• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 01:10
CEST 07:10
KST 14:10
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall10HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview18Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025)16Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, Rogue, Classic, GuMiho0TL Team Map Contest #5: Presented by Monster Energy6
Community News
Firefly given lifetime ban by ESIC following match-fixing investigation5$25,000 Streamerzone StarCraft Pro Series announced4Weekly Cups (June 30 - July 6): Classic Doubles5[BSL20] Non-Korean Championship 4x BSL + 4x China9Flash Announces Hiatus From ASL66
StarCraft 2
General
The SCII GOAT: A statistical Evaluation The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings Firefly given lifetime ban by ESIC following match-fixing investigation Weekly Cups (June 30 - July 6): Classic Doubles Jim claims he and Firefly were involved in match-fixing
Tourneys
$25,000 Streamerzone StarCraft Pro Series announced FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series WardiTV Mondays
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 481 Fear and Lava Mutation # 480 Moths to the Flame Mutation # 479 Worn Out Welcome Mutation # 478 Instant Karma
Brood War
General
i aint gon lie to u bruh... ASL20 Preliminary Maps BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ [ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall SC uni coach streams logging into betting site
Tourneys
[BSL20] Non-Korean Championship 4x BSL + 4x China [BSL20] Grand Finals - Sunday 20:00 CET CSL Xiamen International Invitational The Casual Games of the Week Thread
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers I am doing this better than progamers do.
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile What do you want from future RTS games? Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Summer Games Done Quick 2025! Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club! Maru Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NHL Playoffs 2024
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
Culture Clash in Video Games…
TrAiDoS
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 634 users

Is there easy cloning mode now? - Page 2

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 10 11 12 Next All
Zanno
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1484 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-08-06 11:29:47
August 06 2007 11:28 GMT
#21
war3 is not that spectacular because you only have 1-3 units that have moves that require heavy spell micro

if you could control 12 demon hunters, archmagi, death knights, the game would have had a lot more room for pimp plays
aaaaa
MindpLay-
Profile Joined August 2007
40 Posts
August 06 2007 11:52 GMT
#22
1 word: casters
Lifes a bitch.... and im her pimpdaddy
terranmetal
Profile Joined May 2007
Canada153 Posts
August 06 2007 11:55 GMT
#23
Ok someone in the thread mentioned how if the interface for cloning is improved, the pros will have more, and better things to concentrate on other than struggling with the interface. Lets take the example of people complaining about multiple building selection.

Someone who attended Blizzcon mentioned that it was very easy to macro, they had tons of minerals and with a click of about 3 buttons, he could reduce it all to nothing. This might be what seperated him from the noobs who did not take the time to hotkey their buildings are had an idea of what macro was. But think about it, this guy wasn't a pro yet he had perfect macro? would you be eliminating the macro part of the game then?

Think about what would be different if cloning were automated, and how it while used much more often, would seem much less impressive when done. If we take this away from the game what parts of the game would be left to be impressive.

WARNING: most of these won't be in SC2, but I'm just stating how important this is if we apply it to BW.

12 vessel irridiate = easy, select 12 vessels , then hit "i" then just click 12 lurkers boom their all dead now.

12 ghost lockdown on carriers = easy, as soon as you know their going carriers, start building ghosts, not long till they have 75 energy. now same thing hit "l" and each click means a lock downed carrier

24 scourge spread = just auto clone two on everything, no longer that impressive is it?

5 high templar storm = hotkey 5 HT to your "5" key, when engaged in TvP war, A + move your army, then hit 5 and click 5 times on the 5 clumped groups. now you don't have to click on each individual templar/unit portrait

3 defiler swarm path = just hit "w" then draw a path into the frontline of a T base, all the way inside, now A + move all your zerglings

12 battlecruiser fight = select 12 cruisers, hit s, now click on the opponents battle cruisers. In a real game, if your opponent were weaker than you, your yamato spread would dominate. Now the newb can equal your yamato spread.

