qualified in Ro8 they could play online but they denied what they said. This, I would say, is dishonorable action and they should be ashamed. If they still run matches in the future, who will continue to believe what they say is valid? I have reason to believe that they revised what they said because of the sponsors or the French team being eliminated. And what are those reasons exactly? Also, Ogaming changed their stance, Peace and China will be allowed to play from online. Case closed Props to this change of stance and thank you all for voicing your opinions here. Your voices brought more fairness to this event. Hopefully the organizers will be more cautious next time. Also thanks again for hosting this SC2 event that unites us around the globe.
Hoping that next time they will have a better crisis management, because ironically, they might have not needed to do that backpedaling if they had better PR skills. That was reeking of, " They don't learn their lessons ... "
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On June 30 2022 02:05 Philippe wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2022 02:01 robotc_sc2 wrote:On June 30 2022 01:41 Nakajin wrote:On June 30 2022 01:03 ZeroGo wrote:
The point is, O'gaming told Peace and China that if they qualified in Ro8 they could play online but they denied what they said. This, I would say, is dishonorable action and they should be ashamed. If they still run matches in the future, who will continue to believe what they say is valid? I have reason to believe that they revised what they said because of the sponsors or the French team being eliminated. And what are those reasons exactly? Also, Ogaming changed their stance, Peace and China will be allowed to play from online. Case closed Props to this change of stance and thank you all for voicing your opinions here. Your voices brought more fairness to this event. Hopefully the organizers will be more cautious next time. Also thanks again for hosting this SC2 event that unites us around the globe. Hoping that next time they will have a better crisis management, because ironically, they might have not needed to do that backpedaling if they had better PR skills. That was reeking of, " They don't learn their lessons ... "
Yes I hope so as well. In the end, a good tourney is for the benefits of all of us.
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Its ALL WRONG... Brasil should have been qualified instead of China or Peace team.
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I'm glad they turned around on this matter.
If they hadn't wanted anyone to play from online, they would have had to say so before the tournament started.
to me it kinda feels like Ogaming's strategy was "well, China and Russia probably won't make it to round of 4 anyway so it won't matter".
hope-based strategies are hardly ideal, as has become clear here. but like I said, glad they cleared it up and everybody can play as intended.
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Really glad it turned out this way.
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On June 30 2022 01:03 ZeroGo wrote:
The point is, O'gaming told Peace and China that if they qualified in Ro8 they could play online but they denied what they said. This, I would say, is dishonorable action and they should be ashamed. If they still run matches in the future, who will continue to believe what they say is valid? I have reason to believe that they revised what they said because of the sponsors or the French team being eliminated.
Do not worry, given that they were standing to lose 15K€ on the event before this shitshow (possibly more now, depending on airfare savings vs likely ticket + sponsor losses), it is unlikely that they ever run international events anymore.
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Nobody could have predicted how things turned out. It is totally unfair to blame o'gaming for this situation. Lets enjoy what is possible.
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Great to see Ogaming make a change.
From the very beginning, the discussion among StarCraft players was not about China and the Peace Corps being disqualified from the competition, nor about the distribution of prize money, but about Ogaming's inconsistency in words and deeds.
Without that announcement (perhaps not officially, but it exists) that online play is allowed, it wouldn't have been so controversial. In SCBOY's live stream, TIME and CYAN were clearly signaled by Ogaming staff to allow online RO4 matches after the game, but it was overturned within a day, which is unacceptable.
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On June 30 2022 01:41 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2022 01:03 ZeroGo wrote:
The point is, O'gaming told Peace and China that if they qualified in Ro8 they could play online but they denied what they said. This, I would say, is dishonorable action and they should be ashamed. If they still run matches in the future, who will continue to believe what they say is valid? I have reason to believe that they revised what they said because of the sponsors or the French team being eliminated. And what are those reasons exactly? Also, Ogaming changed their stance, Peace and China will be allowed to play from online. Case closed
I wrote this post before knowing they allowed two teams to play it online, and I should use "thoughts" insteads of "reason", sorry.
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I will still say, the problem here was the miscommunication from oGaming. Personally, I don't like the idea of some players being online and others offline. I know Riot did it for MSI, but RNG was monitored the entire time, having a very special setup. Obviously that won't be the case here.
The ruling should have been clear from the start: Either you can attend offline or you shouldn't participate. Now rolling back because of the backlash (and because they had trouble finding replacement)...oh well. Hope the rest goes smoothly from here.
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China6333 Posts
Good to see Ogaming coming back to their senses.
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Reasonable change of mind/stance by the organizers. A little stink remains, yes.. but i'm glad it ended like it did.
Let the best team win!
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Glad to see this one get resolved, and now we can focus on DH Valencia for the next couple days.
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They made the mistake to promise offline finals to attending spectators and online finals to players who could not attend. That was really dumb. They had no choice but to go back on their words one way or another and as the funders can legitimately ask for a refund (in an event which is already losing ogaming some money), I understand why they would prefer to screw the players. Nevertheless it's never the right choice to screw the people who did most of the hard work, ie the players, and the organisers have to pay for the consequences of their mistake so it's better the way it is now.
In the end, we're a step closer to being dependant only on Saudi ESL and Microsoft money for offline events, (and Amazon for streams), only dubious corps at best (ok ESL not yet but for how long?). The growth of esports sure was fast but it quickly turned into muddy water. That's why I don't understand the extend of this backlash, sure they did mistakes (and eventually did the right choice) but give them some slack, it's a passion event and they end up with a shitty lan. I'm not a fan of the entire scene being in the grasp of all those big greedy corporations and would have liked to see a bit more forgiveness towards a small organiser.
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it all started fishy with that tournament format
a format so dumb that you have to wonder why
which team is the main profiteer
it was not top heavy enough for the one hit wonders like italy finnland and denmark
and it was not deep enough that the 3/4/5 players of a country are in it like for korea ore germany
( with only 2 players in it you could not even called it a nation cup just a random 2vs2 cup)
and on top of it the 2vs2 team was super important
the 1 country that did profit most from that format was france
from start to finish they pushed the france team with unfair dishonest advantages
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I think what we can learn from this is that organizing a tournament is hard.
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