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Believe it into Existence: Reynor wins IEM Katowice 2021

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Sirris
Profile Joined November 2019
681 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-03-10 06:53:58
March 10 2021 06:53 GMT
#26
Fantastic article. Even as someone who very loosely follows sc2(broodwar is my thing), I'm definitely going to watch all these games now even though I know the results
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
March 10 2021 06:57 GMT
#27
On March 10 2021 15:53 Sirris wrote:
Fantastic article. Even as someone who very loosely follows sc2(broodwar is my thing), I'm definitely going to watch all these games now even though I know the results

I also had to rewatch the Dark series, because I couldn t watch it live unfortunatly. Still was absolutly amazing
MaxPax
bastiensky
Profile Joined April 2013
France7 Posts
March 10 2021 07:05 GMT
#28
so much epicness in that article after that much epicness in reynor's run ! thanks to the author !
parksonsc
Profile Joined May 2019
175 Posts
March 10 2021 07:56 GMT
#29
After all that was still an online tournament, Reynor is great but he is not the world champion to me.
Edpayasugo
Profile Joined April 2013
United Kingdom2217 Posts
March 10 2021 08:51 GMT
#30
Thanks for the write up, it was a phenomenal run and Reynor is a great and worthy champion.
FlaSh MMA INnoVation FanTaSy MKP TY Ryung | soO Dark Rogue | HuK PartinG Stork State
HolySmoke
Profile Joined August 2019
8 Posts
March 10 2021 09:43 GMT
#31
Well deserved, congrats Reynor. Extremely amazing run.
DevilDriver
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany77 Posts
March 10 2021 16:06 GMT
#32
This was a very memorable final for me. One take away in particular: Reynor seemed to struggle in late game situations, where he seems less experienced then most of his opponents and also Serral. However he is by far the most consistent early/midgame player. His mechanical as well as mental strength seem to outmatch that of every progamer thus far and having played this game for a considerable amount of time, it is actually very hard to believe for me that you can actually get that close to perfect.

The question for me is: Will we see (non-AI) players who will become even better than that (on a non-strategic level)? I can't imagine it, but the current trend suggests that. If Starcraft was a more stable e-sport and had a more promising future, I could see team houses introducing this archon method as a standard training device and a lot of youngsters rising to unimaginable heights. Most team houses are gone for now, but there still seem to be youngsters starting to play on a competitive level, but I doubt that many of them will actually consider a professional career, I hope I'm wrong there.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16062 Posts
March 10 2021 16:52 GMT
#33
absolutely heartbroken Maru choked again
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Noa Greenini
Profile Joined April 2015
265 Posts
March 10 2021 17:06 GMT
#34
GG well played and also well written!
Noa Greenini looks like the superior LR poster - Charoisaur 04/05/2019 (Serral vs Showtime match)
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
March 10 2021 17:26 GMT
#35
On March 11 2021 01:52 Charoisaur wrote:
absolutely heartbroken Maru choked again

Marus loss had nothing todo with him choking, he played amazing, eben in game 4 his error didn t even matter, because it was a build order loss anyways.
It was just that Teynor was able to adapt to his opponent and managed to transfer bis almost perfect early game into a midgame win instead a lategame loss
MaxPax
Xamo
Profile Joined April 2012
Spain886 Posts
March 10 2021 23:44 GMT
#36
Beautiful piece.
Long live the king!
My life for Aiur. You got a piece of me, baby. IIIIIIiiiiiii.
virpi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany3599 Posts
March 12 2021 04:13 GMT
#37
One of the great runs, that's for sure. He beat the best players of each race and showed incredible mental strength. imagine him winning in front of a hyped crowd at Katowice. Still, an outstanding achievement. His series vs. Maru will go down in SC2's history.
first we make expand, then we defense it.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16062 Posts
March 12 2021 13:42 GMT
#38
On March 11 2021 02:26 dbRic1203 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2021 01:52 Charoisaur wrote:
absolutely heartbroken Maru choked again

Marus loss had nothing todo with him choking, he played amazing, eben in game 4 his error didn t even matter, because it was a build order loss anyways.
It was just that Teynor was able to adapt to his opponent and managed to transfer bis almost perfect early game into a midgame win instead a lategame loss

In game 3 he also put himself incredibly far behind by not walling off correctly and letting his 3/3 get sniped for free due to poor ebay placement
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
rwala
Profile Joined December 2019
338 Posts
March 13 2021 17:44 GMT
#39
So happy for Reynor! What a champ! He just brought such epic matches and an amazing attitude and energy. The whole tourney was pretty awesome, one of the better ones in a long time. That said, as a huge Maru fan, it was painful to see how he went down to Reynor in game 4. It's being talked about like it was a build order loss (and maybe that's how the game would have played out anyway), but the straight up mistakes that Maru basically never makes were painful to watch. It would have been interesting to see what would have happened if he had actually gotten the fusion core up instead of mistakenly building a 3rd starport (probably dead anyway, but still...). Seems like Maru kind of made a meta/strategic miscalculation though in the series anyway. After those first two games how does Maru not stick with a survive-till-late-game approach for all the following games? Reynor clearly was outmatched in the late game so even with thoughtful adaptation you'd think Maru is pretty much 100% going to get 1 out of 3 games that go late game. Anyways, it's nice to see Maru back in form after seemingly having made a strong recovery from his injury. Hoping to see some Maru magic in 2021!
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26693 Posts
March 14 2021 04:52 GMT
#40
Glorious write up for a glorious run.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
xsnac
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Barbados1365 Posts
March 14 2021 06:03 GMT
#41
On March 10 2021 12:30 kawoq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2021 02:23 LennX wrote:
Long may he rein.