While this might "improve" the interface, I do not believe cloning was that much of an interface hassle to begin with. Newbs original wouldn't bother with cloning, and only experienced players took advantage of it. If you make cloning this easy, you are allowing newbs to do these special micro moves, which pretty much takes the micro away from it. The moves I listed above are supposed to be what seperates the pro from the noob, all those techniques are essential to gain the upperhand in a battle, and truly seperates the experienced and faster hand speed player from a hasu player.
I play on BW west.
iamke55
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
United States2806 Posts
August 06 2007 12:24 GMT
#24
Starcraft improved greatly upon Command and Conquer's interface, did that break the game? No, people(or just one person) just came up with stuff like mass lockdown and mutalisk vs worker sniping to wow the audiences, instead of individual controlling 30 units in an army.
During practice session, I discovered very good build against zerg. -Bisu[Shield]
SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
August 06 2007 12:26 GMT
#25
I hate when people post out long poorly thought out posts.
POWER OVERWHELMING ! ! ! KRUU~ KRUU~
gravity
Profile Joined March 2004
Australia1847 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-08-06 12:38:17
August 06 2007 12:37 GMT
#26
You guys forget that it's not about "being impressive", it's about being fun to play. Being able to do more complex stuff without having super-high APM makes the game more interesting for the *players*, which is the most important part. I really doubt there will be a lack of spectacularity in pro games anyway - there will still be amazing 1 in 100 game moves, they just won't be exactly the same things that they are now, while regular gameplay will probably be more varied.
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
August 06 2007 12:48 GMT
#27
On August 06 2007 21:37 gravity wrote:
You guys forget that it's not about "being impressive", it's about being fun to play. Being able to do more complex stuff without having super-high APM makes the game more interesting for the *players*, which is the most important part. I really doubt there will be a lack of spectacularity in pro games anyway - there will still be amazing 1 in 100 game moves, they just won't be exactly the same things that they are now, while regular gameplay will probably be more varied.


its about being impressive for progaming though... :/
Graphicssavior[gm] : What is a “yawn” rape ;; Masumune - It was the year of the pig for those fucking defilers. Chill - A clinic you say? okum: SC without Korean yelling is like porn without sex. konamix: HAPPY BIRTHDAY MOMMY!
MindpLay-
Profile Joined August 2007
40 Posts
August 06 2007 13:12 GMT
#28
If the average player can do what pros do, the average joes will enjoy the game more? Logical, but blizz wants to be the game fast to learn, and a lifetime to master, so ur statement and their easy cloning is pretty contradictive
Lifes a bitch.... and im her pimpdaddy
SoleSteeler
Profile Joined April 2003
Canada5417 Posts
August 06 2007 13:20 GMT
#29
So, if every Joe-Schmo can play as well as a pro, but still lose to a pro, what makes a person pro? (And yes, they will lose, horribly, just as it is now)

It's not just because they can click fast. I can do that too :/

P.S. where were you guys 6 weeks ago when we found out that Smartcasting was in the game? This isn't news >_<



ocoini
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
648 Posts
August 07 2007 01:33 GMT
#30
I'm totally against makeing the interface easier.. and i've always sucked at sc, There is nothing to go wow at when everyone can do it. And i totally lose interest.. They keep adding all theese useless bells and whistles to an allready perfect game. :\

Just have to sigh and shrug..
Street Vendor Crack Down Princess-Cop!
DrainX
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Sweden3187 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-08-07 01:47:52
August 07 2007 01:42 GMT
#31
I think that as long as they add a lot of possible things to micro it doesnt matter if the micro itself is made a bit easier. Blizzard have said that they will do just that.

Example:

Right now lets imagine a PvT the protoss army consisting of zealots, goons and HTs ready with storm. In BW the protoss player would attackmove the zealots and goons in, maybe moving the zealots so they walk past the frontline and then spread them over the tanks more evenly... then clone storms with the HT.

The same situation in SC2. Then sure the storms will be easier to cast but now at the same time as you cast your storms you will have to micro your stalkers to perfection using blink etc.
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8748 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-08-07 02:33:47
August 07 2007 02:24 GMT
#32
BW has the right amount of hand dexterity required. If a BW game goes long enough, even the pros known for their perfect mechanics have to make decisions with regard to BW's third resource: time. The top players have to decide how much time to spend with each pressing issue, knowing that the issues ignored will suffer. A computer game shouldn't be built such that if you know what to do, you can automatically do it. That's a board game. For example, in Chess, or Risk, it does not take any skill to move a piece. Simplifying a computer game's interface to the point that the action on screen is just an extension of your thoughts is a big mistake. How much of your decisions actually come through on-screen should be mitigated by hand speed.

