EPTI think it's smart when some tournaments add extra prize money for round-robin wins; it makes sure that every match is still competitive. Doesn't seem like GSL is incorporating anything like that.
GSL Tour 2022 format and schedule announced
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WickedCestus
Canada25 Posts
I think it's smart when some tournaments add extra prize money for round-robin wins; it makes sure that every match is still competitive. Doesn't seem like GSL is incorporating anything like that. | ||
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
On January 20 2022 07:24 WickedCestus wrote: I'm interested to see the round-robin format return to the GSL. Reminds me of the old Up-and-Down groups and how crazy they sometimes got. I remember Wolf and Khaldor always struggling to figure out all the permutations of who could still get out and who couldn't. I think it's smart when some tournaments add extra prize money for round-robin wins; it makes sure that every match is still competitive. Doesn't seem like GSL is incorporating anything like that. I think I remember an up and down matches group that ended in all ties so they had to redo the entire group? Think Creator was in it | ||
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WickedCestus
Canada25 Posts
On January 20 2022 10:48 Schelim wrote: I think I remember an up and down matches group that ended in all ties so they had to redo the entire group? Think Creator was in it This rings a bell. There were plenty of times where they had to do three-way tiebreakers that could potentially go on forever. Plenty of invoking of the "players under 18 can't play after midnight" rule by the casters, but I don't remember it ever actually coming into effect. That format was so funny. I remember having to double-check the diagram on Liquipedia so often because it was all just so convoluted. Back in the days when it cost $100/yr to watch GSL in standard def! | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
(Yes, giving prize money or points for wins would be the best solution to incentivise players to give their all for every game) | ||
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Drfilip
Sweden590 Posts
When SSL had round robin format I was excited about the possibility of following individual players and looking at how the lesser players did vs different strong players. Instead of seeing someone get slapped by Solar and get knocked out on day 1, I got to see them put up a fight vs soO and show that Solar was a bad match up. I am happy that GSL is implementing this. Had GSL made the round robin being an even bigger part would be even better. Round robin is great for longer tournaments. GSL code S is the longest single player tournament of high level. Team leagues have used round robin on the regular. They end it with a play-off bracket. It is like many other sports e.g. hockey, floor ball, football. Weekenders don't have time for a round robin, so they are understandably using quicker formats. Code S can use their added time for a more fair system. | ||
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
On January 20 2022 21:32 Drfilip wrote: Comparing each player vs every other player is the most fair way of testing who is the best. It is objectively less volatile with a bo3 round robin than bo5 single elimination. When SSL had round robin format I was excited about the possibility of following individual players and looking at how the lesser players did vs different strong players. Instead of seeing someone get slapped by Solar and get knocked out on day 1, I got to see them put up a fight vs soO and show that Solar was a bad match up. I am happy that GSL is implementing this. Had GSL made the round robin being an even bigger part would be even better. Round robin is great for longer tournaments. GSL code S is the longest single player tournament of high level. Team leagues have used round robin on the regular. They end it with a play-off bracket. It is like many other sports e.g. hockey, floor ball, football. Weekenders don't have time for a round robin, so they are understandably using quicker formats. Code S can use their added time for a more fair system. DH EU has had Round Robin Groups for 2 years now and the majority of fans and Players don t realy like it anymore. For the Players it feels like every single map is super important For the fans it feels like a forgone conclusion In the end we get burned out Players and low quality games | ||
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tigera6
3352 Posts
On January 20 2022 23:09 dbRic1203 wrote: DH EU has had Round Robin Groups for 2 years now and the majority of fans and Players don t realy like it anymore. For the Players it feels like every single map is super important For the fans it feels like a forgone conclusion In the end we get burned out Players and low quality games The issue with DH EU, imo, is that its made of 8-Players group, meaning 7 round and up to 4 players move to the bracket, which is also double elimination. So its just that the value of the win in the group stage isnt that much. Also, the player pool at the top level is only around 12-16 at most, meaning only around 16 player got a real shot at making deep. So they should just make it like the old GSL format where lower-tier player go through an extra group stage and top-tier go seeded straight into the next round. | ||
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Master of DalK
Canada1797 Posts
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RKC
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4184 Posts
On January 19 2022 07:27 Kelazhur wrote: Interesting gap in prize earned from runner-up to champion. Apparently 200% the prize wasn't enough of a jump before, now it almost triples  yeah this is a terrible change, tbh mixed feelings about this format.. I think there was honestly nothing wrong with the previous one.. | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4184 Posts
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TelecoM
United States10670 Posts
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Moonerz
United States444 Posts
Curious to see how this new format plays out. The semis being shortened is a little strange but perhaps it's a Rogue nerf =b | ||
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TheRealMoOnrai
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10327 Posts
Having quarters be Bo3 makes some sense since it's half of a double-elim bracket, but it might be less exciting than before, we'll see. The RR stage might be the most "important/exciting" part now, but just guessing. Semis being Bo5 is OK I guess, I kept thinking semis was Bo5 anyway but was surprised seeing it's Bo7 whenever I watch. Don't like the 1st place getting 2.5x as 2nd place... it should be double at most. Overall it'll be nice seeing a different format, but I'm not sure if I really like the sound of it much so far. | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24193 Posts
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AcrossFromTime
29 Posts
I'm curious whether the organizers ever even considered this problem, that a high placement in one tournament is needed to qualify for the next tournament. To be clear, I have no problem with the format for the international season finals (it's a fun tournament!), but it necessitates reducing the prize money for the qualifying positions to offset the additional money they will earn at the season finals. More of that money needs to go to the non qualifying players, because they won't have the opportunity to earn even more money at the season finals. Anyway, not trying to upset anybody, I hope I was able to make my point in a calm manner that won't bother anybody. I'm just trying to say that situation for the last 10 years of Starcraft 2 esports is that the top players have earned more money than they will need in a lifetime, while the lower tier pros never even earned enough to live on. Had the situation been rectified sooner we would have a much larger roster of professional players today than we do. I know there are other factors at play, but even as viewership and prize money wanes, the money that is still there could be put to better use in a way that will keep the scene healthier for years to come. Sorry, I always complain about it, but it just makes me sad and frustrated since it's easily improvable. | ||
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Kevko5212
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NaRae
Korea (South)48 Posts
On November 28 2022 06:32 Kevko5212 wrote: I just arrived in Korea last night and am hoping to show up to the Thursday event. If I show up that morning, can I request a free ticket for that evening? I saw online that was the case, but it was from a blog post from 3 years ago and not sure if things have changed. Entrance is free, and you can enter from 1 hour before the start of the game. https://bj.afreecatv.com/afgsl/post/94634422 | ||
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Kevko5212
2 Posts
On November 28 2022 11:21 NaRae wrote: Entrance is free, and you can enter from 1 hour before the start of the game. https://bj.afreecatv.com/afgsl/post/94634422 Thanks! So does that mean that 1 hour prior to the start of the game is the earliest that you can get a ticket/seat? Or would showing up earlier that morning to get a ticket be possible? I would be pretty disappointed to be so close to attending only to have it be too full. | ||
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