The archon training may be 1 of the best unorthodox training method that didn't come form the Korean grind.


I recall Boxer used to practice with Archon mode in Broodwar 1v2, no?

Great tournament to watch! Glad to see Reynor won it all, he deserve it, gg wp.


boxer? bro archon wasant in the game until last expansion of sc2...
1/4 \pi \epsilon_0
Neemi
Profile Joined August 2012
Netherlands656 Posts
March 15 2021 20:46 GMT
#42
On March 14 2021 15:03 xsnac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2021 12:30 kawoq wrote:
On March 10 2021 02:23 LennX wrote:
Long may he rein.

The archon training may be 1 of the best unorthodox training method that didn't come form the Korean grind.


I recall Boxer used to practice with Archon mode in Broodwar 1v2, no?

Great tournament to watch! Glad to see Reynor won it all, he deserve it, gg wp.


boxer? bro archon wasant in the game until last expansion of sc2...


Brood War had team melee, which was essentially the same thing with a different name. Boxer indeed used it a lot, he says a lot about this in his autobiography.

https://thethroneesports.com/2018/03/12/chapter-2-birth-of-a-progamer/#Four
Cute
MyLovelyLurker
Profile Joined April 2007
France756 Posts
March 16 2021 13:58 GMT
#43
Gonna call this now, Reynor's essentially the young Son Goku of SC2. Equally goofy and godlike when serious - the textbook prodigy. Who could possibly dislike this kid (rhetorical, don't answer) ? Thanks for the wonderful write-up.
"I just say, it doesn't matter win or lose, I just love Starcraft 2, I love this game, I love this stage, just play like in practice" - TIME/Oliveira
ExpatRights
Profile Joined February 2021
53 Posts
April 17 2021 16:17 GMT
#44
On March 14 2021 02:44 rwala wrote:
So happy for Reynor! What a champ! He just brought such epic matches and an amazing attitude and energy. The whole tourney was pretty awesome, one of the better ones in a long time. That said, as a huge Maru fan, it was painful to see how he went down to Reynor in game 4. It's being talked about like it was a build order loss (and maybe that's how the game would have played out anyway), but the straight up mistakes that Maru basically never makes were painful to watch. It would have been interesting to see what would have happened if he had actually gotten the fusion core up instead of mistakenly building a 3rd starport (probably dead anyway, but still...). Seems like Maru kind of made a meta/strategic miscalculation though in the series anyway. After those first two games how does Maru not stick with a survive-till-late-game approach for all the following games? Reynor clearly was outmatched in the late game so even with thoughtful adaptation you'd think Maru is pretty much 100% going to get 1 out of 3 games that go late game. Anyways, it's nice to see Maru back in form after seemingly having made a strong recovery from his injury. Hoping to see some Maru magic in 2021!


Hmmm. When a player makes tons of uncharacteristic mistakes, like refusing to use a strategy that just won them the previous 2 matches in the next 3... hmmm....
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3483 Posts
April 17 2021 17:12 GMT
#45
On April 18 2021 01:17 ExpatRights wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2021 02:44 rwala wrote:
So happy for Reynor! What a champ! He just brought such epic matches and an amazing attitude and energy. The whole tourney was pretty awesome, one of the better ones in a long time. That said, as a huge Maru fan, it was painful to see how he went down to Reynor in game 4. It's being talked about like it was a build order loss (and maybe that's how the game would have played out anyway), but the straight up mistakes that Maru basically never makes were painful to watch. It would have been interesting to see what would have happened if he had actually gotten the fusion core up instead of mistakenly building a 3rd starport (probably dead anyway, but still...). Seems like Maru kind of made a meta/strategic miscalculation though in the series anyway. After those first two games how does Maru not stick with a survive-till-late-game approach for all the following games? Reynor clearly was outmatched in the late game so even with thoughtful adaptation you'd think Maru is pretty much 100% going to get 1 out of 3 games that go late game. Anyways, it's nice to see Maru back in form after seemingly having made a strong recovery from his injury. Hoping to see some Maru magic in 2021!


Hmmm. When a player makes tons of uncharacteristic mistakes, like refusing to use a strategy that just won them the previous 2 matches in the next 3... hmmm....


Maru couldnt play the same way as in the first 2 games even if he wanted to, that because Reynor were DONE with using Lurker and Broodlord after those losses. Sure Maru made mistake with his build and wall-in in game 3 and 4, but he wouldnt be able to fight the same way. Just look at game 5, where Reynor was doing lingabane Muta into lingbaneUltra, try to use the quick pace to force Maru into fighting head on rather than turtling behind his defense.
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