Purposely setting up the interface this way is not supporting an outdated or stupid interface, but rather it is perfecting what makes computer games computer games as opposed to sports or board games. All games require decision-making but sports also require physical fitness, computer games require hand dexterity, and board games require nothing in addition at all. A tennis player can decide to hit the ball into the far corner, but he can still fail if his body is not capable of such strength and accuracy. It would be silliness to alter the game of tennis in some way such that players are not limited by their physical capabilities. Tennis fans know that the strategical requirements and the physical requirements of the game are already well-balanced.

I say that BW has achieved balance because it is quite comparable to other very successful games. The popular sports in America, like football, basketball and baseball, are all successful at both the professional and amateur levels. If you watch professional games, the best players in the world still come up short in performance: an NFL receiver drops a pass, an NBA player misses a shot, etc. These mistakes exist and in similar frequencies in each sport. "Easy" moves still have a noticable failure rate, likewise "impossible" moves still have a noticable success rate. And despite the professional players struggling to achieve perfection, millions of amateurs still love to play. The professionals and amateurs form a mutual relationship. Professionals need fans and replacements, amateurs need someone to look up to and try to copy.

Setting up a mutual symbiotic relationship between professionals and amateurs is the best way to make a game successful and long-lasting. There is a formula out there among all the most popular games in the world (mostly sports) and Blizzard just happened to strike upon it with BW. With SC2, Blizzard musn't leave it to blind luck again. The execution of strategies cannot be made any easier in SC2 than they are in BW.

PS: Blizzard's idea of making a game easy to learn but difficult to master is exactly what this is about, partly. It seems that they want to make the execution of strategies easy, while formulating strategies will take a lifetime. This is not how to make a proper computer game, especially not the successor to BW. People don't want an animated board game on their screens. Other RTS's have been going that direction and their games hold interest for less than a year. The solution is for Blizzard to apply "easy to learn, difficult to master" to both strategy and execution. That is, it's easy to learn how to clone magic spells, but it's incredibly difficult to master.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
DrainX
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Sweden3187 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-08-07 02:54:29
August 07 2007 02:52 GMT
#33
On August 07 2007 11:24 NonY[rC] wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

BW has the right amount of hand dexterity required. If a BW game goes long enough, even the pros known for their perfect mechanics have to make decisions with regard to BW's third resource: time. The top players have to decide how much time to spend with each pressing issue, knowing that the issues ignored will suffer. A computer game shouldn't be built such that if you know what to do, you can automatically do it. That's a board game. For example, in Chess, or Risk, it does not take any skill to move a piece. Simplifying a computer game's interface to the point that the action on screen is just an extension of your thoughts is a big mistake. How much of your decisions actually come through on-screen should be mitigated by hand speed.

Purposely setting up the interface this way is not supporting an outdated or stupid interface, but rather it is perfecting what makes computer games computer games as opposed to sports or board games. All games require decision-making but sports also require physical fitness, computer games require hand dexterity, and board games require nothing in addition at all. A tennis player can decide to hit the ball into the far corner, but he can still fail if his body is not capable of such strength and accuracy. It would be silliness to alter the game of tennis in some way such that players are not limited by their physical capabilities. Tennis fans know that the strategical requirements and the physical requirements of the game are already well-balanced.

I say that BW has achieved balance because it is quite comparable to other very successful games. The popular sports in America, like football, basketball and baseball, are all successful at both the professional and amateur levels. If you watch professional games, the best players in the world still come up short in performance: an NFL receiver drops a pass, an NBA player misses a shot, etc. These mistakes exist and in similar frequencies in each sport. "Easy" moves still have a noticable failure rate, likewise "impossible" moves still have a noticable success rate. And despite the professional players struggling to achieve perfection, millions of amateurs still love to play. The professionals and amateurs form a mutual relationship. Professionals need fans and replacements, amateurs need someone to look up to and try to copy.

Setting up a mutual symbiotic relationship between professionals and amateurs is the best way to make a game successful and long-lasting. There is a formula out there among all the most popular games in the world (mostly sports) and Blizzard just happened to strike upon it with BW. With SC2, Blizzard musn't leave it to blind luck again. The execution of strategies cannot be made any easier in SC2 than they are in BW.

