EPTNation Wars 7 - China/Team Peace controversy - Page 2
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Update [July 29, 2022] O'Gaming have decided to allow China and Team Peace to compete online | ||
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Durnuu
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p1cass0
46 Posts
On June 28 2022 15:37 TheOneAboveU wrote: Seems like Ogaming moved themselves into a lose-lose-position here. They seemingly promised teams they could play online, but then realized too late they took crowdfunding money explicitly to hold an offline event. So it's either break a promise to the teams or to the people who gave you money. Unfortunate for China and Team Peace. The coincidence of France standing to gain from the situation doesn't make it look any better, of course. Ogaming should have communicated from the get-go to teams that offline participation is required. If a nation's players couldn't guarantee that, they shouldn't have been allowed to attend in the first place and maybe be placed into a showmatch or something to still give them a chance to play. If the opion of the sponsors is what ogaming is worring about, I don't see cancelling the semi-final at all will make them happier than an online match. The dicision just doesn't make any sense. | ||
Poopi
France13023 Posts
On June 28 2022 18:40 p1cass0 wrote: If the opion of the sponsors is what ogaming is worring about, I don't see cancelling the semi-final at all will make them happier than an online match. The dicision just doesn't make any sense. I think (I have no idea about what they will actually do) the plan is to fly Mexico and France offline since they lost to China and Team Peace (if that team also can't attend), or have all losing quarterfinals team battle it out so the winners go to the offline part to replace China / Peace. | ||
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
What is the Sponsor even paying for? It s not covering costs, it s not Posting the price pool Pls correct me, but to me (Who participated in the crowdfunder) this seems like they tried covering Ostsee multiple Times over to make the Maximum profit. The nft shit they tried fits that picture sadly I m never going to give Ogaming money again | ||
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robotc_sc2
10 Posts
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Legendk
France231 Posts
On June 28 2022 19:17 dbRic1203 wrote: They allready Covered all their Cost with the Crowdfunding thing, where only 1/4 of the money went into the price Pool What is the Sponsor even paying for? It s not covering costs, it s not Posting the price pool Pls correct me, but to me (Who participated in the crowdfunder) this seems like they tried covering Ostsee multiple Times over to make the Maximum profit. The nft shit they tried fits that picture sadly I m never going to give Ogaming money again Why are you giving your money to them in the 1st place ?? ... | ||
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robotc_sc2
10 Posts
On June 28 2022 19:17 dbRic1203 wrote: They allready Covered all their Cost with the Crowdfunding thing, where only 1/4 of the money went into the price Pool What is the Sponsor even paying for? It s not covering costs, it s not Posting the price pool Pls correct me, but to me (Who participated in the crowdfunder) this seems like they tried covering Ostsee multiple Times over to make the Maximum profit. The nft shit they tried fits that picture sadly I m never going to give Ogaming money again Please don't, and they definitely need to explain in details how they actually spent the crowdfunded money! If the money is not fully used for the tournament, then what is it used for? Purely personal gains? | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16103 Posts
So either don't let them participate at all or allow them to play online. Letting them play and then disqualifying them makes zero sense. Just terrible organizing | ||
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MJG
United Kingdom1451 Posts
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fgg19911
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tl_dpg
Canada1 Post
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Harris1st
Germany7445 Posts
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BuqunSC2
China25 Posts
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yf_kevin_zhu
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ChevalierHu
9 Posts
I don't know if this is against the competitive spirit of sports,but I don't think it's a good choice for the sponsor to renege. I am very disappointed that the organizer has done so,no matter from what point of view | ||
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WGT-Baal
France3577 Posts
For some reason French esport organisation (in SC2 at least, Karmine Corp seems to do things fine) has always been a mess, with good ideas wrecked by incompetence, a lot of unnecessary echelons and roadblock in the organisation and barely any contingency planning. Notable exception to this was DH Tours which was honestly a blast. This is really sad because there are also a lot of really passionate people and I really hope they learn from this and get better. Mistakes happen, and some of the past NW event ended up great, so it s not all garbage either (EDIT: sorry I didn't intend to sound so negative with that first paragraph). Also feel sorry for all the fans, the casters, the players who were looking forward to it. | ||
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robotc_sc2
10 Posts
On June 28 2022 23:21 WGT-Baal wrote: It may or may not be intentionally made to help the French team though the optics are not good. But having been to French LANs, ref-ed the WCG qualis and seen OGaming in the early days, as well as ESWC orga, I m not surprised it ended up that way. For some reason French esport organisation (in SC2 at least, Karmine Corp seems to do things fine) has always been a mess, with good ideas wrecked by incompetence, a lot of unnecessary echelons and roadblock in the organisation and barely any contingency planning. Notable exception to this was DH Tours which was honestly a blast. This is really sad because there are also a lot of really passionate people and I really hope they learn from this and get better. Mistakes happen, and some of the past NW event ended up great, so it s not all garbage either (EDIT: sorry I didn't intend to sound so negative with that first paragraph). Also feel sorry for all the fans, the casters, the players who were looking forward to it. Thank you for the post and your point of view. Feeling sorry does sound comforting but it ends up solving little. In fact, the Chinese team worked very hard to get to the semifinals only to be DQ'd, and it solely adds insult to the injuries on top of their invitation to the tourney (Yes they got invited to be DQ'd!). If such a DQ decision needs to be made, it should be made before the quarterfinals, not after. It is so unprofessional and full of malice to come to such an end result. | ||
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lechatnoir
392 Posts
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tigera6
3516 Posts
On June 29 2022 00:12 lechatnoir wrote: Can't blame the organizers for the costs of flights but man this looks dumb. Most people are getting mad because they didnt tell the teams on time, instead telling them to keep on playing, but only change it after the whole online part is over AND France got eliminated. So the optics is just terrible on this. The air-ticket price from and to China has been extremely pricey and selective for a long time because of their Covid policy, everyone who dealing with traveling should know that. | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24239 Posts
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