PS: Blizzard's idea of making a game easy to learn but difficult to master is exactly what this is about, partly. It seems that they want to make the execution of strategies easy, while formulating strategies will take a lifetime. This is not how to make a proper computer game, especially not the successor to BW. People don't want an animated board game on their screens. Other RTS's have been going that direction and their games hold interest for less than a year. The solution is for Blizzard to apply "easy to learn, difficult to master" to both strategy and execution. That is, it's easy to learn how to clone magic spells, but it's incredibly difficult to master.



I completly agree with everything you say there. However dont you agree that how hard the controls are doesnt equal the hand dexterity required. If you put SC2s controlls into BW then that would obviously be a bad things since like you say the BW already has the right amount of hand dexterity required. However what if the difference between SC2s and BWs amount of "potential micro" is just as big as the inverse differance in ease of control. Wouldnt that make SC2 have the right amount of hand dexterity required while also enabling new players to do some cool things?
zobz
Profile Joined November 2005
Canada2175 Posts
August 07 2007 03:00 GMT
#34
On August 06 2007 21:26 SuperJongMan wrote:
I hate when people post out long poorly thought out posts.

i hate when people post the most general ridicule of a kind of post they possibly can instead of actually thinking of any specific rebuttle.

Starcraft isn't a fuckign board game. the reason for this is not because it's graphical. clicking fast is part of the game, and i doubt anyone here can click nearly as fast as a progamer, or do as much with the same amount of clicks, you're just moderates. ok i admit there seem to be multiple ways the necessity of clicking fast could be implimented, such as mass-expand orientedness plus highly open harassable bases. but anyone who's trying to tell me that the game will always be strategical, and that those who want coordination and focus on management are just elitists who don't want to let go of their hard earned skills, or that needing less management skills is more fun for newbs, i will still disagree with.

To a newb at any game or sport, the fun of it should always be in humbly trying to compete with your friends because you know anyone else can kick your ass. that can be fun, if you don't mind being humble. those who are not so comfortable with humbly accepting that the fact they are shit is plainly obvious when they play to themselves and anyone else, and that pros can do so many things they can't that it's an entirely different game, and having fun anyway, are the kind of assholes who attended schools where tag wasn't allowed because it was too competitive, or would send their offspring to such schools, and those who play wow because it's more gratifying than any other game to play on an extremely low level. not say there isn't a more competitive level of wow, but i'm just realizing that that's what i don't respect about the way games are being made these days. the newbs to whom the games are designed to be newb-friendly are fucking sissies with no sense of humility. it used to be different. /rant.
"That's not gonna be good for business." "That's not gonna be good for anybody."
Response
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
United States1936 Posts
August 07 2007 03:08 GMT
#35
On August 06 2007 17:20 Kwark wrote:
There is a degree of smart cloning in BW for example darchons with mind control. For high speed mass mind control you don't need to queue. Simply hold shift and tell them all to mind control each of the targets and they work it out themselves. I see no reason why they'd not extend this to other units, it would just be simplification of the interface.


you dont even have to push shift...if you have all your DA's selected and they all have energy and you select to Mind Control one unit only one will MC it then mc another and another will mc it etc.
the REAL ReSpOnSe
SoleSteeler
Profile Joined April 2003
Canada5417 Posts
August 07 2007 03:12 GMT
#36
On August 07 2007 12:08 GoSuPlAyEr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2007 17:20 Kwark wrote:
There is a degree of smart cloning in BW for example darchons with mind control. For high speed mass mind control you don't need to queue. Simply hold shift and tell them all to mind control each of the targets and they work it out themselves. I see no reason why they'd not extend this to other units, it would just be simplification of the interface.


you dont even have to push shift...if you have all your DA's selected and they all have energy and you select to Mind Control one unit only one will MC it then mc another and another will mc it etc.


Well of course, you can't mind control your own unit after all.
zobz
Profile Joined November 2005
Canada2175 Posts
August 07 2007 03:25 GMT
#37
On August 07 2007 11:52 DrainX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2007 11:24 NonY[rC] wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +




I completly agree with everything you say there. However dont you agree that how hard the controls are doesnt equal the hand dexterity required. If you put SC2s controlls into BW then that would obviously be a bad things since like you say the BW already has the right amount of hand dexterity required. However what if the difference between SC2s and BWs amount of "potential micro" is just as big as the inverse differance in ease of control. Wouldnt that make SC2 have the right amount of hand dexterity required while also enabling new players to do some cool things?
whether apm taking the form of multitasking entirely, instead of the difficulty of a lesser number of tasks which could more easily fit onto one screen, and be more comprehensible somewhat, turns out to be as observable is to be seen i guess. all in all the game doesn't sound that bad i think, as long as they stick to what nony just said about applying blizzard's montra to hand dexterity.
It will be very different though, just like warcraft 2 and warcraft 3 in my opinion from broodwar, very interesting and cool and respectable but none a replacement of another. i mean looking at it this way, i dont' see why anyone would want to switch from broodwar to sc2 except because of a better matchmaking system and such things and higher newb-friendliness. and nicer graphics. we should really play all the games at once or devote purely on gameplay preference imo, like athletic people do with soccer/football/basketball, etc. It's just a shame the games are never released to fix simple things like userbase, ladder system, maybe graphics, without touching the ui or gameplay. that videogames get old and semi-die is a real shame and product of a profit driven society.
"That's not gonna be good for business." "That's not gonna be good for anybody."
FlyingHamsta
Profile Joined August 2007
United States77 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-08-07 03:28:47
August 07 2007 03:26 GMT
#38
The pros will still be better than you.
ocoini
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
648 Posts
August 07 2007 03:45 GMT
#39
On August 07 2007 12:26 FlyingHamsta wrote:
The pros will still be better than you.


but i wont know, cus i wont be interested in watching them if the game isnt like starcraft
Street Vendor Crack Down Princess-Cop!
Blacklizard
Profile Joined May 2007
United States1194 Posts
August 07 2007 04:01 GMT
#40
On August 06 2007 20:28 Zanno wrote:
war3 is not that spectacular because you only have 1-3 units that have moves that require heavy spell micro

if you could control 12 demon hunters, archmagi, death knights, the game would have had a lot more room for pimp plays


QFT. And the huge amount of spells on the non-heroes in War3 were buffs/debuffs (right?)... which made them all sort of the same and not as exciting. Plus things never died fast.
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 10 11 12 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 4h 50m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft496
Nina 219
StarCraft: Brood War
Leta 284
PianO 128
Noble 28
Icarus 11
Dota 2
monkeys_forever717
League of Legends
JimRising 769
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K55
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox526
Other Games
summit1g7143
shahzam896
ViBE222
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick44682
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH307
• practicex 122
• Hupsaiya 60
• Kozan
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Migwel
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• Diggity7
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
League of Legends
• Rush1075
• masondota2567
• Stunt326
• Lourlo284
Upcoming Events
The PondCast
4h 50m
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
10h 50m
WardiTV European League
10h 50m
Jumy vs NightPhoenix
Percival vs Nicoract
ArT vs HiGhDrA
MaxPax vs Harstem
Scarlett vs Shameless
SKillous vs uThermal
Replay Cast
18h 50m
RSL Revival
1d 4h
ByuN vs SHIN
Clem vs Reynor
OSC
1d 7h
Replay Cast
1d 18h
RSL Revival
2 days
Classic vs Cure
FEL
2 days
OSC
2 days
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
3 days
FEL
3 days
FEL
3 days
CSO Cup
3 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
3 days
Bonyth vs QiaoGege
Dewalt vs Fengzi
Hawk vs Zhanhun
Sziky vs Mihu
Mihu vs QiaoGege
Zhanhun vs Sziky
Fengzi vs Hawk
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
FEL
4 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
4 days
Bonyth vs Dewalt
QiaoGege vs Dewalt
Hawk vs Bonyth
Sziky vs Fengzi
Mihu vs Zhanhun
QiaoGege vs Zhanhun
Fengzi vs Mihu
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-07-07
HSC XXVII
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
Acropolis #3
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
Championship of Russia 2025
RSL Revival: Season 1
Murky Cup #2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025

Upcoming

2025 ACS Season 2: Qualifier
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSL Xiamen Invitational
2025 ACS Season 2
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
SEL Season 2 Championship
FEL Cracov 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
Underdog Cup #2
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.